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I see you get another dig in at Cork, on a thread which has no relevance to that penalty. People would think you actually played for Limerick, the way you carry on. You come across as a pathetic old man, little going on in life, so come on here bragging, and knocking competing teams. Good luck to you!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 399 - 14/08/2023 07:56:50 2500387 Link 0 |
So rather than watching the whole game I watched the first 10 minutes of the second half of 3 matches. 1996 final-2 handpasses which averages 14 in the game 2009 final 5 handpasses which averages 35 in the game 2023 final 15 handpasses which averages 105 in the game and approx 35 of those of the very dodgy nature. And for the record the 2009 final was the best for quality hurling IMO. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 14/08/2023 09:03:22 2500396 Link 0 |
Good Luck to you too, but I genuinely feel that there are issues other than handpassing that needs to be looking into. Persistent fouling is another one. How you or anyone else view me is of relevance to any adult discussion
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4468 - 14/08/2023 17:56:05 2500540 Link 0 |
I'm fully engaged in the topic. But there's no real point arguing over it. The essential difference in opinion between me and you and the other posters complaining on this thread is that I've no problem with handpasses as generally they speed the game up and make it more entertaining. The reason I posted that I watched the 96 final back and didn't notice a huge difference in hand passes is because I didn't count them because they don't bother me. I'll no doubt watch some of the games I've recorded back this year as I always do, Wexford v Kilkenny, Clare v Tipp , Offaly v Carlow, and if I think of it I'll count the handpasses. But I'm telling you now I really couldn't give a #### if there are 40, 60, 80, 95 or 120. While I enjoy watching games back that I was at in the 90s, and watching games I never saw live from the 70s and 80s, the speed and skill compared to now is completely different. The games back then were slower and more disjointed, there were more hacks and general violent play, there was more aimless hoofing of the ball. The only thing I do miss about those times is that there was more goalmouth action, although generally since the rule changes to protect keepers in the late 70s,?, there were definitely less goals back then, despite there being more rucks under dropping balls in the penalty areas. As I posted before the 2 things I think should be being tackled in the modern game are dangerous fouls like shoulders to the head, and cynical fouls, especially those preventing a goal.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14048 - 15/08/2023 11:21:11 2500606 Link 0 |
Pure begrudery OTM.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14048 - 15/08/2023 11:21:59 2500607 Link 0 |
Surely diving and throwing yourself on the ground is a bigger blight on hurling than a few dodgy handpasses. updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 852 - 15/08/2023 13:21:04 2500625 Link 0 |
It is. So is rugby tacking a fella who is through on goal. And shouldering a lad to the head could kill him stone dead.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14048 - 15/08/2023 16:03:41 2500661 Link 0 |
There seems to be a few Limerick posters who feel any discussion on the throw is somehow an attack on Limerick and the current Limerick team. It may be just coincidental that the game is now played with an average of 100 passes per game compared to 20 over 10 year ago and that Limerick happen to be on top. My contribution to this debate was never subjective and Ive said many times that the problem is across the board and one team is as bad as the next for throwing. Why do Limerick posters take a debate on throwing so personal? ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 15/08/2023 16:22:08 2500665 Link 0 |
Ban all handling and we'll see who the real stick-men are then! realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 15/08/2023 16:37:05 2500667 Link 2 |
You can still see them, Limerick have fabulous stick men and all of them can hurl.Look at Quaid, Hannon, Nash, Dod, diarmuid Byrnes, cian Lynch, Peter Casey etc.. Killer first touch on the stick, accurate and crisp strikes each and every time. You can probably pick out some individuals who might be as good or better stick men but as a team from front to back no one comes close imo.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 15/08/2023 18:48:33 2500679 Link 0 |
Look back at 18 Semi Final and count all the handpasses!throws Cork gave and then ask why little ornobody complained about it until about three years later.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4468 - 16/08/2023 11:51:34 2500756 Link 0 |
So I did that oldtourman and watched the first 10 mins of the second half as per my earlier post. There were 10 handpasses so an average of 70 for the game. Less than 2023 and more than 2009. The trend has been steadily upwards. You still see it as an attack on Limerick though?
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 16/08/2023 21:44:35 2500886 Link 0 |
Yeh great players, but from a spectator's point of view I think it would be beautiful and even more skilful.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 17/08/2023 12:50:53 2500967 Link 0 |
As you say Zulu, it was clearly already a problem in 2018. This has been steadily becoming a problem ever since the possession game came in, in the late nineties.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4468 - 18/08/2023 10:54:52 2501123 Link 0 |
Cause you see a problem that isn't there,the game is better now then 20 years ago,the skill level is better now then 20 years ago,we don't need to change the game of hurling,look at football,the countless rule changes and the game is only getting worse,what we need to do in hurling,is improve the counties outside of the top 9, major investment in those counties to bring them up to Liam standard not moaning about that handpasses that are too fast that you think is throwing.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 21/08/2023 12:42:29 2501578 Link 0 |
You totally miss understood what I was saying.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 21/08/2023 12:45:50 2501579 Link 0 |
Spot on. More needs to be spent on the middle tier counties to help the hurling men there. Time and money.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14048 - 21/08/2023 13:14:39 2501590 Link 0 |
Raise ye're own money hurling snobs. Time we football people stopped subsidising yer minority sport. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1988 - 21/08/2023 15:32:02 2501627 Link 0 |
There is no difference between a throw and one of your super fast hand passes except your delusional eyesight sees it as a great skill. Please spare me the notion that there is somehow a big difference between the 2.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 21/08/2023 15:58:08 2501637 Link 1 |
I belong to a club where all our adult players play both football and hurling. All my kids get the same hours of coaching and matches at football and hurling. I'm a mentor for 1 of their teams and we spend exactly the same time coaching both sports. The GAA was formed to promote both equally and that's what I, my family, and club, do. Maybe lads like you should just #### off and form some sort of GFA because you aren't being true to the ethos of the GAA and therefore don't belong in it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14048 - 21/08/2023 16:24:33 2501645 Link 0 |