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Hoping to get to a few games this weekend

Kilanerin v Bunclody: On paper you would pick Kilanerin but Bunclody can be dogged enough. Be interesting to see how group stage form carried into the q finals. Kilanerin by 4 after a good battle.
Starlights v Castletown: Hard to see past the defending champions strolled through the group stages but will look to hit form in the next three weekends. Starlights started the campaign poorly but have strengthened since but ultimately won't have enough. Castletown by 6
St Anne's v Shels: Shels motoring nicely 5/5 in the group stages against an Anne's team probably relieved to be in the Q Final rather than a relegation one. St Anne's will battle hard but probably don't have the quality they did a few years ago and shels running game will prove too much. Shels by 4
Glynn Barntown v Gusserane: Tough one to call GB seem to be playing well under Joe Hagan against a Gusserane side who have been doing enough in the group stages. Gavin Sheehan would be a big loss but there still relying on the old guard a bit GB to win by 3.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 239 - 26/09/2023 13:15:07    2505820

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hurling played in other counties over the weekend"
That means nothing the I m only concerned about the conditions teams in wexford played in . Maybe the pitch they played on was more weather resistant.
I can only imagine crossabeg or fethard would have preferred to wait and play midweek when conditions allowed to play football rather than slop around and hope lady luck smiles on them which it did nt .
Point is too much at stake for clubs and players to be asked to play in those conditions and itcwas downright dangerous. You make any exccose yiu want but none of those games should have been played .
If you think hurling could ve been played on thise pitches. I feel u know little of the game . If you got free I bexasking fr free golf drop to dry spot . The ball would nt have risen off the ground thats if you could find it in the first place in the muck.
We ll see I'd any videos are posted to prove my point on conditions and if not it ll prove the point they should nt ve been played end of story .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 26/09/2023 14:55:38    2505857

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Replying To Formertownie:  "That means nothing the I m only concerned about the conditions teams in wexford played in . Maybe the pitch they played on was more weather resistant.
I can only imagine crossabeg or fethard would have preferred to wait and play midweek when conditions allowed to play football rather than slop around and hope lady luck smiles on them which it did nt .
Point is too much at stake for clubs and players to be asked to play in those conditions and itcwas downright dangerous. You make any exccose yiu want but none of those games should have been played .
If you think hurling could ve been played on thise pitches. I feel u know little of the game . If you got free I bexasking fr free golf drop to dry spot . The ball would nt have risen off the ground thats if you could find it in the first place in the muck.
We ll see I'd any videos are posted to prove my point on conditions and if not it ll prove the point they should nt ve been played end of story ."
But this is the problem with the time constraints we find ourselves under.

I agree for player safety matches shouldnt have gone ahead, yet looking at the forecast they wouldnt have gone ahead tomorrow either, even some pitches are still unplayable today.

Clubs are their own worst enemies, we have 16 weeks to run 2 competitions that takes 16 weeks in a country with the weather we have.

Any suggestion to change it to give a bit of wriggle room is shot down straight away.

Any suggestion to alleviate some potential issues (like playing to a finish on the day, penalties etc) is shot down

Any suggestion to alleviate things by sacrificing participants in Leinster is shot down.

And then the ironic things is you actually see people and players from Clubs who are the very ones shooting down everything, pushing these ridiculous structures and adding to the issues at hand being the first to complain when things invariably go a bit awry.

Genuinely at this stage id be quite happy to have the decision making and power taken away from the clubs and handed back to the county board in terms of how the structures work in the county.

I was talking to a young player from a club i wont mention but he was telling me is absolutely wrecked, mentally and physically, he has played 18 championship games in 13 weeks!! and hes now facing into a quarter final in football this week whilst also facing a substantial journey twice a week from college to get home for training.

Player welfare how are ye!!We are so concerned with player burnout at a young stage that the geniuses of our club delegates voted this structure in where thats what chaps are facing. And then we further endanger these players by playing in conditions like last sunday because the reality is the County Board have no choice because "this is what the clubs want and voted for!"

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 26/09/2023 15:59:08    2505866

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Replying To tearintom:  "But this is the problem with the time constraints we find ourselves under.

I agree for player safety matches shouldnt have gone ahead, yet looking at the forecast they wouldnt have gone ahead tomorrow either, even some pitches are still unplayable today.

Clubs are their own worst enemies, we have 16 weeks to run 2 competitions that takes 16 weeks in a country with the weather we have.

Any suggestion to change it to give a bit of wriggle room is shot down straight away.

