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Replying To Breffni40:  "I would 100% consider myself a "woke snowflake", but people offended by the word "smoked" need to get a grip!"
It's a bit silly all round. A comment made after a few pints, apologised for (always the worst thing in this situation) and certainly not offensive nor meant to be.

Ridiculous statement from an official body today referring to "online abuse" of DC . I've not seen any, and if they are referring to Flynn then they need to cop on.

Lots of nastiness in the sewer of social media but most sites for serious GAA people - like here - do not tolerate it. One county forum (unofficial) needs a bit of moderation given some of the vileness they allow.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 02/08/2023 13:23:52    2498602

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Replying To arock:  "Pretty much spot on there."
Methinks Mr Clifford is good, but as great as P Spillane? , maybe in ten years time ?

Heffo (Dublin) - Posts: 75 - 02/08/2023 14:05:08    2498620

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David Clifford is footballer of the year. it's a no brainer and I don't really know how it is an argument. He was outsanding in the Munster final, the group stages and All Ireland series. I know he didnt have his best stuff sunday but still kicked 2 quality points from play and had a worldie of a pass for the Kerry goal Most forwards would be thrilled with this return on All ireland final day.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 167 - 02/08/2023 14:39:40    2498637

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I have nt seen online abuse of Clifford but I'm not on twitter. On Paul Flynn his comments were not thought out properly but I do think Paul is a bit sneaky and very anti Kerry. He constancy puts them down softly with a small smile and I think it's calculated. The tweet he might have been under the weather but Paul is very biased and one visioned imo. He has been schooled before by Canavan and McConville in particular.Pat Spillane was biased too but he was open about it. Ciarán Whelan is very fair and has a touch of class about him. Flynn never sees anything wrong with his own whereas Whelan can see both sides. I admired Flynn as a player but can't stand him as a pundit. Give me Whelan everyday.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3616 - 02/08/2023 14:42:31    2498639

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A heck of a lot of '*****' being talked, just because Clifford kicked probably no more than 2 bad wides on Sunday. Dubs can't seem to help themselves, but to keep tossing it about as some sort of major issue, even being low enough to target and question his POtTY.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 02/08/2023 14:53:56    2498647

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Seeing a lot of people 'Condemning' the abuse Clifford is getting online, someone called it 'Vile Abuse'.

Has anyone actually seen any abuse of him online? Only thing I've seen is the debate about who gets POTY? Wondering are people purely putting that up to try and look good themselves.

Flynn's tweet was silly and I'm sure if it wasn't written at half 12 at night after he was out celebrating he may have worded it differently. Yet another person being found guilty of Trial by Social Media!

It really is a cesspit online."
Probably a generational thing, I have never understood why anyone would ever want to send a tweet.
But I would imagine Flynn was having a laugh when he sent his tweet.
People need to stop taking stuff like this so seriously and getting offended for other people.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1251 - 02/08/2023 15:41:19    2498676

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McCarthy will get it but shouldn't. Average in final. One good half against Mayo. Fenton for me was the man who stood up in the big games. Including the final when needed. So influential but McCarthy will get it probably.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7781 - 02/08/2023 16:08:33    2498683

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "It's a bit silly all round. A comment made after a few pints, apologised for (always the worst thing in this situation) and certainly not offensive nor meant to be.

Ridiculous statement from an official body today referring to "online abuse" of DC . I've not seen any, and if they are referring to Flynn then they need to cop on.

Lots of nastiness in the sewer of social media but most sites for serious GAA people - like here - do not tolerate it. One county forum (unofficial) needs a bit of moderation given some of the vileness they allow."
I can't see Dubs giving DC abuse. Sure why would they and most of us are still celebrating. Kerry folk have a habit of turning on their own. Paidi had some terms for them. They don't like being beaten, especially by the townies.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4697 - 02/08/2023 16:14:34    2498685

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Probably a generational thing, I have never understood why anyone would ever want to send a tweet.
But I would imagine Flynn was having a laugh when he sent his tweet.
People need to stop taking stuff like this so seriously and getting offended for other people."
Having a laugh, you mean rubbing salt in the wounds. Clifford has had an up down year on and off the field , especially off, but he's still player of the year, hands down. He didn't have an off day in the final, he just missed a couple, his pass for the goal seems to be forgotten while people would have been raving about it if he was a player closer to the capital. He's a role model to any youngster.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1986 - 02/08/2023 16:23:35    2498698

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "A heck of a lot of '*****' being talked, just because Clifford kicked probably no more than 2 bad wides on Sunday. Dubs can't seem to help themselves, but to keep tossing it about as some sort of major issue, even being low enough to target and question his POtTY."
Sure they robbed one of their own of FOTY in 2019 to make sure it went to the "retiring" Cluxton.
The thinking at the time was that Con was a shoe-in to win it eventually. Looking a bit less likely now!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4911 - 02/08/2023 16:29:58    2498701

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Having a laugh, you mean rubbing salt in the wounds. Clifford has had an up down year on and off the field , especially off, but he's still player of the year, hands down. He didn't have an off day in the final, he just missed a couple, his pass for the goal seems to be forgotten while people would have been raving about it if he was a player closer to the capital. He's a role model to any youngster."
"Hands down"

That's what I don't get to be honest. I can see how you could think he's POTY but I don't get the idea that it's unquestionably correct.

