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Replying To Pikeman96: "Have been talking to somebody who's in a proper position to know about such things, and he tells me Shamrocks will have a relegation play-off all right. As I suspected, it's due to a relegation play-off being treated as a new competition, which they've 'qualified' for by virtue of finishing bottom of their group in this one. And because it's a new competition, they can't be expelled from it at this point, because they've done nothing wrong in that one yet." Madness really but had my own suspicion that might be the case.
Of course that all depends on them actually turning up for that game also.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Have been talking to somebody who's in a proper position to know about such things, and he tells me Shamrocks will have a relegation play-off all right. As I suspected, it's due to a relegation play-off being treated as a new competition, which they've 'qualified' for by virtue of finishing bottom of their group in this one. And because it's a new competition, they can't be expelled from it at this point, because they've done nothing wrong in that one yet." It's crazy that it is a new competition. Same way if someone is suspended in one comp (last group game red card), they can play in the other (relegation final) I am guessing?
Wrt the actual competition, Shamrocks would probably want to take a bit of a look at themselves, might be best for all concerned for them to go down if struggling for numbers so badly. A shame as they had a relatively good year in hurling (semi final) and were an intermediate football side within the past ten years I'd say.
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D day ahead in the senior championship
St Anne's v Crossabeg: Anne's have to show something soon or could end up in a relegation final. Could be tight Anne's by 1
Sars v GB: Barntown already through hard to know how they will approach it you would imagine they will have all eyes on quarter final but should win this by 4
Castletown v Bunclody : Castletown by 5 think there too far ahead of all other teams in this group
Fethard v st James : Ross derby and relegation semi think st James will win this by 2
Shels v Kilanerin:!nothing more than shadows boxing will call a draw
Starlights v Gusserane : think Gusserane will want this more and win by 4
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 225 - 21/09/2023 11:22:57
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Replying To rossytilidie: "It's crazy that it is a new competition. Same way if someone is suspended in one comp (last group game red card), they can play in the other (relegation final) I am guessing?
Wrt the actual competition, Shamrocks would probably want to take a bit of a look at themselves, might be best for all concerned for them to go down if struggling for numbers so badly. A shame as they had a relatively good year in hurling (semi final) and were an intermediate football side within the past ten years I'd say." So i take it then that if its a new competition then players who already played for the first team of their clubs may now be available?
This doesnt happen to matter to the Shamrocks, its their first and only team.
However looking at the other side Cushinstown play Ballyhogue on sunday on whats effectively a relegation semi final. Ive no doubt that both of these Clubs first teams will probably have used around 20 players each or so effectively ruling these players out of playing for their 2nd teams.
Seeing as this is a new competition does that mean these 20 players are still ineligible? If that is the case then its kinda a bit mad that new competition rules dont apply across the board.
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Replying To rossytilidie: "It's crazy that it is a new competition. Same way if someone is suspended in one comp (last group game red card), they can play in the other (relegation final) I am guessing?
Wrt the actual competition, Shamrocks would probably want to take a bit of a look at themselves, might be best for all concerned for them to go down if struggling for numbers so badly. A shame as they had a relatively good year in hurling (semi final) and were an intermediate football side within the past ten years I'd say." See it confirmed on the Wexford GAA website summary of the groups. Crazy stuff really. Can never understand how a relegation final is a separate competition. The should of been cleared up in the rules years ago.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 427 - 21/09/2023 13:27:31
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Replying To tearintom: "So i take it then that if its a new competition then players who already played for the first team of their clubs may now be available?
This doesnt happen to matter to the Shamrocks, its their first and only team.
However looking at the other side Cushinstown play Ballyhogue on sunday on whats effectively a relegation semi final. Ive no doubt that both of these Clubs first teams will probably have used around 20 players each or so effectively ruling these players out of playing for their 2nd teams.
Seeing as this is a new competition does that mean these 20 players are still ineligible? If that is the case then its kinda a bit mad that new competition rules dont apply across the board." I honestly don't know myself why relegation play-offs are treated as a new competition, rather than a continuation of the same competition, in the way that 'ordinary' play-offs are.
Not the case though that anybody who's played Intermediate for Ballyhogue or Rathgarogue-Cushinstown would be eligible for this 'new' competition. That's because it's a new Junior A competition, and so anybody who's played at a higher grade this year is ineligible.
There's another quirk in the rules though, in how it operates the other way round: if you play in a relegation play-off in a higher grade, you don't lose your status for the lower grade.
I remember pointing out how this applied to Duffry Rovers in hurling this year. Their first team played an Intermediate A relegation final on the Friday night, while their second team were down to play Junior B county semi-final on the Saturday.
It meant a Junior B player who hadn't yet played with the first team this year could have played with the first team in the relegation final, and still be eligible to play with the second team the following day.
