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Ban The Hand Pass In Hurling. What Are The Alternatives?

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Should the throw just be allowed? Personally, I'm fed up of 3-4 players bottling a player up anyway. If they leaving themselves open to a thrown ball, maybe they might be less swarm defending?
Only allowed throw it if you didn't receive a throw?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1260 - 03/08/2023 17:09:25    2498920

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Seen plenty of it in mullingar at the league match. Take off your green tinted glasses for the minute. All teams are at it it's a cancer on the game. Westmeath were penalised in the first minute for a throw, after that limerick took great care making sure to take proper hand passes until it was thrown from a ruck or the refs view was obscured. Plenty of Westmeath fans pointing that out to the ref and the limerick's supporters view of it was look straight ahead, don't react as if it never happened. If it's allowed continue Hurling might as well do away with the hurl and just throw the ball, that's where it's headed. Ground hurling and the overhead double would get you sent off now. Skills now lacking in the game."
A cancer on the game,are you for real,the game is more skillful now then ever.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 03/08/2023 20:36:19    2498944

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Should the throw just be allowed? Personally, I'm fed up of 3-4 players bottling a player up anyway. If they leaving themselves open to a thrown ball, maybe they might be less swarm defending?
Only allowed throw it if you didn't receive a throw?"
That would be simply giving in to the problem. Even those who think there is nothing wrong with throwing wouldn't want to legalise it either,like as if they think there a fine art in most handpasses which are largely nothing but fancy throws even when theres clear space between the ball and hand. Ex tipp hurler Conor O Dononvan has a proposal that will be trialed in this years fresher hurling league. Ball can only be passed off the hurley or by switching the hands. Please god this trial gets the respect it deserves and we will finally find a cure for hurling's cancer.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 04/08/2023 10:06:11    2498967

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Replying To ZUL10:  "That would be simply giving in to the problem. Even those who think there is nothing wrong with throwing wouldn't want to legalise it either,like as if they think there a fine art in most handpasses which are largely nothing but fancy throws even when theres clear space between the ball and hand. Ex tipp hurler Conor O Dononvan has a proposal that will be trialed in this years fresher hurling league. Ball can only be passed off the hurley or by switching the hands. Please god this trial gets the respect it deserves and we will finally find a cure for hurling's cancer."
Wish you would stop calling it cancer you clown. I've friends and family died with that.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14047 - 04/08/2023 10:42:19    2498976

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Should the throw just be allowed? Personally, I'm fed up of 3-4 players bottling a player up anyway. If they leaving themselves open to a thrown ball, maybe they might be less swarm defending?
Only allowed throw it if you didn't receive a throw?"
Players get "bottled up" because they don't play the ball quickly.
Serves them right.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1988 - 04/08/2023 10:46:35    2498978

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Players get "bottled up" because they don't play the ball quickly.
Serves them right."
Modern defensive systems involve players tackling in groups of 2 or 3, especially around the middle 3rd. That just didn't happen back in the 90s, except around the goals, the game was much more zonal and players were expected to win their own battles.
The only way players won't be bottled up sometimes these days is if they hit the ball aimlessly away, which tbh looks really #### and is no entertainment at all. Or draw 15 boxes on the pitch and tell the lads starting there they aren't allowed to leave them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14047 - 04/08/2023 11:13:21    2498985

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Making it mandatory to hand pass off the hurley is a good idea.

The best coaches will find a way to make rules work for their team.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 04/08/2023 11:17:18    2498989

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Players get "bottled up" because they don't play the ball quickly.
Serves them right."
Try it, would be the best answer to that! The speed and intensity of modern game means that bottling up players is default in many parts of field in many games. Without the hand pass, the game would be one endless ruck and series of throw ins or frees.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3196 - 04/08/2023 11:30:53    2498993

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The alternative? Your hurley stick!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 04/08/2023 11:48:09    2498996

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How does a bottled up player get rid of the ball if it needs to go off the hurl first? Or manage to get it to the other hand without dropping the hurl if there 2-3 opponents all over him?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1786 - 04/08/2023 12:09:08    2498999

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Try it, would be the best answer to that! The speed and intensity of modern game means that bottling up players is default in many parts of field in many games. Without the hand pass, the game would be one endless ruck and series of throw ins or frees."
Not true. Its the handpass thats causing many of the rucks. How else can you stop someone throwing the ball?

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 04/08/2023 12:30:35    2499008

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wish you would stop calling it cancer you clown. I've friends and family died with that."
Sorry, so have I and most people unfortunately but you get my point dont you? Call it a disease thats rotting the game of its core values.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 04/08/2023 12:33:43    2499013

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Replying To ZUL10:  "Sorry, so have I and most people unfortunately but you get my point dont you? Call it a disease thats rotting the game of its core values."
Ah you are OK I'm having a bad morning in the workshop. I'm actually not that bothered about handpasses myself. Current ailments of the modern game like diving and holding tacklers hurls or free arms to draw frees, cuteness or dark arts as they get called by commentators but both are essentially cheating, and dangerous play like shoulders to the head would be things I'd personally be more bothered about tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14047 - 04/08/2023 12:48:18    2499018

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Replying To Viking66:  "Ah you are OK I'm having a bad morning in the workshop. I'm actually not that bothered about handpasses myself. Current ailments of the modern game like diving and holding tacklers hurls or free arms to draw frees, cuteness or dark arts as they get called by commentators but both are essentially cheating, and dangerous play like shoulders to the head would be things I'd personally be more bothered about tbh."
Indeed. And there are easily spotted unlike the angels dancing on a head of a pin distinction that separates legitimate hand passes from people consider to be cheating. We're talking millimetres and milli seconds here.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3196 - 04/08/2023 14:42:32    2499046

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Free arm tackles, holding, charging into contact, pulling, dragging are all problems in the modern game. But consider for moment that the handpass maybe central to these issues? The game is becoming a wrestling match to disposes the player in possession and a hurley is useless to you unfortunately. When a player is surrounded by 4 players he should not have the simple option of throwing the ball out of the situation.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 04/08/2023 16:59:41    2499065

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The problem is that players diving or grabbing opponents hurl happens 2-3 times a game, there are approx 100 hand passes in the modern inter county game, at a conservative estimate 30% are fouls, that's obviously 30 instances of fouling which means it's a huge issue

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1931 - 04/08/2023 17:54:00    2499072

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Replying To cityman73:  "A cancer on the game,are you for real,the game is more skillful now then ever."
Some skill alright, to throw the ball.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 99 - 05/08/2023 00:07:45    2499089

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The problem is that players diving or grabbing opponents hurl happens 2-3 times a game, there are approx 100 hand passes in the modern inter county game, at a conservative estimate 30% are fouls, that's obviously 30 instances of fouling which means it's a huge issue"
2-3 times a game or a minute?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1260 - 05/08/2023 14:48:38    2499139

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Some skill alright, to throw the ball."
Hand passing a ball quickly and accurately with clear separation IS a great skill.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14047 - 05/08/2023 18:41:42    2499167

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hand passing a ball quickly and accurately with clear separation IS a great skill."
IF there is CLEAR SEPARATION!!!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1988 - 05/08/2023 19:53:36    2499174

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