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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Apologies Midleton for my last reply I don't mean it to be so aggressive. I get very wound up about the €160 licence fee. It could buy a nice bit of electricity or gas for someone this day and age if they didn't need to pay it. I feel like a mug ever putting my name down for it, can't avoid it now."
As Bill used to say, "We'll leave it there, so."

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 25/06/2023 14:19:48    2489106

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Ah here. You think it's insulting to a person if they have to ask for advice or assistance on something they haven't done before?

A few weeks ago, I had to re-roof a small shed here. Hadn't a clue how to get started. Asked for advice from a neighbour who's a builder. He set me on the right track. Job done, and I'll know now how to do the same if I ever have to do it again in future.

Do I feel insulted by having to ask for advice and assistance? No.

Have already told how my parents in their late 70s and early 80s have learned how to stream any match they want. How do you think they learned? I showed them.

Were they insulted by having to take my advice and follow my instructions? No.

Do you ever have to learn how to do something new, whether it be in work, leisure, or anything else? Do you feel insulted by having to learn from others rather than having automatic and limitless knowledge of everything?

Please answer those ones yourself."
I've never asked anyone how to do things. When I had to learn anything new, I learned it from books or magazine articles, latterly from You Tube. I don't think everyone is the same as myself. I know they aren't. And that works both ways.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 25/06/2023 14:29:27    2489111

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Replying To Midleton:  "All, I know is that when I watch it, the only adverts it shows are for it's own programs. Perhaps you'll explain to a clueless person what this commercial arm consists of?"
The BBC sells it's programmes to other TV companies all over the world.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 25/06/2023 15:22:15    2489128

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Replying To Midleton:  "I've never asked anyone how to do things. When I had to learn anything new, I learned it from books or magazine articles, latterly from You Tube. I don't think everyone is the same as myself. I know they aren't. And that works both ways."
This is getting silly.

Did you never have a teacher in school, or a lecturer in college, or never have to attend a training course for work?

And while I obviously don't know what you do for a living, did you never have a case when starting a new job that one of your new colleagues had to show the processes and routines for that particular workplace?

Fact remains that it's not insulting to a person to ask for help or advice on something they haven't done before. We all do it all the time. Even searching YouTube for an instructional video, as you do yourself, is a form of it.

Here's one for you. Let's say RTE realise their "mistake" in not broadcasting every match free to air, and pledge to do so in future. And by way of compensation to older people who've been missing out so far, they even supply them all with a brand new high-quality TV to watch all these extra matches on.

But many of these older people don't know how to tune in their new TVs, or plug in the various cables, or figure out what some of the buttons on their new remote controls are for. Would it be insulting for them to have to ask for help or advice on that?????

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 25/06/2023 17:58:14    2489203

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "This is getting silly.

Did you never have a teacher in school, or a lecturer in college, or never have to attend a training course for work?

And while I obviously don't know what you do for a living, did you never have a case when starting a new job that one of your new colleagues had to show the processes and routines for that particular workplace?

Fact remains that it's not insulting to a person to ask for help or advice on something they haven't done before. We all do it all the time. Even searching YouTube for an instructional video, as you do yourself, is a form of it.

Here's one for you. Let's say RTE realise their "mistake" in not broadcasting every match free to air, and pledge to do so in future. And by way of compensation to older people who've been missing out so far, they even supply them all with a brand new high-quality TV to watch all these extra matches on.

But many of these older people don't know how to tune in their new TVs, or plug in the various cables, or figure out what some of the buttons on their new remote controls are for. Would it be insulting for them to have to ask for help or advice on that?????"
Excuse me now, but you are the one being silly. There is a hell of a difference between training for a job you have to do to earn a living and learning something which simply gives you a bit of pleasure. The first one is necessary, the second one is not. There is no comparison at all. Some people are so taken up with themselves that it never occurs to them that other people might be different.

Granted that families help each other out - or try to, at any rate, but even the attempt at helping does not always help.
Way back in the embryo days of mobile phones, my sister, whom we used to visit every Christmas, had a mobile but didn't know how use the text function. She said her daughter tried to show her, but she just couldn't understand her instructions. I managed to show her how it was done in two minutes flat. In another minute she texting her unbelieving daughter.

