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Just wanted to give my opinion on recurring posts here that are being debated. Firstly I thought overall Gough was excellent considering the stakes and the conditions. Should Mccarthy have got the line? Yes he should have but once he didn't book him for that first high challenge it wasn't going to happen. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8208 - 01/08/2023 10:25:28 2498285 Link 3 |
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I'd say you must be a referee yourself Sindar or you have a great fondness for one… Gough gave all the marginal decisions to Dublin and McCarthy should have been off for persistent fouling…and didn't play the full allotted injury time .. no the sign of an outstanding referee…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 01/08/2023 10:32:33 2498288 Link 1 |
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Ní bhacaim le sórtachas ná tada dá leithéid! Buillí glana ó chroí na baise…
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 01/08/2023 10:33:12 2498289 Link 0 |
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You started out really trying not to let your bias come through, but now you're just making things up. Clifford and Fitzsimons were both fouling each other. The replay showed it as clear as day. The ref saw a foul on Clifford, so he stopped the game and awarded a free. The umpire confirmed that Clifford also fouled, the replay showed he pulled back Fitzsimons first. So he awarded a hop ball, absolutely correct. The last free was for an arm around the neck. It was as obvious a free as you'll get. I haven't seen it questioned by anyone except you. Time for a refresher of the rule book for you, including the 'silly' rules. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2223 - 01/08/2023 10:44:42 2498296 Link 4 |
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Are you smoking something…? You want game time increased when 90% of what's on offer is almost impossible to watch…. There wasn't 3 good games the whole year and you want people to be put through another 10 minutes of torture..? There definitely needs to be something done to change the dire quality of entertainment on offer in football but adding time to the length of games is the last thing we need at the moment… unless you fancy an extra 10 minutes asleep..!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 01/08/2023 10:58:00 2498302 Link 1 |
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I am a ref. Never hid that fact. Club level only. (Not in Roscommon in case anyone is trying to figure me out) Started only when I finished playing which was too late to move up. I wouldn't have had the temperment anyway. Can't imagine the pressure a ref is under in an AI Final with 80+ thousand 'expreasing' their opinions, other officials in his ear giving information and players testing him to the limit. Add in all the gamesmanship, the pre and post match media and social media which he can't avoid and we may be a little more understanding and appreciative of that level of excellence. Those refs are at a different level and I've met a few them or been on workshops with them. James Owens is one who stands out. Such a level of calmness on and off the field but will never be forgiven in KK for sending Richie Hogan off in an AI Final. Conor Lane made an error in 2021 and he was completely vilified after it. The list goes on. Part of the job you can say. And they are all amateurs. Just like the players, they have to earn a crust the following week and go back to their families. Some of them with young kids going to school who have to listen to their dad being unfairly criticised. I'm not saying refs should be free from criticism but it would be so much better if it was well informed. And I haven't read anything in this forum that could be considered abuse towards refs. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 01/08/2023 11:18:48 2498307 Link 3 |
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A good post but one point….. l have issue with you saying referees are the same as players… they get paid to do the job while players don't.. If you are paid to do any job then you deserve criticism if you don't carry out that job properly and I don't think Gough did his properly on Sunday… I do admit the GAA do not make the game any easier for the ref by continually changing the rules but the current President does himself or anyone else any goodby coming out after every game showering complements on the ref regardless of what mess he made…it just sounds pathetic.. hence he gets booed sometimes.. Fair play to you for taking up the job but it doesn't mean you have to agree with every single decision other referees make like your opinion on Gough's display… I like him as a ref but this was not his best day at the office…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 01/08/2023 12:23:27 2498318 Link 1 |
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Really great post. Very well said. Without referees we don't have games.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6153 - 01/08/2023 12:27:50 2498321 Link 1 |
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The ref made a mistake and should have restarted the game back where he stopped it.., 50/60m out with either a hop ball or Kerry retaining possession.. why were Kerry penalised if both got yellow cards..?The last free was for nothing when you see what was let go previously….and then he blew up early… You and Gough should take up the same refresher course you could swap little stories…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 01/08/2023 12:32:11 2498322 Link 1 |
