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2 excellent semi finals but as usual this place reads like a Joe Duffy phone in. Absolute moaners 24/7. The game is not perfect and a couple of minor things need to change. Not a load of stuff. How about we recognise good games when they happen? There's a thought. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 16/07/2024 11:18:54 2559462 Link 4 |
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You'll never satisfy moaners. They're always looking for the negatives.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2150 - 16/07/2024 11:34:10 2559466 Link 1 |
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Absolutely right Flaker. Two cracking semi finals and two finalists outside the two traditional ones. Is this not the Eutopia that the fans were aiming for only a couple of years back? I guess some people are only happy when they are complaining.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 16/07/2024 11:34:24 2559467 Link 2 |
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I said at the start of the year the championship still has issues structure wise and it needs to merge the league and championship to have a longer season with more on the line throughout. Where teams on the same level are playing each other more often. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 16/07/2024 11:48:50 2559474 Link 1 |
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Agreed. Save it by doing what? Enforce the existing laws a bit harder and leave it alone. Less games is the only change I'd make.
johncreilly (Sligo) - Posts: 107 - 16/07/2024 11:53:38 2559478 Link 1 |
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I've enjoyed a lot of the intercounty games this year including some of the Tailteann cup games. Really enjoyed the Armagh Kerry game, great contest. Second half of the Galway Donegal game was a hard watch for the neutral I thought except for the excitement of the last few minutes as it "was close".
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 793 - 16/07/2024 11:55:13 2559480 Link 2 |
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Two good semi finals and hopefully a great final but rules changes are coming. Anyone who watched Derry v Kerry and thinks rules don't need changing need their head examined. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 16/07/2024 11:56:14 2559481 Link 0 |
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They werent bad but they werent brilliant either in fairness. Lots of lulls and back and forths. Galway defensively were immense especially when in closing stages they brought everyone back. Almost impossible for Donegal to break them down and only a score from the clouds from Langan got through them. It will be very interesting what Gavin and his committee do. This was a perfect game to examine it. If teams were forced to keep men up, say 3-4 players CANNOT enter their own 45, it means they cannot retreat into same space. Obviously they are simulating in test games at the moment but I wonder what can be uncovered here. Not a big fan of the over and back constantly and what makes a game lively is not just scores but teams pressing up and creating turnovers. We need to find a way to encourage both. Imagine if Galway couldnt retreat as much and instead of men blocking space, they were forced to play out further and harry the opposition to try and cause turnovers. I don't know what the 2pt long range score could do to the game. This is more than just tweaking. It could vastly change the game. shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 286 - 16/07/2024 12:40:38 2559491 Link 1 |
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No amount of rule changes are ever going to ensure that we see full blown entertainment for every minute of play that we see. Having two close semis with new teams seeking their first All Ireland's in modern time is plenty to be enthusiastic about. Beyond that is seeking the impossible really. Matches are subjective anyway as we've both proved with different takes on the Galway v Donegal clash so what are the chances we'll ever see a game that is flawless in the eyes of all fans?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 16/07/2024 12:49:28 2559498 Link 0 |
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2 good Semifinals and there is absolutely no guarantee that the Final will be good so don't be jumping the gun… What about the multitude of dismal matches ( 3 of the 4 Q-Finals were deplorable ) that went before , most of them played in front of one man and his dog..? Were they not supposed to be Championship games too…? Shows how deluded and thick some people are when they can condense the whole championship into the last 3 matches and completely forgot the dross that went before… The structure of the championship needs to change so that teams can't be loosing 2/3 matches and are still in the competition.. as for the rules I agree that minimal changes should be made….. Bottom line is football is becoming more unwatchable every year… getting more and more like a game of 'Donkey' all the time…..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 16/07/2024 13:01:55 2559501 Link 2 |
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Great to hear from one of the chief moaners. I won't debate anything with you because you i have said from the very start the structure is wrong as there are too many games crammed into a short period of time until we get to the business end where the best teams play each other. If you go back through this thread you never made the point when debating it for a long time. Now all you ever talk about is structures as if that was your overall point from the start. It wasn't. Nothing can make you happy. You are an armchair moaner. I have been heavily involved in our game from a young age and have coached at senior and intermediate level in the past 6 years since i retired. I attend multiple games every week at minor and senior grade and the standard isn't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be. In fact scoring averages at club level are way higher than they were back in the good old days. I am tired of the whinging. Go get involved, coach a team and play a different way if you care that much. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 16/07/2024 14:58:19 2559533 Link 3 |
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Look at the difference in the physicality between the 2 codes. Hard hits are an integral part of hurling and make it the spectacle it is. Football has been emasculated and is soft tippy toe stuff now. Remember the brilliant games between Meath and Cork of the late 80s and early 90s, the the Dublin/Meath matches and the physicality of the Down, Donegal and Derry sides of that time. Many of us can recall the shoulder charges before games started. It is very tame and boring now. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9785 - 16/07/2024 20:34:35 2559615 Link 1 |
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You should watch some of those games back and you might have a different opinion.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 16/07/2024 21:28:39 2559622 Link 1 |
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I guess it's a matter of taste. If you want swashbuckling hard hitting fare then look at the video of the tipp u21 game from back I'm the 90s that's doing the rounds again now.. My taste is more towards the skillful, athletic, brilliant stuff that I've seen this year.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 955 - 16/07/2024 21:49:52 2559625 Link 1 |
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Well if everyone as you say seems to think the standard of football is bad why do you think by saying it's not that you are right..? You can attend any amount of games you like that doesn't mean the game is in a good place… County football at the moment is woeful to watch..even the dogs in the street knows that and only the most totally delusional thinks or says otherwise…. All the top pundits and former players are saying it and I'd take their view over yours any day…. If you agree with the current way football is played then God help the poor team you are supposed to be coaching…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 17/07/2024 06:18:50 2559658 Link 0 |
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The difference between hurling and football as regards physical play is that the games are reffed totally differently… The hurling ref lets more shoulders and hits go whilst football refs are constantly blowing for the slightest infringement… Gough running in giving free for a tug on a jersey 60/70 metres away from the play is just complete nonsense. players can't even attempt to make a tackle anymore as the ref is sure to be seen running with his arm stuck up in the air… All these sort of things along with the dreadful tactics teams are using are turning people totally off going to Gaelic football as can be clearly seen .. Hurling at the moment is miles ahead of football as regards entertainment and in terms of the way it is refereed.,
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 17/07/2024 06:34:10 2559659 Link 0 |
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Is it shoulder charges before games or football you want? I can remember this also and maybe a smoke at halftime. Game has moved on for the better.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2150 - 17/07/2024 07:02:34 2559660 Link 0 |
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No need for silly stuff but a bit more contact like there is in hurling should be allowed
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 17/07/2024 08:58:45 2559672 Link 0 |
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There is no talking to you. Not every game is good but it isn't as bad as everyone says. My point is i attend far more games than you do and the games are way better than they used to be even 20 years ago. Especially at club level. Do scoring averages count for nothing?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 17/07/2024 09:43:47 2559681 Link 0 |
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The players skill levels are better now than ever before, and it would not take much to make it a better spectacle. Teams should not be permitted to bring everyone into their own half as is bringing all the top class forwards down in level due to lack of space available. Most games have turned into a combination of basketball and soccer now. I personally still find games enjoyable, but I would like the GAA to make some minor changes to return the game somewhat to the way it was meant to be played. hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 417 - 17/07/2024 10:12:07 2559687 Link 0 |