Like no one can be seen to question Clifford being FOTY seems a bit odd to me. It's not just you JustSaying, I've seen it from other posters on here, on Twitter and from media pundits too.

The 5 poor wides in the final, 8 or so against Tyrone. Pointing that out doesn't mean that you think Clifford isn't a brilliant player just that may not have been FOTY this year.

The irony being that FOTY is going to be either David Clifford or James McCarthy it seems, both great players but neither deserving of the award this year imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13685 - 02/08/2023 17:08:00    2498718

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "After a great football year, it was disappointing to finish with the RTE football panel on the Sunday Game being somewhat biased in their decision making, in picking both the player of the year and football team of the year.

Footballer of the Year
James McCarthy is one of my favorite players of all time and probably the best Dublin player ever to lace a boot. However, he was definitely not the player of the year for me this year. In the All Ireland final yesterday he gave away two early frees which Kerry scored from and he should have been clearly sent off for persistent fouling. If his name was not James McCarthy and captain of the Dublin team, he would have been sent off by the referee or taken off and substituted as he was having a terrible game.
While David Clifford left his shooting boots at home he won practically every ball against Mick Fitzsimons and set up numerous scoring opportunities for several other Kerry forwards, including the goal. In my opinion he had a much better year overall than James McCarthy. For consistency and excellence over the entire football year, I would have selected David Clifford, Brendan Rogers, Shane McGuigan, Enda Smith, Conor McCluskey, Stephen Cluxton and several others before James McCarthy. The panel were supposed to be voting for player of year for 2023 and not the player of all time.
Anyone with an interest in psychology would see great examples of selective perception bias, anchoring bias (historical playing history), groupthink and halo effect in their decision-making process. It is clearly a wrong decision and should be called out. I still have great respect for James McCarthy by the way and my respect for him has not changed. What a player he has been.

Team of the Year
While everyone would have their view on who should be on the team of the year, I find it very hard to understand some of the selections for the team this year. While the panel got many of their decisions correct, I felt that they got several clearly wrong and again suffered from some common biases and errors.
From a Roscommon perception we would have to ask did Paul Mannion have a better playing year than Enda Smith? The answer is clearly NO. Enda Smith had an outstanding year in all league and the championship. He was player of the match in three championship matches including the games against Mayo and Galway (two top contenders) and did not have a bad match all year. He adhered to the gameplan of playing deeper than normal in order to make space for other Roscommon forwards, and could not have done any more for the Roscommon team. I do not like running down other players, but apart from the All Ireland final, Paul Mannion did not have an outstanding year and was taken off in some matches. However, he did deserve the player of the match award yesterday.
Paul Mannion scored five points from play against his opposite number Tadhg Morley yesterday but Tadhg was still voted as the best center half back of the year. The center of Kerry's defence was clearly a major problem area for them yesterday. Gareth McKinless from Derry had a better year and should have been selected in that position. I will leave it at that!"
Delighted to see that Darragh O'Shea was unbiased in his selection of his the team of the year unlike the Sunday Game panel as I mentioned in my previous post. He picked 12 of the same players as the Sunday Game panel, but make three important changes that I fully agree with. He also put much more emphasis on critically evaluating the full year rather than being unduly influence by just the semi-finals and final. Most players in contention for selection would have played 7 league games and between 5 and 7 championship games which the Sunday Game panel obviously ignored and did not consider. Their job was supposed to be picking the team of THE YEAR in an unbiased way.
Darragh has shown that he was totally unbiased as he has only picked three Kerry players (rather than the 5 by the Sunday Game panel).
The three changes that he made were as follows:
* Gareth McKinless (Derry) instead of Tadhg Morley (Kerry) ----- Fully agree. McKinless was outstanding all year.
* Enda Smith (Roscommon) instead of Sean O Shea (Kerry) ----- Fully agree and very much deserved. Enda was outstanding in all 7 league matches and was MAN OF THE MATCH in THREE of the five championship matches that he played in. He did not have a bad match all year. What more could he be expected to do?
* Brian Howard (Dublin) instead of Paul Mannion (Dublin) ----- Fully agree. One good match should not get you into the team of the year. However Paul Mannion was the deserved man of the match in the All Ireland final. Brian Howard had a much better year.

