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Replying To realdub: "Let's hope he tries something different, for all our sakes :D" Look no further than your own county buddy...
Football has changed so change the record for god sake and move on!
No-one better than Dublin to play defensive I'd actually go as far as saying that your one of the most defensive teams in the country tbh
If the all ireland involved anyone else this year especially ulster teams there wuda been uproar but when the golden Boys play defensive not a word said...
letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 153 - 17/08/2023 16:10:39
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Replying To Saynothing: "Great news for Donegal, you'll enjoy your holiday even more now. I'd have liked Jimmy, Enda Mc Ginley and Stephen O Neill in the Tyrone job but there seems to be a closed shop in Tyrone county board." I'd love if he was officially announced tomorrow, nicely coinciding with the start of our club championships. It would give everyone in the county a massive boost and give every player additional motivation to show well.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9189 - 17/08/2023 16:10:50
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "He's much blamed for things he had no part in!
2011 was a strange affair, and followed one of the most enthralling games I've watched when Donegal beat Kildare in the previous game. He spotted weaknesses in Dublin and almost made them pay price, Ironically sending off of Connolly may have opened up space that Dublin could exploit.
2014 has become stuff of legend. Dublin's failure to make dominance on scoreboard count was matched by Donegal ruthlessness in counter attack. Talking to some people you'd think Donegal won that by 0 - 7 to 0 - 6!
Probably did Dubs another favour that year. Be good to see back in my view." 100%
letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 153 - 17/08/2023 16:13:51
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "he was a blight on our great game, a blight it still has not recovered from, the thing is dublin cracked that game plan, its dated now, past its sell by date, while he might win ulster dublin and kerry have its measure" No he wasn't.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 17/08/2023 16:18:30
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Thank you Barney for probably the most insightful post I think I've read surrounding Jim's potential return.
I cannot stand the lazy, stupid analysis which seeks to attribute blame to McGuinness when it comes to discussing how football was played for a decade. Jim is a deep thinker, and devised a hitherto unseen set of tactics which suited his playing personnel. Ulster titles and an All Ireland duly followed.
Other teams aped his template. Noone had a gun to these coaches heads forcing them to do it.
It beggars belief that people seem to genuinely think Jim would come back in and try the same thing again. If you listen to the man, or read his articles, it's clear that he's as clued in to the current game as he ever was. But yeah, roll out the blanket and see if it works like it did over a decade ago. Jesus Chist Almighty...
If Jim comes back there are a few things which will definitely happen. Donegal will be fitter, stronger & perhaps most importantly of all will play with an intensity and an edge which has been lacking for a few years. Even if that doesn't lead to success in terms of silverware, I'll be happy enough as it will mean a squad of men will represent our county hokding nothing back." If he does come back Lockjaw Donegal will be much better in every way than they are now. He is an absolute exceptional football man.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 17/08/2023 16:21:25
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Derry will be going for their first 3 in a row next year, Jim has his work cut out. I am glad that Dooher and Logan stayed on in Tyrone so that makes it more likely that Derry will win Ulster. It could end up another Derry v Armagh final unless they meet in the semi.
PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 227 - 17/08/2023 16:47:08
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Replying To Joxer: "That 2011 semi. Jzis :). Alan Brogan's quote about the start of the game.
"Then, the ball is tossed in the air by Maurice Deegan and as I watch it fall, I see Mark McHugh, Christy Toye and Frank McGlynn in my peripheral vision all sprinting from the Donegal half-forward line into their defence, completely ignoring the ball."
I'm sure he will come with different ideas. If he doesn't then let's hope they don't draw Derry in Ulster." Change the record weren't you at the all ireland final where swashbuckling dublin had 15 men behind the ball??
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 924 - 17/08/2023 17:48:00
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "he was a blight on our great game, a blight it still has not recovered from, the thing is dublin cracked that game plan, its dated now, past its sell by date, while he might win ulster dublin and kerry have its measure" Wexford? Enough said.
A laughing stock even in the small ball these days.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 817 - 17/08/2023 17:57:15
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "he was a blight on our great game, a blight it still has not recovered from, the thing is dublin cracked that game plan, its dated now, past its sell by date, while he might win ulster dublin and kerry have its measure" You know your in trouble when someone from Wexford is lecturing us in Gaelic football advice?
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 301 - 17/08/2023 18:21:41
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It's absolutely hilarious the rubbish spouted about McGuinness and Donegal under him. They were ultra defensive yes in the semi final in 2011 but if anyone had put forward the idea that they would be in a tight game with Dublin to make a final at the start of 2011 you would have been laughed out the door into the madhouse.