Any suggestion to alleviate some potential issues (like playing to a finish on the day, penalties etc) is shot down

Any suggestion to alleviate things by sacrificing participants in Leinster is shot down.

And then the ironic things is you actually see people and players from Clubs who are the very ones shooting down everything, pushing these ridiculous structures and adding to the issues at hand being the first to complain when things invariably go a bit awry.

Genuinely at this stage id be quite happy to have the decision making and power taken away from the clubs and handed back to the county board in terms of how the structures work in the county.

I was talking to a young player from a club i wont mention but he was telling me is absolutely wrecked, mentally and physically, he has played 18 championship games in 13 weeks!! and hes now facing into a quarter final in football this week whilst also facing a substantial journey twice a week from college to get home for training.

Player welfare how are ye!!We are so concerned with player burnout at a young stage that the geniuses of our club delegates voted this structure in where thats what chaps are facing. And then we further endanger these players by playing in conditions like last sunday because the reality is the County Board have no choice because "this is what the clubs want and voted for!""
As I said previously the amount of championship games we have when you combine the 2 codes isn't anything too crazy compared to alot of other counties, Tipp, Galway, Dublin etc. The big difference is the amount of players in Wexford playing both codes.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/09/2023 16:29:36    2505871

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Maybe some shouldn't have, listening to the weekend reviews Eire Og and Clonlara on TG4 defiantly shouldn't have anyway."
Watched it. Was hoping Eire og would win as they came close in the final last year against Ballyea. Conditions weren't great it has to be said. But then again I got drowned to the ####s in July too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 26/09/2023 17:19:49    2505883

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "As I said previously the amount of championship games we have when you combine the 2 codes isn't anything too crazy compared to alot of other counties, Tipp, Galway, Dublin etc. The big difference is the amount of players in Wexford playing both codes."
Exactly. So we need to tailor our championships to suit our players. And that means less games. Especially in the group stages.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 26/09/2023 17:23:19    2505885

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See all junior and junior a are postponed this weekend. Strange decision, saying it gives pitches more time to recover. Sure teams still training on them anyways.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 26/09/2023 18:21:58    2505892

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Tom's post above is a good one. It encapsulates not only all the problems, but also why they arise, and the common denominator is clubs voting for certain things but then later complaining about the consequences of that vote.

I too sometimes think it might be best if the power to make decisions re. championship structures etc. was taken away from them, but as I've said before, there'd be absolute uproar if that was even suggested.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/09/2023 23:17:05    2505914

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "See all junior and junior a are postponed this weekend. Strange decision, saying it gives pitches more time to recover. Sure teams still training on them anyways."
Actually further to that, its giving dry enough weather this weekend aswell. What if the weather is bad next week also? Sure the ground will be getting wetter going forward, and they still have to fit in U21 championship. While the championship teams need a break, I really dont see the point in this one seeing as the grounds they were using was Ballymurn, The Rocks, Tagoat etc. Think its a hasty decision made by the county board after some negative feedback at the weekend without any thougth going into it.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 27/09/2023 09:41:29    2505939

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Actually further to that, its giving dry enough weather this weekend aswell. What if the weather is bad next week also? Sure the ground will be getting wetter going forward, and they still have to fit in U21 championship. While the championship teams need a break, I really dont see the point in this one seeing as the grounds they were using was Ballymurn, The Rocks, Tagoat etc. Think its a hasty decision made by the county board after some negative feedback at the weekend without any thougth going into it."
I'm guessing another factor is the winners of these grades isn't competing in Leinster like the top 3 grades, there all in action in Leinster weekend of October 21/22.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/09/2023 10:14:34    2505954

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Actually further to that, its giving dry enough weather this weekend aswell. What if the weather is bad next week also? Sure the ground will be getting wetter going forward, and they still have to fit in U21 championship. While the championship teams need a break, I really dont see the point in this one seeing as the grounds they were using was Ballymurn, The Rocks, Tagoat etc. Think its a hasty decision made by the county board after some negative feedback at the weekend without any thougth going into it."
Im also not sure why they are insisting on using one pitch for multiple matches.

All 4 quarter finals in Senior are fixed for Wexford Park, 3 out of the 4 quarter finals in intermediate are fixed for Bellfield which according to rumours will possibly be unavailable this weekend.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 27/09/2023 10:29:44    2505958

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Re format i think the only logical thing to do is reduce the numbers in the groups.

Make it 3 groups of 4 with the 3rd highest loser in each group going through and the two lowest playing off.