Very well done Darragh. I agree with you 100%

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 443 - 02/08/2023 17:15:12    2498720

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Delighted to see that Darragh O'Shea was unbiased in his selection of his the team of the year unlike the Sunday Game panel as I mentioned in my previous post. He picked 12 of the same players as the Sunday Game panel, but make three important changes that I fully agree with. He also put much more emphasis on critically evaluating the full year rather than being unduly influence by just the semi-finals and final. Most players in contention for selection would have played 7 league games and between 5 and 7 championship games which the Sunday Game panel obviously ignored and did not consider. Their job was supposed to be picking the team of THE YEAR in an unbiased way.
Darragh has shown that he was totally unbiased as he has only picked three Kerry players (rather than the 5 by the Sunday Game panel).
The three changes that he made were as follows:
* Gareth McKinless (Derry) instead of Tadhg Morley (Kerry) ----- Fully agree. McKinless was outstanding all year.
* Enda Smith (Roscommon) instead of Sean O Shea (Kerry) ----- Fully agree and very much deserved. Enda was outstanding in all 7 league matches and was MAN OF THE MATCH in THREE of the five championship matches that he played in. He did not have a bad match all year. What more could he be expected to do?
* Brian Howard (Dublin) instead of Paul Mannion (Dublin) ----- Fully agree. One good match should not get you into the team of the year. However Paul Mannion was the deserved man of the match in the All Ireland final. Brian Howard had a much better year.

Very well done Darragh. I agree with you 100%"
Was wondering why you were so so enthusiastic with 'Darragh's Team' until I came to the word EndaSmith, then the penny dropped.............yawn, as one of the Dubs on here said... your opinion...my opinion....Darragh's opinion.....=no opinion.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 02/08/2023 17:52:48    2498732

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Sure they robbed one of their own of FOTY in 2019 to make sure it went to the "retiring" Cluxton.
The thinking at the time was that Con was a shoe-in to win it eventually. Looking a bit less likely now!"
Would it not have to go to a division 1 player ?

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 208 - 02/08/2023 18:28:46    2498736

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Having a laugh, you mean rubbing salt in the wounds. Clifford has had an up down year on and off the field , especially off, but he's still player of the year, hands down. He didn't have an off day in the final, he just missed a couple, his pass for the goal seems to be forgotten while people would have been raving about it if he was a player closer to the capital. He's a role model to any youngster."
He absolutely is a role model of a player for any youngster (and oldsters like myself too). He's a joy to watch playing football and if he wins player of the year, which I think he will, it'll be deserved.
However, I don't agree with it being 'hands down' or 'unquestionably' the only choice, as some have said.
He mixed some very good with some very bad in the final and unfortunately the worse stuff came at the most critical point of the game.
Kicking 5 wides and dropping another short is not good for any forward. That's irrespective of whatever standard the forward has set.
He had a similar outing against Tyrone, I think 1 from play was mixed with 5 or 6 misses.
On the other hand, he was excellent against Derry. He was also brilliant against Louth and Clare, but both games were hammerings and aren't exactly the types of games to be weighted too heavily.
I think Fenton should be a strong candidate. If either he or Clifford got it, I wouldn't see any issue.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1995 - 02/08/2023 18:52:39    2498741

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Replying To MesAmis:  ""Hands down"

That's what I don't get to be honest. I can see how you could think he's POTY but I don't get the idea that it's unquestionably correct.

Like no one can be seen to question Clifford being FOTY seems a bit odd to me. It's not just you JustSaying, I've seen it from other posters on here, on Twitter and from media pundits too.

The 5 poor wides in the final, 8 or so against Tyrone. Pointing that out doesn't mean that you think Clifford isn't a brilliant player just that may not have been FOTY this year.

The irony being that FOTY is going to be either David Clifford or James McCarthy it seems, both great players but neither deserving of the award this year imo."
I cannot seen how McCarthy could be player of the year - to me he was not anywhere near his best this year. I would say his was /is an exceptional player over the last10/11 years but I'm not sure if there is a prize for that except the well deserved 9 Ai's. and only Fitz is up there with him both outfield players having played continuously without missing any years. Of course Cluxton has his deserved 9 as well. What made that team so good was the number of exceptional players on all all lines of the field/team. It is strange the way these 'extra prizes' can be handed out and it is not long ago a guy got an All Star having never played in the defensive position he was picked for (he was neither Dublin or Kerry). I do not think McCarthy will worry whether he gets it.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2336 - 02/08/2023 19:33:47    2498744

