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2023 WEXFORD FOOTBALL C SHIP

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Replying To Viking66:  "Junior B Football or Electric Picnic if I was in my early 20s all over again............. tough choice.......not really????!!!!!!!"
Senior impacted aswel, Annes were missing 4 starters because of it.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/09/2023 15:42:48    2503177

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It ll get worse with the attitude of most within the county. Dual players don't get to plan anything for themselves. What young lad in 20s wants to wait until.end October to enjoy them selves . Hurling clubs and hurling people pushing young lads to wait until after hurling is finished to let their hair down . Sure it's only football and the less high profile it is the better for them and their agenda

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 05/09/2023 22:12:35    2503219

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Replying To Formertownie:  "It ll get worse with the attitude of most within the county. Dual players don't get to plan anything for themselves. What young lad in 20s wants to wait until.end October to enjoy them selves . Hurling clubs and hurling people pushing young lads to wait until after hurling is finished to let their hair down . Sure it's only football and the less high profile it is the better for them and their agenda"
This is it, seeing every weekend with our own football team, hurling main priority, now that its football, players coming and going, might be there one week. When the two rounds were played early in the year in April, it was nearly better, probably be hounded for saying that but its just not working for me at the minute.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 426 - 06/09/2023 13:19:17    2503292

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Replying To Formertownie:  "It ll get worse with the attitude of most within the county. Dual players don't get to plan anything for themselves. What young lad in 20s wants to wait until.end October to enjoy them selves . Hurling clubs and hurling people pushing young lads to wait until after hurling is finished to let their hair down . Sure it's only football and the less high profile it is the better for them and their agenda"
Next year Electric Picnic will clash with hurling final weekend which will mean only two teams will be still playing hurling in each competition and I can't see anyone skipping a county final for a picnic.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 06/09/2023 13:21:06    2503294

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Next year Electric Picnic will clash with hurling final weekend which will mean only two teams will be still playing hurling in each competition and I can't see anyone skipping a county final for a picnic."
Depending on structure do u believe hurling will clash with electric picnic especially if round Robin games are week on or blocks as some are calling for

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 06/09/2023 13:50:45    2503302

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Depending on structure do u believe hurling will clash with electric picnic especially if round Robin games are week on or blocks as some are calling for"
Have to wait and see what the clubs want the system to be going forwards. But if they opt to keep the groups of 6 it won't matter much as regards days off, as most players in the county will still be playing week on week, being as most are dual players. The window to play club games is fixed nationally.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13443 - 06/09/2023 14:28:43    2503307

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I heard in the club I am involved with they asked MONTHS ago for whatever game was to be played last week be played on the Friday night because there was 6-7 of them off to Electric Picnic. It was rejected and they went ahead to EP and missed the match.
Its not the players fault if the C/B are tone deaf and won't accommodate. And yet you see above people blaming hurling clubs and hurling. Rubbish!
I get that logistically it must be a nightmare but for 1 weekend adjust the calendar.
And by the way, I heard (unverified but a reliable source) there was at least 2 clubs had to hurl without a few players who were on holiday and another at a stag party. So it happened during the hurling champ too.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1252 - 06/09/2023 15:56:12    2503335

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Have a go at the weekends action
Glynn v C/B: Glynn by 4 seem to be stronger in the football and Crossabeg missing Paudie Foley big time
Sars v Bunclody: Both teams winning last weekend, Anne's were down 5 so will call a draw
Anne's v Castletown: Castletown haven't come out of first gear but should win by 5

Fethard v starlights: Fethard point on the board will win this by 3
Shels v st James: Shels by 4 could be closer than expected
Gusserane v Kilanerin: Kilanerin by 3 motoring well and have a lot of work done

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 225 - 06/09/2023 17:22:21    2503352

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I heard in the club I am involved with they asked MONTHS ago for whatever game was to be played last week be played on the Friday night because there was 6-7 of them off to Electric Picnic. It was rejected and they went ahead to EP and missed the match.
Its not the players fault if the C/B are tone deaf and won't accommodate. And yet you see above people blaming hurling clubs and hurling. Rubbish!
I get that logistically it must be a nightmare but for 1 weekend adjust the calendar.
And by the way, I heard (unverified but a reliable source) there was at least 2 clubs had to hurl without a few players who were on holiday and another at a stag party. So it happened during the hurling champ too."
Firstly, it's the CCCC rather than the County Board who set fixtures, and yes, there is a difference.

