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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Clongowes College won a Leinster schools title in the recent past, Irish Times did a feature on the squad 10 years later, not one playing rugby for any club and staggeringly for quite a number of players the schools final was their last ever game to play. That speaks volumes. All sports suffer a drop off in teenage years but not to that extent."
They be too busy running the country to play rugby after school!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 16/10/2023 14:26:07    2508658

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Replying To jobber:  "Westmeath has 47 GAA clubs and 3 Rugby clubs for the Rangerover types,Wannabies and Cranberry fans."
Yeah cliched bull which shows your ignorance and arrogance.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 16/10/2023 14:39:28    2508661

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yes that has happened and its similar with many other sports."
Don't agree with that. Sure there's a drop off in every sport when lads reach a certain age just not the same way as I've seen it in the rugby. That Clongowes example above is similar to a few schools I would know of. Yes you might get one or two who keep it up but that's it. For the most part once they finish school they're forgotten about and they forget about rugby.

That being said it is definitely elitist in the most part and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. But it has no real affect on the GAA and visa versa so there's no need for either side to worry.

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 54 - 16/10/2023 15:00:26    2508668

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Good point. FAI wouldn't get that for a final unless it was freebies as it is."
Over 38,000 at the Cup Final in 2021 between Bohs and Pat's.

The same 2 teams in it this year and they're going to go over that this time and with hopefully a different result on the pitch.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 16/10/2023 15:22:33    2508675

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yes that has happened and its similar with many other sports."
No it hasn't, there's never been a minor All Ireland team where none of the players is playing ten years later or the minor final was their last ever game. Nonsense

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 16/10/2023 16:14:19    2508684

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No.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 974 - 16/10/2023 16:44:31    2508695

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "It's allowed get like that because it works really for the provincial and national team. The Leinster senior cup is taken incredibly seriously and the level of coaching is of a very high standard and acts as feeder to the provincial academy squads and the under age teams. Clubs just don't have the same level of coaching as the schools do.

Around the start of professional rugby and for a few years after the club scene was very vibrant particularly in Limerick. There was loads of TV attention with Shannon, garryowen and young munsters going at it. But now the club game is completely off the radar. The professional game only partially needs the club game. The media attention is all over the provinces and the international team. That's a pity for the club game.

Rugby in Ireland is doing very well at provincial and international level. Ignoring the gaa it helps them that soccer is so poor at present. The only proper professional league is the rugby championship. The LOI is simply not a threat. The national soccer team also being poor helps. Soccer is the sport of the world and will take the media attention in most countries.

Rugby overall is hardly that vibrant. Scotland have no real feeder with their underage teams very poor. The Welsh union is a mess. 3 big clubs went belly up in England and there's hardly a word about it. Australia were awful in this world cup and even new Zealand's underage has deteriorated. The seedings for the tournament were a joke with the best 4 teams meeting in the quarters. if Ireland keep the show on the road they'll be there thereabouts in 4 years. There's just not enough competition in the game for this not to be the case."
Good post, club rugby went through bad spell over last number of years, however, provinical sides have realised this and more acadamy players are now playing for AIL sides, Leinster ect have realised some players are late developers and clubs will benefit from this, players are made aware of this and realise there is a way back to the top if they are good enough. World wide rugby is going through tough times as you set out and only Ireland and France seem to be on solid ground. I think all team sports suffer from the lack of real competition outside the top 8/10 elites most are there just for the love of the sport or a chance to make a decent living. GAA has nothing to fear from rugby and visa versa. Great to see the big support the rugby team got across all walks of life. Viewing figures for SA hit 1.4m, another .25k streemed. Imagine it was higher still for NZ game. No matter the sport the majority of Irish people will always get behind the green jersey.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 16/10/2023 16:53:44    2508697

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Over 38,000 at the Cup Final in 2021 between Bohs and Pat's.

