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Replying To avonali:  "With the increasing number of IC games now only accessible to those with technology and decent broadband you could only. conclude that RTE is no longer bothered to cater for its older viewers. I think it's shameful. The GAA doesn't seem to bother either. It's always about the bottom line now and that goes right against the ethos of our national sport"
Spot on avonali.

RTE are a public broadcaster and we pay the license to support it. The GAA would tell you that their job is to promote the national games. How are they promoting it by hiding some of the best games behind a paywall?

Of course, we have the usual "I'm all right, Jack" crew on here, caring about nobody but themselves, which attitude only encourages the GAA in its pecuniary ambitions. Make no mistake about it; the GAA are mainly to blame, not RTE.

Does anyone remember when TG4 showed the first Saturday evening under floodlights match broadcast? It was between Cork and Kerry in Pairc Ui Rinn, and it was a right good match, which my brother attended while I watched it on TV. Not long after the GAA took those matches off TG4 and gave them to pay channel Setanta.

Then they took free-to-view matches off TV 3 and gave them to Sky.

On both occasions they lied that it was to make the games more available to Irish people living abroad. On both occasions, it was simply about more money.

But go ahead and support those lying greedy people. They're only laughing at you.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 22/06/2023 19:02:48    2488512

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "€12 and you can turn it off when you like… great value.
€25 for Donegal V Monaghan and your car blocked in around Jackson's Hotel when you decide to go early having watched enough of that S@@@e!
Easy choice.."
You'd have some walk from Healy Park where Monaghan v Donegal were playing to Jackson's hotel. Do Cavan people ever look on the bright side after a great weekends football. Gloom. gloom, gloom.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2288 - 22/06/2023 21:58:34    2488524

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "€12 and you can turn it off when you like… great value.
€25 for Donegal V Monaghan and your car blocked in around Jackson's Hotel when you decide to go early having watched enough of that S@@@e!
Easy choice.."
I watched Down vs. Cavan on GAAGo. I didn't turn it off at all!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2198 - 23/06/2023 04:47:21    2488530

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Good points Midleton about earlier attempts to create a pay per view model.

TG4 have been badly treated by GAA despite its commitment in our own constitution to promote the use of our own language.

Would not surprise me if GAAGO attempt to muscle in on club games that would normally be shown on TG4 - ie. big ones!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3476 - 23/06/2023 08:02:14    2488534

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Replying To avonali:  "With the increasing number of IC games now only accessible to those with technology and decent broadband you could only. conclude that RTE is no longer bothered to cater for its older viewers. I think it's shameful. The GAA doesn't seem to bother either. It's always about the bottom line now and that goes right against the ethos of our national sport"
simple business model really.

Old people will be dead soon so cant make money from someone in the ground. Younger people more willing to splurge than the last generation so marketing to them is 100% the correct choice from a business perspective. I doubt people in many fields sit around a board room and think "how can we make less money and cater to a cliental that wont be around for much longer"

DCFCGAA (Derry) - Posts: 65 - 23/06/2023 08:31:02    2488549

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dont forget GAAGO is a great service for the hundreds of thousands living elsewhere trying for a better life

DCFCGAA (Derry) - Posts: 65 - 23/06/2023 08:34:21    2488550

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Replying To befair:  "More important for the elderly is to ensure team colours are contrasting. My eyesight is deteriorating and I found it difficult to distinguish between Armagh and Galway strips at the weekend. Both wore white shorts, and, to my eyes, dark jerseys."
My eyesight, like most peoples, is also deteriorating as I get older. But I wear a pair of glasses to counteract it.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 23/06/2023 08:54:37    2488556

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Replying To Saynothing:  "You'd have some walk from Healy Park where Monaghan v Donegal were playing to Jackson's hotel. Do Cavan people ever look on the bright side after a great weekends football. Gloom. gloom, gloom."
Ment Donegal V Tyrone this Saturday. What a load of negative tripe that will be .
My point is GAAGO is better value than actually going to some of the games.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 23/06/2023 08:55:50    2488557

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I watched Down vs. Cavan on GAAGo. I didn't turn it off at all!"
But at least you had the option if needed.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 23/06/2023 08:56:57    2488558