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Lots giving out Gough didn't book Costello for blantant punch of O'Sullivan in stomach but I think he did in fact book him but off camera. RTE commentators say Costello taken off as a precaution of having yellow. Can anyone confirm he was booked? He could have had a few cards in reality!! Saw an article in Joe.ie where Cluxton had to pull him away from jostling O'Sullivan after the Dublin goal in case he was sent off for 2 yellows. It was hard to see on tv…if he was carded Snacks18 (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 01/08/2023 12:34:44 2498327 Link 1 |
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Refs don't get paid. They get their expenses just like the players out of which they have to cover their 4 umpires. No difference. Everyone has the right to express an opinion of course but you seem to suggest in your posts that Gough favoured the Dubs. Personally, I'd prefer to be called incompetent or blind rather than biased as a ref. It's the worst insult of all because it questions a person's integrity. Thanks for the appreciation. I enjoy the job. I would have been a woeful Admin and a mediocre coach so reffing keeps me hands on. Mostly an enjoyable experience but you have the odd bad day for one reason or another. The worst is when you know you made a mistake that cost a team the game. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 01/08/2023 13:26:45 2498344 Link 3 |
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Cluxton is the best keeper I have seen but I too was unsure of his comeback for 2 reasons. Upsetting the other 2 Keepers and his age. Then I saw him misjudge a ball in croke park for one game where he thought it was a point and ran around the goal for quick kickout but the ball hit crossbar and nearly a goal. Also he fluffed a ball v Monaghan so I thought he might be a weakness too. I was wrong. Pat was wrong! But why try use this a cheapshot. Many Dublin friends of mine were very unsure of his comeback and two ex Dublin footballers i spoke to thought it was a bad move. We were all wrong. Enjoy the win Joxer. Why try score points now.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 01/08/2023 13:51:14 2498349 Link 0 |
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BBC coverage had Maurice Deegan on who explained in real time why Gough was correct. Pity RTE don't have the same.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 161 - 01/08/2023 13:56:34 2498350 Link 1 |
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Costello 100% got a yellow.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13780 - 01/08/2023 14:02:28 2498353 Link 3 |
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It's not a cheap shot Mick. On the contrary Spillane was having a cheap shot at the Dublin management team and disrespecting the greatest goalkeeper to have ever played the game. Spillane was deliberately stirring it up, we all know that, and it's no harm to point out that this came back to haunt him. Cluxton has been magnificent since his return, keeper, scorer, leader. His value to any team should never be called a "joke" especially by somebody who is supposed to be an expert on the game.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 01/08/2023 14:04:47 2498355 Link 4 |
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A few of those frees were indeed from fouls from Fitzsimmons. Clifford has scored 9 points from play and 2 marks v Fitzsimmons in his last 3 championship games. Just google the statistics. David has played 4 championship games v Dublin. 2019 draw (marked by Cooper before red card) and different markers afterwards. David scored 2 points. Replay marked by Mick Fitz he scores 5 points (4 from play). 2022 semi he scored 6 points (3 from play) and a mark. This year 3 points (2 from play). These are facts. Of course I'm backing up my own but I watch game again Clifford burned Mick Fitz on a few occasions but it was his shooting that left him down. David has been marshaller well before but Cork are the team that have held him best. Clifford is being judged by his own high standards. Look at Con who was very quiet and Clifford brilliantly set up a goal s ored two excellent points from play. Fouled for another and set up another few scores. If it was anyone else they say he had a good final and a bit more luck he d have scored 1-8 or 1-9.Clifford won nearly every single ball off Mick and got inside him but his shooting was askew.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 01/08/2023 14:09:45 2498358 Link 1 |
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Correct CiarraiMick, small margins, if Cluxtons fluffed ball against Monaghan had have dropped to his left it was a goal. Same with Clifford, small margins, on another day he would have an extra 4 points but not to be.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2179 - 01/08/2023 14:10:56 2498359 Link 3 |
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A referee said yesterday that when the ref changed his mind and found both players equally culpable then he should have brought the ball b ack to the original spot and given Kerry an indirect free. Basically Kerry have the ball. Not sure how true this is.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 01/08/2023 14:13:37 2498361 Link 0 |
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There is nothing worse as you say as a biased ref and I think Gough favoured Dublin in the game…. And it must be difficult when a ref knows he made a mistake which cost a team in a big game but it seems to be a lot more difficult for them to come out afterwards and admit their blunders….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3259 - 01/08/2023 14:17:25 2498365 Link 1 |
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In fairness now Mick Pat was the one to use some language that didn't sit well.. "A joke" Well yep, jokes on you Pat indeed. Joxer there had his say on a GAA forum. Pat on the other hand said as much in the national media for all to share and read If you're going to put it out, expect a bit of point scoring back In fact.. go shove it up your **** Pat jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20699 - 01/08/2023 14:17:49 2498366 Link 3 |