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Yea alot of different clubs in same catchment, as i said i want the best opportunity for my lads, they have the talent at this age and as pointed out who knows what may happen in the future but surely with better training and playing at a higher level will benefit them?
Pearse85 (Antrim) - Posts: 7 - 24/08/2023 16:23:38 2502110 Link 0 |
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My understanding of the parish rule currently is that a child can play Go Games (currently U11 in most counties but U12 in some counties) wherever they want but once they play for a club at competitive level i.e U13 it binds them to the club and a transfer is needed. No transfer needed if they have only played Go Games prior to U13. I agree it can be more difficult for children from smaller clubs to play with county teams but with the introduction of academies this has improved their chances. I think it is better for kids to play with their own friends and represent their own area at least until they get to adult level. Getting the children into strong GAA schools is another way of offsetting any perceived disadvantage as they should get alot of coaching from the schools also. journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 117 - 24/08/2023 16:58:29 2502116 Link 0 |
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Are some of their friends from school hurling with some of these other clubs?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 24/08/2023 17:32:47 2502124 Link 0 |
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I have no loyalty to my local club, it is not like they showed loyalty to me either, I remember as a teen I was subbed off in a game in the first half for someone who hadn't been to training the week before. What is worse is that the player wasn't even from the area, he was a school friend of one of our players. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 227 - 24/08/2023 18:45:20 2502135 Link 0 |
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Sure it might benefit them but what about the club you are thinking of leaving? Your local club is the hub of any community no matter what division and no player is bigger than the club no matter how good they are. It will open a can of worms later in life if you upped sticks and went somewhere else for glory. Your club is your identity and should be for life.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2023 - 24/08/2023 20:53:21 2502140 Link 1 |
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Ah shucks, he said modestly :) A player needs an official transfer once he's taken part in an officially-organised match for his club at U12 level or older. Whether or not he's entitled to a transfer, and what choice of clubs he might be allowed to transfer into, depends on County Bye Law as well as general rule. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2262 - 24/08/2023 20:58:20 2502141 Link 0 |
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"You want the best opportunity for your lads" I get that I do. But not the best opportunity for your club? If your lads are so good then surely the best thing for your club is to keep them there and let them help and drive the club and community to success amongst their friends as team mates. Is there no loyalty to the club or community here? No want for the club to succeed? Or is it all about pushing for the glory of having the sons playing inter county hurling for Antrim. If they are good enough they will play for Antrim. Richie Hogan made his debut for Danesfort (who I believe were junior grade for decades) in the Kilkenny junior championship and has won a Kilkenny club junior, Leinster club junior, all Ireland club junior, Kilkenny intermediate championship. He was selected for a debut for Kilkenny seniors as a junior player. If they are not happy with the club then that's one thing to consider. If you are not happy with the club but they are, and are enjoying their hurling and having fun then leave them there. leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 24/08/2023 22:03:14 2502152 Link 0 |
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From club perspective, a few things from experience- out club struggled at underage for about 10 years. Senior was lower leagues. Decent players got onto Development teams, they opted to transfer out to chase medals with bigger clubs. DelganyUpper (Tyrone) - Posts: 17 - 24/08/2023 22:35:11 2502157 Link 0 |
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Are the lads happy playing where they are with their mates? Would moving affect the friendships they have built? I think at that age, they need to develop in more ways than just sport. My own lads have been playing with the same group since u6 and the friends and bonds they have made will last for life, on and off the field. As plenty have said, there is underage opportunities in counties now with development panels from u14. If they are in that system and as good as you say, they will be brought through. And who knows, when they get to 18/20 the hurl or O Neills might be put to one side when young ladies start to catch the eye or the few pints on a Saturday night might be more appealing!! Good luck to them whatever solution ye come up with D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 151 - 25/08/2023 09:26:31 2502174 Link 2 |
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Just as an aside there is a lad who recently moved into our village who has played u12 for his old club earlier this year. Would he be able to transfer to our club as he is now living permanently in the village with his mother?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 25/08/2023 12:37:11 2502209 Link 0 |
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Just as an aside there is a lad who recently moved into our village who has played u12 for his old club earlier this year. Would he be able to transfer to our club as he is now living permanently in the village with his mother?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 25/08/2023 12:43:20 2502213 Link 0 |
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I would be very worried for your boys. I have seen so many parents like you who think their sons are world beaters just because they are that bit better/bigger/stronger than their counterparts. In some cases the early promise does hold through and the players make it at a high level. But in many cases others catch up and whilst it is difficult for these guys to accept that they are no longer the king of the castle, where I have seen it hurt most is when there is an overly biased parent. Because what happens in that case is that counterparts ( and their parents) actually delight in the fall from grace as some sort of karma for the arrogance of the parent.. I've seen this repeatedly ...it happens. I'm not saying that you are biased, but the very fact that you have initiated this thread would suggest to me that there is at least a little bit of arrogance. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 846 - 25/08/2023 16:15:18 2502249 Link 0 |
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Yes he's living in the area. That's the natural reason transfers are allowed for lads moving. Not moving because their own club are weak or offered money by huge Dublin club like Kilmacud
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1149 - 25/08/2023 20:27:09 2502266 Link 0 |
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I agree with you. I think the father has his mind made up that the will move these kids to another club and was hoping that he would get the seal of approval from this forum which thankfully hasn't happened. The father should try and make the underage structure better within the club. If he is not coaching Maybe he can do a bit of fundraising for the club and bring these lads to a game in Croker, organise a challenge with another club 40 miles away. These trips will bond the lads and keep them together.They are kids and let them enjoy their youth. In a survey carried out once by the GAA the biggest obstacle coaching officer's have at club level are parents.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1684 - 26/08/2023 08:04:05 2502283 Link 0 |
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That last line is definitely true in my limited experience.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 26/08/2023 13:17:01 2502312 Link 0 |
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Reading the piece in the Irish Times today with David Clifford. His club were junior, hadn't a player play for the county for 50 years. Now they have the best player in Ireland and another one probably in the top 10 players. Club is playing intermediate for first time, have gone up to Division 2 this year without the 2 lads playing in the league. What would have happened if their parents said 10 or 12 years ago they were bringing them into Killarney to play?? If the numbers are there and the underage structure is put in place and people work to develop them, great things can happen. Imagine how good the people of Fossa feel living in these times! D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 151 - 26/08/2023 13:40:57 2502318 Link 0 |
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It sounds like you are living in an urban area, so I presume Belfast? I dont know anything about Antrim hurling except that the Glens is the hurling heartland. Probably difficult enough to catch the eye if playing with a weak city club , the bias "what would they know about hurling?" may prevail. If your boys are in the catchment area of clubs with better structures for developing hurlers then I say check out what is possible and make the transfer if it's feasible and in their long term interests.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1908 - 26/08/2023 17:29:59 2502340 Link 1 |
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Arrogance for wanting the best outcome for my kids? No bother. Pearse85 (Antrim) - Posts: 7 - 26/08/2023 18:16:18 2502345 Link 0 |
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If i do this im being selfish, self centred etc according to posters. As an example the u15 team has struggled very badly the last couple of years and as a result id say 5 or 6 of the stronger players have all left for different sports be it boxing or soccer. I was simply asking a question and seeking opinions, i knew it would of been a touchy subject. Pearse85 (Antrim) - Posts: 7 - 26/08/2023 18:20:43 2502346 Link 0 |
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Out of complete curiosity have your kids ever mentioned the idea of moving to another club? I completely understand that most parents want what's best for their kids and for their future but if they are happy playing locally with their friends that to me would be the most important thing at that age.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1928 - 26/08/2023 21:43:36 2502381 Link 0 |