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I watched Down vs. Cavan on GAAGo. I didn't turn it off at all!"
Couldn't find the remote?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 23/06/2023 08:57:23    2488559

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Ment Donegal V Tyrone this Saturday. What a load of negative tripe that will be .
My point is GAAGO is better value than actually going to some of the games."
I think it could be a decent enough game. Neither defence is watertight anymore, and Donegal seem to be operating a shoot on sight policy! The first half against Monaghan the last day was as good a display of point taking as you'll see. Now Tyrone will be a step up again, but I'd be hopeful of another good display. As for the other crowd, young Canavan appears to be ominously stepping up to be the main man for Tyrone. Worth seeing in the flesh too, to see how we can handle him.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9746 - 23/06/2023 10:45:58    2488586

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Replying To Midleton:  "Spot on avonali.

RTE are a public broadcaster and we pay the license to support it. The GAA would tell you that their job is to promote the national games. How are they promoting it by hiding some of the best games behind a paywall?

Of course, we have the usual "I'm all right, Jack" crew on here, caring about nobody but themselves, which attitude only encourages the GAA in its pecuniary ambitions. Make no mistake about it; the GAA are mainly to blame, not RTE.

Does anyone remember when TG4 showed the first Saturday evening under floodlights match broadcast? It was between Cork and Kerry in Pairc Ui Rinn, and it was a right good match, which my brother attended while I watched it on TV. Not long after the GAA took those matches off TG4 and gave them to pay channel Setanta.

Then they took free-to-view matches off TV 3 and gave them to Sky.

On both occasions they lied that it was to make the games more available to Irish people living abroad. On both occasions, it was simply about more money.

But go ahead and support those lying greedy people. They're only laughing at you."
I was never for the Sky deal for the reasons you mention mainly around availability.

I think the GAA GO is a different issue. RTE only has so much bandwidth.

I'd be interested in whether TG4 would have the capacity to show All Ireland Championship to the production level required.

It'd be great if they could but I think that gets lost in the conversation here, there is a cost to providing these games and it has to be covered somewhere along the line.

You know what I'm not an expert on it but I'd be very interested if someone had figures on how much GAA GO makes less costs. I'd be surprised if it was actually a major money spinner for the GAA. If it was very profitable I'd have bigger questions. If it's small profitable then it's providing access that wouldn't otherwise be available and isn't screwing the membership in the process and I can't see how people could have issue with that.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4516 - 23/06/2023 11:00:29    2488592

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Replying To DCFCGAA:  "simple business model really.

Old people will be dead soon so cant make money from someone in the ground. Younger people more willing to splurge than the last generation so marketing to them is 100% the correct choice from a business perspective. I doubt people in many fields sit around a board room and think "how can we make less money and cater to a cliental that wont be around for much longer""
Moderator. Time to take DCFCGAA off the forum for constant trolling. For example, this morning s/he appeared on the Roscommon thread at 8.26, 8.27 and 8.28. before moving on to this thread at 8.31. Might be worth checking also if s/he has a couple of accounts.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 723 - 23/06/2023 11:13:26    2488595

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Easy to see now why Ryan Tubridy jumped ship, he knew what was coming, makes me sick to think we are forced to pay a licence fee to pay out over half a million a year to the the likes of him, over and under the table,
great wee country all the same.
And him on there most Friday nights crying about raising money for the latest charity or other, and they are another bloody racket."
His sponsors and ads around the Late Late and radio show gives RTE a lot more revenue than his salary.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7927 - 23/06/2023 11:33:08    2488603

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Replying To Midleton:  "Spot on avonali.

RTE are a public broadcaster and we pay the license to support it. The GAA would tell you that their job is to promote the national games. How are they promoting it by hiding some of the best games behind a paywall?

Of course, we have the usual "I'm all right, Jack" crew on here, caring about nobody but themselves, which attitude only encourages the GAA in its pecuniary ambitions. Make no mistake about it; the GAA are mainly to blame, not RTE.