With the best will in the world, the young are not patient, and sometimes the gap in the way people think is too wide.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 25/06/2023 19:23:16    2489242

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Replying To Midleton:  "Excuse me now, but you are the one being silly. There is a hell of a difference between training for a job you have to do to earn a living and learning something which simply gives you a bit of pleasure. The first one is necessary, the second one is not. There is no comparison at all. Some people are so taken up with themselves that it never occurs to them that other people might be different.

Granted that families help each other out - or try to, at any rate, but even the attempt at helping does not always help.
Way back in the embryo days of mobile phones, my sister, whom we used to visit every Christmas, had a mobile but didn't know how use the text function. She said her daughter tried to show her, but she just couldn't understand her instructions. I managed to show her how it was done in two minutes flat. In another minute she texting her unbelieving daughter.

With the best will in the world, the young are not patient, and sometimes the gap in the way people think is too wide."
No midleton you are the only one being silly.
there very much is a comparison.
you are completely unfair and ridiculous generalising young people as not patient.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3746 - 25/06/2023 19:32:12    2489249

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Replying To KillingFields:  "No midleton you are the only one being silly.
there very much is a comparison.
you are completely unfair and ridiculous generalising young people as not patient."
I am merely relating my experience. Now you're speculating that I'm generalizing. Who's being unfair here? As for comparisons, anything can be compared to anything else; it's just a question of how relevant that comparison is.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 25/06/2023 20:07:03    2489275

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The BBC sells it's programmes to other TV companies all over the world."
I believe RTE does a bit of selling, as well. Of course they make more, so they sell more. But that is also an income RTE has.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 25/06/2023 20:11:21    2489277

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A standalone post.



It's now seen that RTE is not a squeaky-clean business by the same token neither is the gaa a squeaky-clean organization, both lack openness and transparency, I never implied or am I implying they are dishonest, without openness and transparency you must decide for yourself about their level of honesty.



GAA GO is a pay wall used in an amateur sport by an amateur organization for financial gains, it's owned 50% by the gaa and 50% by RTE, RTE own the hardware, software and tech's etc, gaa own the games, their offices are in RTE buildings.



When RTE's equipment and stuff is being put to professional use they are entitled to be financially compensated fairly and accordingly whereas the GAA get compensated at the "turnstiles" etc but a pay / view, or pay wall whichever, it's a no, no out of the question.



It made a profit of 700,000 in 2020, slightly more than I million in 2022, it's expected to make a much bigger profit in 2023 with gate receipts up so too are the number of games in both codes.



Larry Mc Carthy refused to divulge his annual salary when asked how much he was being paid, he said it's not in anyone's interest to know his salary.? When questioned by a journalist recently about GAA Go he refused to answer and walked away.

T & C apply but not Openness and Transparency etc. It seems.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3166 - 26/06/2023 10:44:33    2489429

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Replying To Midleton:  "Excuse me now, but you are the one being silly. There is a hell of a difference between training for a job you have to do to earn a living and learning something which simply gives you a bit of pleasure. The first one is necessary, the second one is not. There is no comparison at all. Some people are so taken up with themselves that it never occurs to them that other people might be different.

Granted that families help each other out - or try to, at any rate, but even the attempt at helping does not always help.
Way back in the embryo days of mobile phones, my sister, whom we used to visit every Christmas, had a mobile but didn't know how use the text function. She said her daughter tried to show her, but she just couldn't understand her instructions. I managed to show her how it was done in two minutes flat. In another minute she texting her unbelieving daughter.

With the best will in the world, the young are not patient, and sometimes the gap in the way people think is too wide."
Did your sister feel insulted by needing your help, or was she grateful for it?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 26/06/2023 12:05:31    2489479

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This tread is about the gap between what the GAA/RTE have rolled out as a means to view Gaelic Games and the older generation, to which many dedicated significant amount of voluntary time. The suggestion from the original poster (avonali) that the GAA and RTE are not bothered about the older generation is valid.
Most older people don't have smart TV's and if viewing a match on your phone is seen as progress then maybe we need to be discussing the definition of the word progress instead.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 26/06/2023 12:46:30    2489513

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Did your sister feel insulted by needing your help, or was she grateful for it?"
If all you can ask is silly questions, why do you bother posting? It's the sort of "got you" remark a child might make.