In 2012 they were still defensive but were far more adventurous breaking forward at speed. They put up some big scores and were most deserving winners that year. They were also excellent in 2014, just didn't perform in the final. A poor final it was. McGuinness didn't destroy football. He wasn't even the first manager to bring in a defensive system. Club managers trying to copy county managers tactics is the fault of the club manager. Nobody else. Tired of hearing lazy comments on that. McGuinnness has a massive job on his hands. If he gets them back to even a semi final in the next 2 years it would be a big achievement in my opinion but I wouldn't put it past him. He doesn't need to go back. But is willing to put his head on the block for the keyboard warriors to have a pop at him from their couches.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7912 - 17/08/2023 19:09:55
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I hope Jim is back in, fingers crossed, I have to laugh at all the bs about Jimmy ruining football,
one thing I would respond to though is the narrative that Jim had such a great bunch of players when he took the job in 2010, we were nowhere back then, ranked 19th in the country, within 2 years most of that same squad with the injection of Jim's u21 panel had landed the Sam Maguire for Tir Chonaill,
if Jim is back as manager I have no doubt he will get more out of the payers we have and bring in others who have taken a step back or been overlooked even, the man is a footballing genius imo and it will give this county a great lift if we hear we have the Messiah back in charge. Can he coax Murph back in at 14 for a few more years? that's the hope too among many of us.
I'm away to light a few candles and say a few prayers!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2777 - 17/08/2023 19:43:14
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He destroyed the game last time time around, what can he do this time.
jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 410 - 17/08/2023 20:04:02
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All teams copied his style including kerry and dublin
highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 100 - 18/08/2023 01:53:59
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Replying To letterkennyGuy: "Look no further than your own county buddy...
Football has changed so change the record for god sake and move on!
No-one better than Dublin to play defensive I'd actually go as far as saying that your one of the most defensive teams in the country tbh
If the all ireland involved anyone else this year especially ulster teams there wuda been uproar but when the golden Boys play defensive not a word said..." Ah relax there now, I was having a laugh.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8603 - 18/08/2023 08:53:17
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I'd love if he was officially announced tomorrow, nicely coinciding with the start of our club championships. It would give everyone in the county a massive boost and give every player additional motivation to show well." Only time will tell if he can be as successful again Lockjaw - but regardless of what happens in the years to come, I would imagine that him coming back into the role will give a massive boost to Donegal football at a time that it probably needs it - given the tribulations of the past year.
The best of luck to ye!
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 18/08/2023 09:05:00
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If Jimmy comes back its R.I.P. for Gaelic Football
jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 410 - 18/08/2023 09:09:30
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "he was a blight on our great game, a blight it still has not recovered from, the thing is dublin cracked that game plan, its dated now, past its sell by date, while he might win ulster dublin and kerry have its measure" That's pretty lazy analysis. He devised a system to get the most out of the players he had and make then hard to beat. When he realised he had better ballers than he thought, or maybe coached them up to be better, they played a lightning quick transition game that was good on the eye.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 18/08/2023 10:33:51
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Replying To TheFlaker: "It's absolutely hilarious the rubbish spouted about McGuinness and Donegal under him. They were ultra defensive yes in the semi final in 2011 but if anyone had put forward the idea that they would be in a tight game with Dublin to make a final at the start of 2011 you would have been laughed out the door into the madhouse.
In 2012 they were still defensive but were far more adventurous breaking forward at speed. They put up some big scores and were most deserving winners that year. They were also excellent in 2014, just didn't perform in the final. A poor final it was. McGuinness didn't destroy football. He wasn't even the first manager to bring in a defensive system. Club managers trying to copy county managers tactics is the fault of the club manager. Nobody else. Tired of hearing lazy comments on that. McGuinnness has a massive job on his hands. If he gets them back to even a semi final in the next 2 years it would be a big achievement in my opinion but I wouldn't put it past him. He doesn't need to go back. But is willing to put his head on the block for the keyboard warriors to have a pop at him from their couches." Absolutely correct on all fronts, the lazy uninformed snipes are the easy option for many posters.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1322 - 18/08/2023 10:38:33
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McGuiness will adapt as a different style of football now. Donegal played done good football in 2012. The first year was a slog in 2011 but they were more attacking the following year
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 18/08/2023 10:42:23
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Replying To jacktheboy: "If Jimmy comes back its R.I.P. for Gaelic Football" Why pretend you are from Donegal?
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1143 - 18/08/2023 10:43:46
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