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Do they not have a separate exit plan? That you have to go out through the showgrounds?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 28/08/2023 15:18:56 2502652 Link 0 |
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Its easy to go on about the volume of games but you need to talk facts. 12 teams reach finals. 24 teams reach semis. In the case of the hurling championship 10 clubs made the finals as a result of Naomh Eanna and Craanford making 2 finals. There are 46 clubs in wexford - therefore approx 80% of the teams had a week off and over 50% of the teams had 2 weeks off under this system. so a lot of players do get a break. If you take a look at the teams in the hurling finals last week. 50% of them won their first round this week 50% didn't so I wouldn't say they were significantly disadvantaged by not having a break. As a player (when I was playing) I always loved having games. way better than endless training anyway so in an imperfect world i'd say what we have now is way better than what we had. Anyone who comes up with a system that ticks all the boxes i'd love to hear it. but where you have a 16 week window to run off championship in 2 codes its not easy to please everyone. indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 28/08/2023 15:20:11 2502654 Link 0 |
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That was abandoned this year for some reason
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 28/08/2023 15:27:24 2502659 Link 0 |
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They were supposed to bring that in but I've been there a good few times this year and didn't see it in operation
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 28/08/2023 15:35:41 2502662 Link 0 |
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Just to answer the question another way - What would be "wrong" with four groups of four is that there'd be fewer games for each club. Say it was a case of top two in each group go through to quarter-finals, third place is finished, and bottom in each group goes into relegation semi-finals: - Two clubs (the finalists) would get six games - Four clubs (the losing semi-finalists, and the two in the relegation final) would get five games - Six clubs (the four losing quarter-finalists, and the two who win the relegation semi-finals) would get four games - Four clubs (the ones who finish third in the group) would get only three games So while an argument often put forward to support a return to a 16-team senior championship is that more clubs and more players competing at the top level would be good for hurling overall, the other side of that coin is that the ones already competing at the top level would have fewer games against others at that level. It would help with the fixtures scheduling issue though, because only needing six rounds instead of eight would mean you could build in a rest week or two, or provision to have replays on a weekend instead of midweek. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 28/08/2023 15:38:04 2502663 Link 0 |
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Very long story made very short is that Showgrounds Committee are no longer cooperating in that. I don't know all the details, but am led to believe it's down to the Showgrounds people rather than Wexford GAA.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 28/08/2023 15:43:13 2502667 Link 0 |
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Agree with a lot of your post but I think it's ridiculous & unfair that players who get to a hurling final are out the following week in football. Definitely needs to be something implemented where there is an actual weekend off after hurling before football starts. Even just for lads to get away for a few days, give the bodies a break, enjoy themselves after getting to a final etc.
oneteamman (Wexford) - Posts: 41 - 28/08/2023 15:47:49 2502671 Link 0 |
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In football especially I'd say there isn't a huge difference between teams like Sars and Bunclody, and Intermediate teams like Martins, Gorey, Ferns, Horeswood, Cushinstown, Taghmon, Clongeen Mary's etc. In hurling Jimmies left the Intermediate final against Cloughbawn behind them in the 2nd half, while the same could be said of Taghmon in their semi final. And anyone around me watching the other semi final felt that Fethard were the better team for most of it. Tara Rocks beat Taghmon and St James in the group stages and only lost narrowly to Fethard also. I don't think there was anything between those 5 teams this year. I agree the top few teams in hurling and football might give some of the teams listed above a trimming or 2, but that might help their players improve individually, as they would get experience playing on better players more regularly. That could only be good for the county teams down the line also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 28/08/2023 15:53:50 2502672 Link 0 |
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In football especially I'd say there isn't a huge difference between teams like Sars and Bunclody, and Intermediate teams like Martins, Gorey, Ferns, Horeswood, Cushinstown, Taghmon, Clongeen Mary's etc. In hurling Jimmies left the Intermediate final against Cloughbawn behind them in the 2nd half, while the same could be said of Taghmon in their semi final. And anyone around me watching the other semi final felt that Fethard were the better team for most of it. Tara Rocks beat Taghmon and St James in the group stages and only lost narrowly to Fethard also. I don't think there was anything between those 5 teams this year. I agree the top few teams in hurling and football might give some of the teams listed above a trimming or 2, but that might help their players improve individually, as they would get experience playing on better players more regularly. That could only be good for the county teams down the line also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 28/08/2023 15:55:19 2502673 Link 0 |
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I thought the issue at hand was too many games and not enough rest weeks? You could have 3rd v 2nd in preliminary QFs from the groups of 4 to get 1 more game in? Or stick with the status quo and have no rest weeks. As it is there are posters on other threads wanting the Intercounty season extended again to August, so up or down there isn't likely to be any more than 16 weeks to run the club championships in, if anything there might be less. And if by some chance we get what we want, I.e. more successful Wexford teams at intercounty level, we won't even have 16 weeks.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 28/08/2023 16:01:46 2502677 Link 0 |