Again, I don't understand the thinking behind it.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 21/09/2023 13:50:34
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Replying To tearintom: "So i take it then that if its a new competition then players who already played for the first team of their clubs may now be available?
This doesnt happen to matter to the Shamrocks, its their first and only team.
However looking at the other side Cushinstown play Ballyhogue on sunday on whats effectively a relegation semi final. Ive no doubt that both of these Clubs first teams will probably have used around 20 players each or so effectively ruling these players out of playing for their 2nd teams.
Seeing as this is a new competition does that mean these 20 players are still ineligible? If that is the case then its kinda a bit mad that new competition rules dont apply across the board." It could be a new competition and they still cannot play as they played FIRST team already. It's not that hard to understand.
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Replying To rossytilidie: "It's crazy that it is a new competition. Same way if someone is suspended in one comp (last group game red card), they can play in the other (relegation final) I am guessing?
Wrt the actual competition, Shamrocks would probably want to take a bit of a look at themselves, might be best for all concerned for them to go down if struggling for numbers so badly. A shame as they had a relatively good year in hurling (semi final) and were an intermediate football side within the past ten years I'd say." They have some really people putting in the time with their underage set ups too. Decent people who are passionate about the club and the games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13449 - 21/09/2023 15:35:21
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Forecast is dodgy enough for Sunday, the 5.45 start for Annes/Crossabeg in New Ross won't be ideal with no floodlights there, was chatting to someone at Fintans/Bannow at 6 last Sunday in rainy conditions in Rathangan said it was very dark in the 2nd half.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/09/2023 15:36:09
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I honestly don't know myself why relegation play-offs are treated as a new competition, rather than a continuation of the same competition, in the way that 'ordinary' play-offs are.
Not the case though that anybody who's played Intermediate for Ballyhogue or Rathgarogue-Cushinstown would be eligible for this 'new' competition. That's because it's a new Junior A competition, and so anybody who's played at a higher grade this year is ineligible.
There's another quirk in the rules though, in how it operates the other way round: if you play in a relegation play-off in a higher grade, you don't lose your status for the lower grade.
I remember pointing out how this applied to Duffry Rovers in hurling this year. Their first team played an Intermediate A relegation final on the Friday night, while their second team were down to play Junior B county semi-final on the Saturday.
It meant a Junior B player who hadn't yet played with the first team this year could have played with the first team in the relegation final, and still be eligible to play with the second team the following day.
Again, I don't understand the thinking behind it." Yeah good explanation,
A lot of it doesnt make sense in all honesty, surely the simplest solution to all this is to just have it classed as all the same competition no matter whether relegation final or not.
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Replying To tearintom: " Replying To Pikeman96: "I honestly don't know myself why relegation play-offs are treated as a new competition, rather than a continuation of the same competition, in the way that 'ordinary' play-offs are.
Not the case though that anybody who's played Intermediate for Ballyhogue or Rathgarogue-Cushinstown would be eligible for this 'new' competition. That's because it's a new Junior A competition, and so anybody who's played at a higher grade this year is ineligible.
There's another quirk in the rules though, in how it operates the other way round: if you play in a relegation play-off in a higher grade, you don't lose your status for the lower grade.
I remember pointing out how this applied to Duffry Rovers in hurling this year. Their first team played an Intermediate A relegation final on the Friday night, while their second team were down to play Junior B county semi-final on the Saturday.
It meant a Junior B player who hadn't yet played with the first team this year could have played with the first team in the relegation final, and still be eligible to play with the second team the following day.
Again, I don't understand the thinking behind it." Yeah good explanation, A lot of it doesnt make sense in all honesty, surely the simplest solution to all this is to just have it classed as all the same competition no matter whether relegation final or not."
He's unsure too about why exactly a relegation competition is classed as a new competition, but thinks it might be to cover a situation where a relegation competition also involves round-robin games between three or more teams. If it was the same competition, then score difference from the first part of it would have to be carried over into the round-robin relegation games too, unless there was a different rule written first.
That's his theory anyway, and I suppose it's as good a one as any.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 21/09/2023 16:21:31
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Replying To Viking66: "They have some really people putting in the time with their underage set ups too. Decent people who are passionate about the club and the games." Shamrocks are such a curious club.
I remember a time when they were winning both football and hurling premier minor titles and being good value for it.
But in recent years they have really really struggled, the potential is there, theres a lot of fellas working hard up there but from talking to lads i know up there they would tell you its like banging your head against a wall trying to get players at underage to commit and even harder trying to bring them through.
A lot of hard work on the facilities there which hopefully starts to bear fruit.
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Replying To tearintom: "Shamrocks are such a curious club.
I remember a time when they were winning both football and hurling premier minor titles and being good value for it.