I wasn't talking about people from the same family.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 26/06/2023 15:56:42    2489670

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Replying To Midleton:  "If all you can ask is silly questions, why do you bother posting? It's the sort of "got you" remark a child might make.

I wasn't talking about people from the same family."
It's not a silly question. It goes back to your contention that it's insulting for people to have to ask for help with technological things that are new to them. Whether they ask a relation or a neighbour or a friend is surely immaterial.

However, I do agree that this is getting silly. No point going any further with it.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 26/06/2023 17:34:51    2489737

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Some I always laugh at with all this is people saying the GAA are only interested in money etc as If to say you don't have to pay to actually go to games.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1580 - 26/06/2023 20:08:34    2489790

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I will tell you what is insulting.

Asking me to pay a TV licence where I have no idea where the cash is going, and then asking me to pay again for 2 all Ireland Quarter finals.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2928 - 27/06/2023 08:13:10    2489838

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Replying To sponger:  "I will tell you what is insulting.

Asking me to pay a TV licence where I have no idea where the cash is going, and then asking me to pay again for 2 all Ireland Quarter finals."
Wasn't there enough GAA action for you shown on RTE over the weekend? On Sunday alone, there was 9 hours of GAA sport shown on RTE1 and RTE2, most of it live action.
Or do you want RTE to show wall-to-wall coverage of live football and hurling games, and sod all the other licence payers who have no interest in the sports.
RTE's gets it's income from licence fees and advertising. This money (budgets) is allocated to various internal departments, news, drama, sport, etc.
If they didn't change pay-per-view for extra GAA games, then them games would never be shown.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 27/06/2023 09:32:26    2489865

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Wasn't there enough GAA action for you shown on RTE over the weekend? On Sunday alone, there was 9 hours of GAA sport shown on RTE1 and RTE2, most of it live action.
Or do you want RTE to show wall-to-wall coverage of live football and hurling games, and sod all the other licence payers who have no interest in the sports.
RTE's gets it's income from licence fees and advertising. This money (budgets) is allocated to various internal departments, news, drama, sport, etc.
If they didn't change pay-per-view for extra GAA games, then them games would never be shown."
That good sir is total horse ****

They have enough channels to show them on.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2928 - 27/06/2023 10:10:42    2489893

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Replying To sponger:  "That good sir is total horse ****

They have enough channels to show them on."
So where is the money going to come from to show these extra games?
You do realise that the €160 licence fee is not solely for the benefit of GAA fans?

And you have the gall to accuse me of 'horse ****'.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 27/06/2023 10:30:09    2489900

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Replying To sponger:  "That good sir is total horse ****

They have enough channels to show them on."
Apart from sick or elderly why do people who never go to a game expect all Co games to be on free to air TV?
Gey out in the air and go to a few local club games.
Warning!! Ye'll have to pay in to some of them.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2275 - 27/06/2023 10:35:13    2489906

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Wasn't there enough GAA action for you shown on RTE over the weekend? On Sunday alone, there was 9 hours of GAA sport shown on RTE1 and RTE2, most of it live action.
Or do you want RTE to show wall-to-wall coverage of live football and hurling games, and sod all the other licence payers who have no interest in the sports.
RTE's gets it's income from licence fees and advertising. This money (budgets) is allocated to various internal departments, news, drama, sport, etc.
If they didn't change pay-per-view for extra GAA games, then them games would never be shown."
I've been watching Tipp Cork & Limerick Clare hurling games live on rte for the last 25 years..
I'd hardly say they have all of a sudden become additional games!
You talk about the 9 hours on Sunday as if rte are hero's to the gaa community. The countries interest in tcup semi finals is no more greater than that of the counties playing in them. Note the attendance..

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 27/06/2023 11:01:25    2489924

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