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Replying To bdbuddah: "That's right, when I made the same point to you on a different topic you expanded to say you had 1 good game in the group stages and 1 good game in the quarter final. That's only 2 games in a season.
By the way the above isn't a personal criticism of you, you can only play in the way that is in the interest of your team.
I know it would have been a big achievement winning the intermediate championship.
I don't think every game now is bad, we do get some good games.
I might be criticising modern styles of play in football but I'm still really into the GAA.
But unless you consider huge amounts of uncontested handpassing along with a good bit of uncontested foot passing positive (the stats on the original post speak for themselves) there is a huge negative issue in our game.
It is an issue that's talked about by GAA people for years.
To have a chance of getting a good game now it seems 2 teams have to approach the game in a positive way.
This more often than not will not happen as usually at least 1 of the teams in a match will decide it is in their interest to approach the game in a negative way.
Saying the games are good when the best few teams compete is not realistic as we can hardly have a 4 team All Ireland Championship.
Its fairly obvious that the only ideas you would regard as proper for a rule change proposal would be one that would only have a minor impact to the modern tactical approach managers take to the game." Jesus why do i have to keep repeating myself. Again i will point out the best games are at the business end of the season. Think of the semi finals and finals over the past 10 years? How many of them have been bad games? Very, very few. There have been absolute classics in semis and finals even in the past 5 years. That's because the top teams are going at it. Same in the league final this year.
The championship is not great until the semi finals because there are too many games that don't matter and there is no real hazards for the top teams. It's a restructure needed far more than some of the daft suggestions on here by people who don't care about the impact on players and coaches.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Jesus why do i have to keep repeating myself. Again i will point out the best games are at the business end of the season. Think of the semi finals and finals over the past 10 years? How many of them have been bad games? Very, very few. There have been absolute classics in semis and finals even in the past 5 years. That's because the top teams are going at it. Same in the league final this year.
The championship is not great until the semi finals because there are too many games that don't matter and there is no real hazards for the top teams. It's a restructure needed far more than some of the daft suggestions on here by people who don't care about the impact on players and coaches." The semi final I was at last year was a boring game with one team operating a thick blanket and the other playing keep ball.
I wouldn't have regarded the games I was at in division 2 this year as good games.
Saying that there are normally about 4 competitive teams in the all Ireland which if they happen to play each other may result in a good game isn't much of an argument saying the game is in a good state.
Your argument is just weak.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Jesus why do i have to keep repeating myself. Again i will point out the best games are at the business end of the season. Think of the semi finals and finals over the past 10 years? How many of them have been bad games? Very, very few. There have been absolute classics in semis and finals even in the past 5 years. That's because the top teams are going at it. Same in the league final this year.
The championship is not great until the semi finals because there are too many games that don't matter and there is no real hazards for the top teams. It's a restructure needed far more than some of the daft suggestions on here by people who don't care about the impact on players and coaches." So basically you are saying there is no real Championship until the quarterfinals or semifinals because of the nonsensical structure…? f Football truly is in a very bad place so…
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Replying To bdbuddah: "The semi final I was at last year was a boring game with one team operating a thick blanket and the other playing keep ball.
I wouldn't have regarded the games I was at in division 2 this year as good games.
Saying that there are normally about 4 competitive teams in the all Ireland which if they happen to play each other may result in a good game isn't much of an argument saying the game is in a good state.
Your argument is just weak." I was at some great league games. A restructuring is the place to start. People are never happy. Constant moaning.
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "So basically you are saying there is no real Championship until the quarterfinals or semifinals because of the nonsensical structure…? f Football truly is in a very bad place so…" You don't watch the league no?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 28/04/2024 12:29:01
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Replying To GreenandRed: "For every score, instead of a kickout from the team that's conceded, give the scoring team a sideline ball from outside the 45. Must go forwards. If they score direct from sideline the resultant sideline ball would be an indirect pass forward and reset. Might encourage more attacking play and not give the team that's conceded opportunity to slow down play from their own kickout after they've conceded." Aah, I recognise hearing about this idea today.
I hope you got home safe from the games today.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 28/04/2024 19:03:29
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Replying To bdbuddah: "The semi final I was at last year was a boring game with one team operating a thick blanket and the other playing keep ball.
I wouldn't have regarded the games I was at in division 2 this year as good games.
Saying that there are normally about 4 competitive teams in the all Ireland which if they happen to play each other may result in a good game isn't much of an argument saying the game is in a good state.
Your argument is just weak." I concur. The rules should be such that no team should be able to steer the play away from its entertaining natural flow.
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Replying To GreenMan1987: "Aah, I recognise hearing about this idea today.
I hope you got home safe from the games today." Safe and sound.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 29/04/2024 14:57:58
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Replying To brianb: "I think possession football and the blanket defence are two sides to the same coin. It really frustrates me when I see a team genuinely try to play football but after a turnover spend the next 5 mins chasing the ball against a team that aren't trying to do anything with it. It's almost pointless chasing it as the possession team will happily play it back to the goalkeeper and repeat. Limiting the possession time or options will stop this and favour an adventurous team more." In an unbroken sequence of possessions, what is a reasonable "keep ball" limit?