This makes it 3 group games instead of 5 and free up 4 weeks of the season to have install breaks between semi's and finals and between chships.

comc (Wexford) - Posts: 109 - 27/09/2023 10:34:50    2505959

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I'm guessing another factor is the winners of these grades isn't competing in Leinster like the top 3 grades, there all in action in Leinster weekend of October 21/22."
I'm wondering is it a bit of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" type of situation?

They get the chance to give some players a break after 13 weeks in a row of fixtures, because the Junior championships don't have to be finished by any particular date, but straight away, they're criticised for doing that too.

I also note the mail that went to clubs to announce the decision says it's partly to give the higher grades a chance of goign ahead. Presume this means that if one of the pitches earmarked for Intermediate or Intermediate A was deemed unplayable (Bellfield, Ross, Patrick's Park, Bunclody, Bree, Cushinstown) then there'd be a greater choice of places they could be moved to, because the ones that would have been standing by to host Junior or Junior A matches would be available, and the clubs there would have been expecting to host a match at the weekend anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2023 10:36:57    2505960

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Sorry - partly to give the higher grades a *higher* chance of going ahead

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2023 11:06:06    2505965

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm wondering is it a bit of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" type of situation?

They get the chance to give some players a break after 13 weeks in a row of fixtures, because the Junior championships don't have to be finished by any particular date, but straight away, they're criticised for doing that too.

I also note the mail that went to clubs to announce the decision says it's partly to give the higher grades a chance of goign ahead. Presume this means that if one of the pitches earmarked for Intermediate or Intermediate A was deemed unplayable (Bellfield, Ross, Patrick's Park, Bunclody, Bree, Cushinstown) then there'd be a greater choice of places they could be moved to, because the ones that would have been standing by to host Junior or Junior A matches would be available, and the clubs there would have been expecting to host a match at the weekend anyway."
I dont have a problem with 'the break', the problem I have is that it seems to be a knee jerk reaction and it pushes other competitions like the U21 further into November where both football and hurling still have to be completed. I dont think they would be playing Intermediate matches in Ballymurn or The Rocks with little to no parking.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 27/09/2023 11:17:43    2505970

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Replying To comc:  "Re format i think the only logical thing to do is reduce the numbers in the groups.

Make it 3 groups of 4 with the 3rd highest loser in each group going through and the two lowest playing off.

This makes it 3 group games instead of 5 and free up 4 weeks of the season to have install breaks between semi's and finals and between chships."
Clubs would scream blue murder over that and if it wasn't applied to hurling it would be said it was typical hurling bias.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 27/09/2023 11:23:58    2505971

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I dont have a problem with 'the break', the problem I have is that it seems to be a knee jerk reaction and it pushes other competitions like the U21 further into November where both football and hurling still have to be completed. I dont think they would be playing Intermediate matches in Ballymurn or The Rocks with little to no parking."
Not necessarily, re. the U21.

Assuming the Junior & Junior Football Finals now go ahead a week later (i.e. weekend of October 21/22), only way U21 hurling couldn't resume in its entirety that weekend is if one or more clubs in a Junior Football Final is also still involved in U21 hurling.

Looking at the line-ups (16 teams still involved across four grades of U21 hurling, and 16 involved in two grades of Junior football), there are only six clubs involved in both. And without naming names, the chances of some of those clubs making their county football final is slim.

And U21 football will be held up anyway for as long as any of the clubs involved might also be involved in Leinster championships. For example, Castletown and Kilanerin are both through to U21 Football Premier semi-final, so if either club happens to win the senior county final, their U21 game won't be able to happen until they're out of Leinster.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2023 14:14:16    2506003

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Clubs would scream blue murder over that and if it wasn't applied to hurling it would be said it was typical hurling bias."
Can't speak for the other poster, but I took it that he meant it could operate that way in both football and hurling.

However, here's the thing....Wexford is one of the few counties where the exact same structures apply to both. There shouldn't be anything wrong in theory with running our football one way, and our hurling another way. But as you say...there'd be blue murder if it was ever even suggested.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2023 14:20:47    2506006

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Clubs would scream blue murder over that and if it wasn't applied to hurling it would be said it was typical hurling bias."
How many would object?

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 27/09/2023 14:36:40    2506010

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Replying To wexford2012:  "How many would object?"
All the ones who didn't vote for it when it was formally put forward as a proposal for how to run the championships.

And that's nearly every single club going, as the vote was almost unanimous to have two groups of six instead.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 27/09/2023 15:24:13    2506015

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