The same 2 teams in it this year and they're going to go over that this time and with hopefully a different result on the pitch."
Because most of the crowd get in for nothing. Will there be another display of holloganism this time? Bohs fans attacked Pats supporters including children in pubs the last time. firing Halloween fireworks. Proper s**m. Surprised IRFU let them back near the place.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 16/10/2023 16:53:49    2508698

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It doesnt make the sport elitist though. Yes more who go to fee paying schools primarily the 2 in Cork and then about 6/7 schools in leinster turn pro but that doesnt mean the sport is elitist.
there is plenty who attend these schools on scholarships or partial funded by others which also must be taken account of."
It's not a dig at rugby, but it's just the way it's structured, whether by accident or design.
It's not just more, it's emphatically more. I put a stat up in a previous conversation on this that you were something like 30 times more likely to play for Ireland if you went to private school. That's a staggering number.
Yes, it's because those schools employ full-time rugby coaches, but therein lies the issue. If you can afford to go to one of those schools you will have a huge advantage. That does make it elitist, as the same benefit is not available to the majority of those who can't afford it.
Scholarships make up only a fraction of the students attending these schools, so that's not really a leveller at all.
I enjoy rugby and have been to plenty Connacht games. At the same time, I can easily see that there is an element of elitism in the sport due to how it's structured from a developmental point of view.
I'm sure the IRFU are working to address this, but it's the lay of the land currently.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 16/10/2023 17:07:38    2508703

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yes that has happened and its similar with many other sports."
What sports? Doesn't happen with GAA or Soccer.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 16/10/2023 17:07:48    2508704

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My experience of both Gaa and rugby is that the IRFU are getting on with their own business and couldn't care less about the what the GAA or FAI are at.
The FAI are obviously a mess whilst the GAA are obsessed with every other sport taking their mantle. They should concentrate on making their product more attractive instead of worrying about other sports and blaming them for their own failures.
My experience of rugby is that they couldn't care less where you come from or what school you went to. The pathway to the top is currently heavily influenced by the schools but this is because they have had the structures in place for years. Its been a ready made production line paid for by the schools themselves.
Of course they're trying to broaden the base. They recognise that there is talent outside of these schools. They have the structures in place to identify talent no matter where you're from. This will bear fruit in years to come.Regardless of the result against NZ, it's fair to say that they are making the most of their player pool. There will be more Tadhg Furlongs.
This shouldnt be seen as a threat by the GAA. Let's put it this way, there are plenty of great footballers that might not like the physical aspect of rugby! Their dislike of this aspect is usually defended by trotting out lazy sterotypes. A case of protesting too much.
Rugby recognises that it may not be for everyone. If you are made for it you'll stick at it and you either have it or you don't. Ultimately a child will decide for themselves. They may have dreams of being the next Gary Ringrose until they're put on their back in a tackle.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 16/10/2023 19:33:18    2508731

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Don't understand this animosity towards rugby. Do rugby supporters demonstrate similar dislike to GAA? I don't think so! Probably because they are performing with a fine team in an international arena,and in a sport that's thriving, whilst GAA supporters still whine about demographics and where they went to school . I enjoy watching all sports and glad that rugby is one of them. Whether Keith Earls is from Moyross or Timbuktu has no relevance to me, as long as he plays well!"
Don't know what it's like in Cork but here in galway there's plenty of animosity towards the GAA,,, in the city anyways, most of which comes from people who've never even watched a game, strangely enough,, you can be sure rugby people are no angels when it comes to dissing other sports. Far from it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/10/2023 19:38:39    2508732

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Because most of the crowd get in for nothing. Will there be another display of holloganism this time? Bohs fans attacked Pats supporters including children in pubs the last time. firing Halloween fireworks. Proper s**m. Surprised IRFU let them back near the place."
Nothing to do with free tickets, this year is heading for north of 40k tickets sold. Don't know where your going with 'most of the crowd getting in for nothing', that's just lying.