How about - the defence has 20 seconds to move the ball beyond the defensive 45; 20 seconds more to beyond the attacking 45; and a final 20 seconds to register a score, wide or turnover.
The "20 Seconds Rule" could be "unscientific", not to overburden the ref, who could just make a "best judgement call" in determining if the team in possession is 'generally' moving the ball forward and attempting a score within each time limit.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2887 - 29/04/2024 18:48:22
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Replying To omahant: "In an unbroken sequence of possessions, what is a reasonable "keep ball" limit?
How about - the defence has 20 seconds to move the ball beyond the defensive 45; 20 seconds more to beyond the attacking 45; and a final 20 seconds to register a score, wide or turnover.
The "20 Seconds Rule" could be "unscientific", not to overburden the ref, who could just make a "best judgement call" in determining if the team in possession is 'generally' moving the ball forward and attempting a score within each time limit." Can you please take a break from posting?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1950 - 29/04/2024 22:03:36
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Replying To omahant: "In an unbroken sequence of possessions, what is a reasonable "keep ball" limit?
How about - the defence has 20 seconds to move the ball beyond the defensive 45; 20 seconds more to beyond the attacking 45; and a final 20 seconds to register a score, wide or turnover.
The "20 Seconds Rule" could be "unscientific", not to overburden the ref, who could just make a "best judgement call" in determining if the team in possession is 'generally' moving the ball forward and attempting a score within each time limit." So the defending team can pack their defence past their 45 and prevent the opposition from getting into their 45 within 40 seconds. If that fails they have 20 seconds to give a scoreable free away, make scoring difficult or wait for a turnover after the 20 seconds if the other team doesn't attempt a score. How would that improve Gaelic Football?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 29/04/2024 22:18:15
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Replying To GreenandRed: "So the defending team can pack their defence past their 45 and prevent the opposition from getting into their 45 within 40 seconds. If that fails they have 20 seconds to give a scoreable free away, make scoring difficult or wait for a turnover after the 20 seconds if the other team doesn't attempt a score. How would that improve Gaelic Football?" There is no point arguing with the same 3 or 4 lads that keep backing each other up and making mad suggestions. It's laughable that they suggest this stuff and can't see a problem straight away.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 29/04/2024 23:01:31
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The main problem with modern day football is there is a lack of space for forwards inside the attacking area. Teams pack their defences so the attacking team handpass around and probe for an opening. So any possible solutions should be aimed at creating space inside where possible. I have no doubt if there were more space inside teams would kick the ball a lot more and the game would be more free flowing and entertaining as a result.
In my opinion the easiest solution to implement as a starting point would be to go to 13 aside. I don't really see any downsides to this to be honest. Thoughts?
tribesmen (Galway) - Posts: 150 - 30/04/2024 04:41:25
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Replying To tribesmen: "The main problem with modern day football is there is a lack of space for forwards inside the attacking area. Teams pack their defences so the attacking team handpass around and probe for an opening. So any possible solutions should be aimed at creating space inside where possible. I have no doubt if there were more space inside teams would kick the ball a lot more and the game would be more free flowing and entertaining as a result.
In my opinion the easiest solution to implement as a starting point would be to go to 13 aside. I don't really see any downsides to this to be honest. Thoughts?" Agree, said the same in older post, 13 aside will create more space and the main thing is any change cannot add extra workloads for the Referees.
I would also add go 13 aside and maximum of only 3 subs allowed in normal time which would be more advantageous to weaker counties who don't have the same strength and depth as your Dublins and Kerry's.
Also limit panels sizes to 19 (6 subs) to reduce costs.
Award 5 points for a goal
Award 2 points for point from play kicked outside the 45
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Replying To TheFlaker: "There is no point arguing with the same 3 or 4 lads that keep backing each other up and making mad suggestions. It's laughable that they suggest this stuff and can't see a problem straight away." Is it really you talking about how it is hard to argue with some people?
The same man who comes back with the same basic response every time people make different points related to negative play in the game at present, be they statistics at the start of this topic regarding uncontested passing (mostly handpassing)/ defensive-possession tactics in the club game/ defensive-possession tactics in the county game/ the silence of the crowd during bouts of uncontested handpassing/ negative opinions of the general public and GAA people towards modern possession/ defensive tactics etc- THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW GOOD GAMES BETWEEN THE TOP FEW COUNTIES IN THE LAST 4 OF THE ALL IRELAND IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THIS SHOWS I'M RIGHT!
I have not went out here to back anyone up.
If you actually look I have mostly tended to agree with people who point out that the game has major issues with possession/ defensive tactics but disagreed with rule change suggestions made which seem completed or hard to implement.
What is the case is just lots of people feel the game has major issues due to the modern styles of play and would like to see us move away from this (as the Cork GAA CEO talked about overwhelming desire for change) and this has prompted the GAA president has set up a committee to tackle this.
That's why people are interested in talking about possible changes.