Secondly, in fairness to them, they generally do their best to accommodate if a club makes a request re. a certain fixture for a valid reason. But "lads want to go away on the beer" isn't seen as a valid reason. Personally, I happen to agree with that.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 07/09/2023 11:31:25    2503402

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Electric Picnic is not a valid reason to miss a championship match.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 07/09/2023 12:01:23    2503411

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I heard in the club I am involved with they asked MONTHS ago for whatever game was to be played last week be played on the Friday night because there was 6-7 of them off to Electric Picnic. It was rejected and they went ahead to EP and missed the match.
Its not the players fault if the C/B are tone deaf and won't accommodate. And yet you see above people blaming hurling clubs and hurling. Rubbish!
I get that logistically it must be a nightmare but for 1 weekend adjust the calendar.
And by the way, I heard (unverified but a reliable source) there was at least 2 clubs had to hurl without a few players who were on holiday and another at a stag party. So it happened during the hurling champ too."
Absolutely bonkers that it would be suggested that games be moved for stags and EP.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 07/09/2023 13:39:55    2503424

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Electric Picnic is not a valid reason to miss a championship match."
it is im afraid when uv 5 of them, and its more than likely the one u miss does not matter in the long run

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2878 - 07/09/2023 14:04:26    2503431

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Electric Picnic is not a valid reason to miss a championship match."
Well in the view of the players a championship match is not a valid reason to miss Electric Picnic. As a young chiseller of the Feile era, I can concur with how they feel.
You have to at very least try accommodate players when they request something months in advance or they will vote with their feet and say OK then good luck with the match.
This is modern life. The "GAA is everything and everything else must be dropped or missed for the match" era is over my friend.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1252 - 07/09/2023 16:46:01    2503454

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I beg yo differ I think they should consider something of magnitude of electric picnic.
If you are dual player you may never get the chance to go . Are we that deluded to think young men and women don't want to enjoy life and still be dedicated to sport get real lads before it's too late . If was on finals weekend sure at least 5 /6 of the players could go maybe thars an option for cccc

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 07/09/2023 18:35:06    2503464

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Electric Picnic is not a valid reason to miss a championship match."
When should a young man go to Electric Picnic? When he's 40-50?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1777 - 08/09/2023 10:07:49    2503493

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For those who claim fixtures should have been arranged to accommodate Electric Picnic, what exactly are you suggesting? Is it -

1 - Every championship match in all grades should have been played on the Thursday or Friday evening, so that anyone who wanted to go to EP would have been free to do so on Saturday & Sunday?

2 - There should have been a free weekend so that lads could have gone on the Friday as well, and then a full midweek round of fixtures some other time (with all the logistical difficulties involved at this time of year, with darker evenings), so that the championships could still be finished in time for winners to compete in Leinster?

3 - There should have been a free weekend and then no midweek fixtures, so everything (including county finals) goes back a week, and our county champions don't get to compete in Leinster?

4 - Something else, that I'm not thinking of?

Genuinely curious to hear your proposed solutions to what you see as a problem.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 08/09/2023 10:17:39    2503496

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "For those who claim fixtures should have been arranged to accommodate Electric Picnic, what exactly are you suggesting? Is it -

1 - Every championship match in all grades should have been played on the Thursday or Friday evening, so that anyone who wanted to go to EP would have been free to do so on Saturday & Sunday?

2 - There should have been a free weekend so that lads could have gone on the Friday as well, and then a full midweek round of fixtures some other time (with all the logistical difficulties involved at this time of year, with darker evenings), so that the championships could still be finished in time for winners to compete in Leinster?

3 - There should have been a free weekend and then no midweek fixtures, so everything (including county finals) goes back a week, and our county champions don't get to compete in Leinster?

4 - Something else, that I'm not thinking of?

Genuinely curious to hear your proposed solutions to what you see as a problem."
Well the ones I know back at home asked for these games to be played on Thursday/Friday, so they could go to EP after or on Saturday morning with Saturday and Sunday being the big days.
I know it might have been a challenge to get enough pitches officals etc but its 1 weekend and the biggest weekend away for many of these lads before they go back to college/school/etc.
Its not that unreasonable to ask months in advance for a Friday fixture. Why can't the GAA just accommodate the wishes of the players for 1 weeked in the year?
I even planned it as a break week in my alternative championship calendar a few months back. That was a weekend off for everyone, club and county.
Its not as if it appeared out of nowhere and nobody could have predicted it might happen. Players vote with their feet.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1777 - 08/09/2023 11:24:50    2503504

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There is more to life than GAA! Electric Picnic would crown lads who have been playing for 7-8 weeks solid! The GAA doesn't have a hold on people like it once did, and that is probably for the best.

Anyway, this weekend, get to the bookies and do the opposite to what I say below!