But in recent years they have really really struggled, the potential is there, theres a lot of fellas working hard up there but from talking to lads i know up there they would tell you its like banging your head against a wall trying to get players at underage to commit and even harder trying to bring them through.
A lot of hard work on the facilities there which hopefully starts to bear fruit." Thing is, the time they were winning those minor titles is a long time ago now. Can't remember the exact year, but I know Skippy Ruth was on the football team that won it, so am guessing that would be around 1993/94/95. They then won Premier Minor Hurling a year or two later.
They're a long way down the grades now in all underage competitions, according to the Wexford GAA website:
U14 - Division 6 (the bottom one) in both hurling and football
U16 - Division 5 (the bottom one) in both hurling and football
U18 - don't appear to have competed in hurling at all. Division 4 (the bottom one) in football - lost two games heavily (4-23 to 2-4, followed by 7-23 to 0-0), before giving walkovers in another two.
They didn't enter U21 at all, in either hurling or football.
And for what it's worth, have heard on the grapevine the reason they gave their second walkover in Junior A Football last week was because they say it's impossible to field a team when local soccer fixtures are on, because so many of their players prefer to play soccer instead. While I'm sure that's an issue that many clubs face, every other club is able to overcome it.
While there's some people doing their best there, maybe easy to see why they'd feel like they're banging their heads against a wall.
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Replying To tearintom: "Shamrocks are such a curious club.
I remember a time when they were winning both football and hurling premier minor titles and being good value for it.
But in recent years they have really really struggled, the potential is there, theres a lot of fellas working hard up there but from talking to lads i know up there they would tell you its like banging your head against a wall trying to get players at underage to commit and even harder trying to bring them through.
A lot of hard work on the facilities there which hopefully starts to bear fruit." Shamrocks winning premier minor hurling and football? I think they won 1 hurling about 30 years ago, I dont even recall them playing at premier level in recent years, never mind winning them. I dont even recall them winning much at lower level grades, I think they won a roinn 3 in hurling a few years ago alright.
In saying that, as bad as they are, New ross is way, way worse
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Thing is, the time they were winning those minor titles is a long time ago now. Can't remember the exact year, but I know Skippy Ruth was on the football team that won it, so am guessing that would be around 1993/94/95. They then won Premier Minor Hurling a year or two later.
They're a long way down the grades now in all underage competitions, according to the Wexford GAA website:
U14 - Division 6 (the bottom one) in both hurling and football
U16 - Division 5 (the bottom one) in both hurling and football
U18 - don't appear to have competed in hurling at all. Division 4 (the bottom one) in football - lost two games heavily (4-23 to 2-4, followed by 7-23 to 0-0), before giving walkovers in another two.
They didn't enter U21 at all, in either hurling or football.
And for what it's worth, have heard on the grapevine the reason they gave their second walkover in Junior A Football last week was because they say it's impossible to field a team when local soccer fixtures are on, because so many of their players prefer to play soccer instead. While I'm sure that's an issue that many clubs face, every other club is able to overcome it.
While there's some people doing their best there, maybe easy to see why they'd feel like they're banging their heads against a wall." Their u12s are excellent in football and very good in hurling. I know they were only in div5 in both this year but they finished 1st by a mile in the football and 3rd in hurling. They should've been at least in div3 in football . They have good numbers at this grade too and hopefully these lads stay playing for the club as they get older. It has to start at the bottom.
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Replying To Viking66: "Their u12s are excellent in football and very good in hurling. I know they were only in div5 in both this year but they finished 1st by a mile in the football and 3rd in hurling. They should've been at least in div3 in football . They have good numbers at this grade too and hopefully these lads stay playing for the club as they get older. It has to start at the bottom." Might be a sign of green shoots then, if they can keep those lads playing and improving. At the moment though, they seem to have a real problem in even fielding a team over the age of 16.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2503 - 23/09/2023 12:11:35
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Ties decided for intermediate q finals
Cushinstown v Maudlintown
Adamstown v Taghmon
Martins v Horeswood
Ballyhogue v Gorey
Gorey only scoring two points again but still getting a draw v st martins. Don't know what's worse conceding five goals or scoring two points. Mary's Maud showing good form but playing a Cushinstown team who seem to be getting better each week. Horeswood drawing with Bannow would have to see a comfortable Martins victory here. Ballyhogue going well also and if they can stop Gorey getting goals they'll have every chance.
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Predict the 3 winners from inter A, Intermediate, Senior
I have craanford, Martin's, Kilanerin
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Predict the top 3 championships inter A, intermediate, senior.
I have craanford, Martins (just above gorey), Kilanerin
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Cushintown by 6, Adamstown by 5, St Martins by 6, Gorey by 4
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