You are happy with the style of the game, fair enough but most aren't and are happy to talk about ideas.
It's fairly obvious that what bothers you if people mention ideas isn't whether they are really workable more that the GAA might get serious about pushing the game away from possession/ defensive tactics.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Is it really you talking about how it is hard to argue with some people?
The same man who comes back with the same basic response every time people make different points related to negative play in the game at present, be they statistics at the start of this topic regarding uncontested passing (mostly handpassing)/ defensive-possession tactics in the club game/ defensive-possession tactics in the county game/ the silence of the crowd during bouts of uncontested handpassing/ negative opinions of the general public and GAA people towards modern possession/ defensive tactics etc- THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW GOOD GAMES BETWEEN THE TOP FEW COUNTIES IN THE LAST 4 OF THE ALL IRELAND IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THIS SHOWS I'M RIGHT!
I have not went out here to back anyone up.
If you actually look I have mostly tended to agree with people who point out that the game has major issues with possession/ defensive tactics but disagreed with rule change suggestions made which seem completed or hard to implement.
What is the case is just lots of people feel the game has major issues due to the modern styles of play and would like to see us move away from this (as the Cork GAA CEO talked about overwhelming desire for change) and this has prompted the GAA president has set up a committee to tackle this.
That's why people are interested in talking about possible changes.
You are happy with the style of the game, fair enough but most aren't and are happy to talk about ideas.
It's fairly obvious that what bothers you if people mention ideas isn't whether they are really workable more that the GAA might get serious about pushing the game away from possession/ defensive tactics." You ignore the other poster who argues against pointing out why one of the suggestions is silly. I keep repeating myself. All for change when it makes sense. But i am not seeing much sense talked here for the most part.
Just a load of mad suggestions. 13 a side is the only obvious one that has no real knock on effect. But that also brings problems within teams and squads, especially at club level.
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The game is dying a slow death. It will not be saved by anyone currently involved in the top level of the GAA
FallenStar (Galway) - Posts: 423 - 30/04/2024 22:29:47
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Is it really you talking about how it is hard to argue with some people?
The same man who comes back with the same basic response every time people make different points related to negative play in the game at present, be they statistics at the start of this topic regarding uncontested passing (mostly handpassing)/ defensive-possession tactics in the club game/ defensive-possession tactics in the county game/ the silence of the crowd during bouts of uncontested handpassing/ negative opinions of the general public and GAA people towards modern possession/ defensive tactics etc- THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW GOOD GAMES BETWEEN THE TOP FEW COUNTIES IN THE LAST 4 OF THE ALL IRELAND IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THIS SHOWS I'M RIGHT!
I have not went out here to back anyone up.
If you actually look I have mostly tended to agree with people who point out that the game has major issues with possession/ defensive tactics but disagreed with rule change suggestions made which seem completed or hard to implement.
What is the case is just lots of people feel the game has major issues due to the modern styles of play and would like to see us move away from this (as the Cork GAA CEO talked about overwhelming desire for change) and this has prompted the GAA president has set up a committee to tackle this.
That's why people are interested in talking about possible changes.
You are happy with the style of the game, fair enough but most aren't and are happy to talk about ideas.
It's fairly obvious that what bothers you if people mention ideas isn't whether they are really workable more that the GAA might get serious about pushing the game away from possession/ defensive tactics." Suppose we came up with 10 brainstorming ideas but only one was the "magic bullet" - wouldn't that be all we need.
I had two main ideas that didn't get much support here - but that's OK - let's keep thinking and not be afraid to put something else out there.
Again, my two main ideas:
1) Offside Rule - No more than 4-on-4 plus the defending goalkeeper inside the 45, when the ball ENTERS in an attacking direction. After the ball enters, there is no player limit until the defence moves the ball out again to between the 45s, which reinstates the "no more than 4-on-4" again. Violation is a free kick, in or out, at the 20.
2) Two-Zone Forward Kick Pass Requirement - The defence is required to always make a "two-zone forward kick pass" EITHER from Zone 1 (behind defensive 45) to Zone 3 (between the 65s); OR from Zone 2 (behind defensive 65) to Zone 4 (beyond attacking 65). Violation is a free kick at midfield.
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I'd like to see three things tried ,4 attackers having to remain inside the attacking 45,would do away with mass defending.increase the value of a goal to 4 points,surely would make teams more attack minded.last one get rid of the advanced mark,no real skill in this,catching a ball that is kicked 20 meters..one other I think might improve matters,kick outs have to go beyond the 45..with my previous point of attackers having to stay inside 45 it would once again free up plenty of space..here's hoping that this football committee that has been set up can come up with something..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2378 - 01/05/2024 00:21:19
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You ignore the other poster who argues against pointing out why one of the suggestions is silly. I keep repeating myself. All for change when it makes sense. But i am not seeing much sense talked here for the most part.
Just a load of mad suggestions. 13 a side is the only obvious one that has no real knock on effect. But that also brings problems within teams and squads, especially at club level." What problems do you think 13 aside would bring at club level? If anything I think it would help clubs with a smaller pick
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