Crossabeg v Barntown - Barntown by 3-4 (Two average sides)
Bunclody v Sars - Sars maybe, the win last week will have crowned them (Two more average sides)
Castletown v St Annes - This will be tighter than people expect, Annes by 1
Fethard v Starlights - Starlights by a few, Fethard missing too many
Shels v St James - Shels flying, but James need this. James by 2. They are better than they have shown so far.
Kilanerin v Gusserane - According to many Kilanerin have already won the Championship! They are flying to be fair, and think they will pip Gusserane here. My prediction for them this year though is and easy q final that they will win, before being beaten in a Semi Final

Clongeen v Maudlintown - Clongeen by a few, will be tight though
Martins v Taghmon - Martins look solid
Gorey v Ferns - Gorey going well and Ferns not so well
Horeswood v Cushinstown - Horeswood are my favs to win the title, and Cushinstown are overrated
Fintans v Ballyhogue - Ballyhogue aren't great, but will have more than enough for Fintans who are poor
Bannow v Adamstown - This should be tight, a new ross derby, will go for a draw game

rossytilidie (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 08/09/2023 12:04:45    2503508

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Well the ones I know back at home asked for these games to be played on Thursday/Friday, so they could go to EP after or on Saturday morning with Saturday and Sunday being the big days.
I know it might have been a challenge to get enough pitches officals etc but its 1 weekend and the biggest weekend away for many of these lads before they go back to college/school/etc.
Its not that unreasonable to ask months in advance for a Friday fixture. Why can't the GAA just accommodate the wishes of the players for 1 weeked in the year?
I even planned it as a break week in my alternative championship calendar a few months back. That was a weekend off for everyone, club and county.
Its not as if it appeared out of nowhere and nobody could have predicted it might happen. Players vote with their feet."
So....you're saying your solution is to fix the match for the Thursday/Friday if the club asks far enough in advance?

What if most or all clubs put in that request? There are surely players in every club who'd like to go to EP if they were free to do so. Let's say they'd granted the requests to the clubs who put it in this year. Every other club who instead lined out without their Electric Picnic-ers would look and say "we'd better put in the same request next year, in case some of our lads want to go then as well".

Do you really think it would be feasible then to play most or all of the adult championship matches on the Thursday or Friday evening? That'd be up to 30 fixtures altogether, even without Junior B. Consider the number of venues, referees, linesmen, and gate people that would be needed, particularly since double-headers wouldn't be possible. Also consider throw-in times at venues that don't have lights.

And what of the impact on the underage championships? There were 22 matches played from U14 up to U18 over last Thursday & Friday, that couldn't have gone ahead if the referees who took charge of them were needed for adult matches instead.

Would it be fair to hold up the championships for 13- and 14-year-olds because some lads eight or ten years older want to go having the craic for the weekend?

Also the impact on ordinary club activity in venues like Oylegate, Bree, Monamolin, etc., that are often used to host matches. Say there are two or three club squads who normally train on Thursday/Friday evening (e.g. underage GAA, or underage or adult camogie and ladies football). They'd also be affected by a few lads wanting to head off on a sesh. Again, would that be fair?

Finally, even if a way can be found to put a free weekend into our club championships calendar, I'd suggest it should be kept as a moveable feast to accommodate replays in county semi-finals or finals, rather than a fixed date to allow lads to go off on the beer.

Does this at least partly answer your question "why can't they just accommodate the wishes of the players"?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 08/09/2023 12:39:11    2503514

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Replying To rossytilidie:  "There is more to life than GAA! Electric Picnic would crown lads who have been playing for 7-8 weeks solid! The GAA doesn't have a hold on people like it once did, and that is probably for the best.

Anyway, this weekend, get to the bookies and do the opposite to what I say below!

Crossabeg v Barntown - Barntown by 3-4 (Two average sides)
Bunclody v Sars - Sars maybe, the win last week will have crowned them (Two more average sides)
Castletown v St Annes - This will be tighter than people expect, Annes by 1
Fethard v Starlights - Starlights by a few, Fethard missing too many
Shels v St James - Shels flying, but James need this. James by 2. They are better than they have shown so far.
Kilanerin v Gusserane - According to many Kilanerin have already won the Championship! They are flying to be fair, and think they will pip Gusserane here. My prediction for them this year though is and easy q final that they will win, before being beaten in a Semi Final

Clongeen v Maudlintown - Clongeen by a few, will be tight though
Martins v Taghmon - Martins look solid
Gorey v Ferns - Gorey going well and Ferns not so well
Horeswood v Cushinstown - Horeswood are my favs to win the title, and Cushinstown are overrated
Fintans v Ballyhogue - Ballyhogue aren't great, but will have more than enough for Fintans who are poor
Bannow v Adamstown - This should be tight, a new ross derby, will go for a draw game"
Not going to the bookies with mine either though I've gone for some different choices-
Barntown
Sars
Castletown
Fethard,
Shels,
Kilanerin

Mary's
Taghmon, fingers crossed!!!!,
Gorey
Horeswood
Ballyhogue
Adamstown

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13443 - 08/09/2023 12:50:59    2503517

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