Does anyone remember when TG4 showed the first Saturday evening under floodlights match broadcast? It was between Cork and Kerry in Pairc Ui Rinn, and it was a right good match, which my brother attended while I watched it on TV. Not long after the GAA took those matches off TG4 and gave them to pay channel Setanta.

Then they took free-to-view matches off TV 3 and gave them to Sky.

On both occasions they lied that it was to make the games more available to Irish people living abroad. On both occasions, it was simply about more money.

But go ahead and support those lying greedy people. They're only laughing at you."
How is €160 for a licence fee not a paywall? Unless you get a free licence. GAAGO for the year us half that amount.

Skysports showed very few GAA games in comparison to GAAGO and very games, if any on Catchup.

You're not comparing like for like.

What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7927 - 23/06/2023 11:45:47    2488606

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think it could be a decent enough game. Neither defence is watertight anymore, and Donegal seem to be operating a shoot on sight policy! The first half against Monaghan the last day was as good a display of point taking as you'll see. Now Tyrone will be a step up again, but I'd be hopeful of another good display. As for the other crowd, young Canavan appears to be ominously stepping up to be the main man for Tyrone. Worth seeing in the flesh too, to see how we can handle him."
It needs to be decent it's knockout football.
I'd fancy Donegal simple because they seem to be improving

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 23/06/2023 11:47:01    2488607

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Replying To DCFCGAA:  "simple business model really.

Old people will be dead soon so cant make money from someone in the ground. Younger people more willing to splurge than the last generation so marketing to them is 100% the correct choice from a business perspective. I doubt people in many fields sit around a board room and think "how can we make less money and cater to a cliental that wont be around for much longer""
Here's hoping you have no elderly relatives if that's your thinking. Wee bit of respect.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2288 - 23/06/2023 12:01:00    2488616

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Replying To DCFCGAA:  "simple business model really.

Old people will be dead soon so cant make money from someone in the ground. Younger people more willing to splurge than the last generation so marketing to them is 100% the correct choice from a business perspective. I doubt people in many fields sit around a board room and think "how can we make less money and cater to a cliental that wont be around for much longer""
Stick to the oul Tan football.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3476 - 23/06/2023 12:06:31    2488620

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think it could be a decent enough game. Neither defence is watertight anymore, and Donegal seem to be operating a shoot on sight policy! The first half against Monaghan the last day was as good a display of point taking as you'll see. Now Tyrone will be a step up again, but I'd be hopeful of another good display. As for the other crowd, young Canavan appears to be ominously stepping up to be the main man for Tyrone. Worth seeing in the flesh too, to see how we can handle him."
Lockjaw, I'm sure you're hoping " that other crowd " have an off day. Time for Tyrone to get their year underway, they play better under pressure. Can't wait and then Galway v Mayo to come.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2288 - 23/06/2023 12:10:29    2488623

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "How is €160 for a licence fee not a paywall? Unless you get a free licence. GAAGO for the year us half that amount.

Skysports showed very few GAA games in comparison to GAAGO and very games, if any on Catchup.

You're not comparing like for like.

What should RTE and the GAA be doing differently, do you think, on current budget ?"
The license fee is not a paywall. If you don't pay it, you can still watch TV. I've always paid it, myself, but I've know people who have avoided paying it for years.

GAAGO is a paywall; if you don't pay it, you can't watch whatever event it covers.

A paywall is a paywall; how many games it covers is beside the point.

The GAA will tell you it is an amateur organization. That is true. The core of the organization, the players, are not paid. For what reason then, has it become so greedy? Is it to pay its executives business-style salaries?

https://www.offtheball.com/football/gaa-executive-pay-croke-park-averaged-e125845-2019-965684#:~:text=It%20reveals%20there%20are%2014,14%20is%20%E2%82%AC125%2C%20845.

Despite what some people on here like to aver, there are people who cannot access services like GAAGO because they cannot understand how to do it. Because of things like upbringing , education and -yes, age, as well -, all people are not alike. So we should just abandon them? I also consider it an insult that people on here expect people like that, who have been independent all their lives, to go begging for assistance to relatives or friends.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 23/06/2023 12:33:46    2488635

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