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Delighted to see that Darragh O'Shea was unbiased in his selection of his the team of the year unlike the Sunday Game panel as I mentioned in my previous post. He picked 12 of the same players as the Sunday Game panel, but make three important changes that I fully agree with. He also put much more emphasis on critically evaluating the full year rather than being unduly influence by just the semi-finals and final. Most players in contention for selection would have played 7 league games and between 5 and 7 championship games which the Sunday Game panel obviously ignored and did not consider. Their job was supposed to be picking the team of THE YEAR in an unbiased way.
Darragh has shown that he was totally unbiased as he has only picked three Kerry players (rather than the 5 by the Sunday Game panel).
The three changes that he made were as follows:
* Gareth McKinless (Derry) instead of Tadhg Morley (Kerry) ----- Fully agree. McKinless was outstanding all year.
* Enda Smith (Roscommon) instead of Sean O Shea (Kerry) ----- Fully agree and very much deserved. Enda was outstanding in all 7 league matches and was MAN OF THE MATCH in THREE of the five championship matches that he played in. He did not have a bad match all year. What more could he be expected to do?
* Brian Howard (Dublin) instead of Paul Mannion (Dublin) ----- Fully agree. One good match should not get you into the team of the year. However Paul Mannion was the deserved man of the match in the All Ireland final. Brian Howard had a much better year.

Very well done Darragh. I agree with you 100%"
Unfortunately that's just his opinion. I mean the All stars /team of the year are supposed to be what it says on the tin "the Year" and years ago it used to be but nowadays you nearly have to get to an All ireland semi at least. Years ago a team that won the league would be guareteed an all star or two but not anymore. The league now is much harder to win. In fact with maybe the exception of the Ulster championship the League is the toughest competition to win bar the All ifeland
I'm fact a division one league medal is more important than a provincial medal imo. Mayo were deserved winners this year and will probably get zero all stars. Enda Smith for me deserves an all star and deserves one ahead of Seanie Ó Sé and a few others forhis constant top performances but I won't hold my breath.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3616 - 02/08/2023 19:49:02    2498746

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Cluxton (based on the final)

Mc Cluskey
Rodgers(cheating here)
Tom O Sullivan

Mc Carthy
Mc Kinless
Mc Carthy

Fenton
Tierney

Paudi C
Basquel
Howard

Clifford
Costello
Mc Guigan

POY. J. Mc Carthy

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 03/08/2023 00:05:02    2498767

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Delighted to see that Darragh O'Shea was unbiased in his selection of his the team of the year unlike the Sunday Game panel as I mentioned in my previous post. He picked 12 of the same players as the Sunday Game panel, but make three important changes that I fully agree with. He also put much more emphasis on critically evaluating the full year rather than being unduly influence by just the semi-finals and final. Most players in contention for selection would have played 7 league games and between 5 and 7 championship games which the Sunday Game panel obviously ignored and did not consider. Their job was supposed to be picking the team of THE YEAR in an unbiased way.
Darragh has shown that he was totally unbiased as he has only picked three Kerry players (rather than the 5 by the Sunday Game panel).
The three changes that he made were as follows:
* Gareth McKinless (Derry) instead of Tadhg Morley (Kerry) ----- Fully agree. McKinless was outstanding all year.
* Enda Smith (Roscommon) instead of Sean O Shea (Kerry) ----- Fully agree and very much deserved. Enda was outstanding in all 7 league matches and was MAN OF THE MATCH in THREE of the five championship matches that he played in. He did not have a bad match all year. What more could he be expected to do?
* Brian Howard (Dublin) instead of Paul Mannion (Dublin) ----- Fully agree. One good match should not get you into the team of the year. However Paul Mannion was the deserved man of the match in the All Ireland final. Brian Howard had a much better year.

Very well done Darragh. I agree with you 100%"
I'd love to see Enda or a Rossie make it after a fantastic year for him personally, but it won't happen. You don't get knocked out at last 16 stage and get an All Star, and don't think we can expect one either.

Once he is nominated, I don't think we can expect much more. Maybe if we beat Cork he'd be in contention for one but not how it works unfortunately!

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 116 - 03/08/2023 09:11:09    2498779

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Replying To hyperache:  "It's player of the year, not player of the All Ireland Final.. There's an award for that, it's called Man of the match."
Nice soundbite, but there isn't that clear separation. Like it or not, performance in a final matters massively in a POTY decision - simply because that is the game where the pressure is at its highest. A skill you could execute in your sleep in a league match becomes more difficult in an AI final due to sheer occasion-pressure, and the panel are right to take that into account. If you underperform in an AI final, you will have significantly damaged your chances of being POTY - and that's logical, imho. The AI final matters much more than previous matches.

I did think D O'Sé's selection was a good one though. Though they may never admit it publicly, fair-minded Kerry folk know they got thrown a few lifelines in that semi v Derry. And, due to the unpredictability of Ulster, Derry may not even get back to the closing stages of the competition next year, but Kerry will of course be there again. Nobody in Munster is out to "get Kerry", but rest assured plenty of Ulster teams will be gunning for Derry, and willl be doing so fully confident of beating them.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 229 - 03/08/2023 09:21:50    2498781

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