20 young fellas throwining stuff outside a pub, 37,800 people were not.

IRFU have no say in where the FAI Cup Final is played.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 16/10/2023 21:12:29    2508745

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yeah cliched bull which shows your ignorance and arrogance."
Jobber actually lives in Co. Westmeath, so he knows the respective club numbers. There's a few Range Rovers there too. It's not arrogance. You wouldn't know much about the Midlands.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 16/10/2023 21:34:13    2508747

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "It's not a dig at rugby, but it's just the way it's structured, whether by accident or design.
It's not just more, it's emphatically more. I put a stat up in a previous conversation on this that you were something like 30 times more likely to play for Ireland if you went to private school. That's a staggering number.
Yes, it's because those schools employ full-time rugby coaches, but therein lies the issue. If you can afford to go to one of those schools you will have a huge advantage. That does make it elitist, as the same benefit is not available to the majority of those who can't afford it.
Scholarships make up only a fraction of the students attending these schools, so that's not really a leveller at all.
I enjoy rugby and have been to plenty Connacht games. At the same time, I can easily see that there is an element of elitism in the sport due to how it's structured from a developmental point of view.
I'm sure the IRFU are working to address this, but it's the lay of the land currently."
It must be hard going in Rugby clubs where like GAA you have die hard coaches down on a sunday morning coaching kids from Infants upwards only for the the kid go off play schools rugby. Is this not killing clubs?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 16/10/2023 23:30:10    2508751

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "No it hasn't, there's never been a minor All Ireland team where none of the players is playing ten years later or the minor final was their last ever game. Nonsense"
Are a minor all ireland winning team really a fair comparison to 1 individual school team?
Not fs9e or equal comparison at all

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 17/10/2023 01:59:25    2508756

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "What sports? Doesn't happen with GAA or Soccer."
Loads of sports.
It's far from a rugby issue. All studies paint a different picture to what people here are painting to attack rugby
https://www.offtheball.com/other-sports/grassroots-sports-in-ireland-the-participation-problem-1141526

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 17/10/2023 02:01:43    2508757

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Loads of sports.
It's far from a rugby issue. All studies paint a different picture to what people here are painting to attack rugby
https://www.offtheball.com/other-sports/grassroots-sports-in-ireland-the-participation-problem-1141526"
Jesus you would argue black is white. It isn't loads of sports. This thread is about rugby being a threat to GAA. I said dropout doesn't happen in GAA and soccer like it does in rugby and you throw a study at me that is primarily focused on female participation dropout which is a whole other issue. I am not one of those trying to attack rugby, I love rugby, but you are just throwing out random stuff here to try and defend the sport.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 17/10/2023 09:55:54    2508764

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Are a minor all ireland winning team really a fair comparison to 1 individual school team?
Not fs9e or equal comparison at all"
It's the closest comparison you will get of the GAA and rugby for u18. There's schools involved in the senior cups who would spend more money and train more tham some intercounty minor teams.

Anyone that thinks the drop off rate in GAA is similar to rugby needs their head examined. I love both and don't see either being any sort of threat to the other. Both operate in mostly separate worlds with minimal enough crossover ( I know there is some crossover, that's why I said "minimal" just before anyone gets their knickers in a twist).

Don't go spreading nonsense and lies just because you don't agree with something.

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 54 - 17/10/2023 11:55:15    2508799

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Jesus you would argue black is white. It isn't loads of sports. This thread is about rugby being a threat to GAA. I said dropout doesn't happen in GAA and soccer like it does in rugby and you throw a study at me that is primarily focused on female participation dropout which is a whole other issue. I am not one of those trying to attack rugby, I love rugby, but you are just throwing out random stuff here to try and defend the sport."
Do you have anything to back up this statement that is pretty sweeping?
Dropout in GAA and soccer doesnt happen like it does in rugby. Prove it?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 17/10/2023 11:58:19    2508801

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