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At inter county people want the All-Ireland in September, but the managers won't give up the players until the All-Ireland is over. Cue lamenting galore about the championship being done in July but if managers want a split season, this is the upshot. Storeytash had a calendar a few months back with designated club windows, to me this is the only way forward if the welfare of club players even partly comes in to the equation. If inter county managers won't release players for 2 week slots, fine the county significantly or dock them points in their round robin. Inter county is so full of palaver and lies that managers would have players feigning injuries is the upshot. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 28/08/2023 16:43:00 2502686 Link 0 |
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Could be said that the real issue is that finding a solution to one issue then creates another issue that needs a different solution, which may very well go against the first solution! For instance, that system of four groups of four would solve the issue of not being able to have a rest week or two....but then it creates the other issue (as many would perceive it) of not enough games for each club in peak championship season. Even your proposed solution to some clubs only getting three games - i.e. introduce preliminary quarter-finals, so that all would get at least four - then creates another issue of it now taking seven rounds to complete, instead of eight. So less scope for rest weeks or replays the following weekend instead of midweek. Bottom line is that there's no perfect solution that's going to solve everything. If there was, somebody would have hit upon it by now after more than 100 years of trying, and then there'd be no need for these sort of discussions at all. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 28/08/2023 17:10:43 2502699 Link 0 |
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What I was trying to say was the players need a window and coaches too where they know they can take a week off plan a holiday ,family holiday ,with friends etc scheduled kn at the start of the year so people can plan . Don't forget bar a small percentage most are doing it for free . I kniw in my own situation its ridiculous thst I m expected to be available for almost every weekend be it adult hurling football or underage . I m starting to feel the pressure in my own life work balance. You could say walk away but if that's not in your nature you won't and I m not saying no one else will do it but there a very few thst will anymore just go to clubs and ask hiw hard it is to get people to take teams .feb until November inc u21 without scheduled breaks in July or August us a long time . So let's think of the coaches s too when we decide where we want to go with fixtures . Player welfare is most important but you need people to guide the shop too . I would love to see a situation where I know I can book a holiday ,break ,have a week off and not feel like I m letting people down . The balance os nt right at present end of story . Constant niggles county v club , not just adult anymore the average player is being belittled and left behind in all aspects of development in the hope the county will prosper at adult maybe 2 maybe 3 from a club . Then when they return to club it's like sure its only club I don't have to work as hard or be as committed . Might just skip the football this year take a break sure I m county now . The hurling manager said football is **** sure . You need a rest to be fresh . I don't blame the player it's the mindset from the hurling monarchy pedalling the tripe to the young impressionsble players . No different than the soccer managers telling young lads they are good enough to make it impressionable parents and kids get sucked jn and decide to stick to the one code at way too young an age in the hope they will get some sort of reward for discovering the next Robbie Keane . hurling v football debate will always be there I know but maybe just maybe if the structure was better the improvement in both might just come about. We need more quality games not just games for sake of games . I ve never seen or heard if as many players taking time off during championship . Ah sure the coaches managers will keep it going . Wake up before its too late . Not aimed as critical reply just a rant about the situation Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 29/08/2023 07:40:18 2502746 Link 0 |
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I totally understand the system my problem is fact county takes too much precedent . The county should work round club not club round county. Minor now can't start properly until u17s go out of ll ireland or leinster both is thst what we voted for . Yes they have a lesser leagye to contend in the meantime . Then underage held up again late august for and underage intercount y completions Ie. Tony forrutal Michael foley etc Oh yea in the middle of club season . If yiu get my point . We gave been manipulated into taking the 16 week period so as revenue for gaa is increased. Do you think fir one minute that if the inter County was nt working financially the seasons would nt be changed . Joe Public who follows county dont give a flying f about club. But their financial support for county sways the high table Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 29/08/2023 07:52:15 2502747 Link 0 |
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Yes, its like whack-a-mole. Fix one, break another. But I think if everybody would give a little, it would help everybody. I think the GAA needs to figure out what it is about. Is it all about the elite, or is it about playing numbers, participation, and keeping the club ethos alive across the country? The 2 can co - exist, but only if the inter county game gives the club game room to breathe and have designated club weeks. Else, clubs would be best off playing without the inter county players and getting compensated for not having them. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 29/08/2023 10:01:29 2502773 Link 0 |
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You would likely get even more players not committing to intercounty then.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 29/08/2023 10:36:42 2502783 Link 0 |
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In response to your two posts: Club minor championships not starting until after the inter-county sides are finished is no different to adult club championships not starting until after the senior inter-county sides are finished. Not so much a case of voting for it - more a case of that's just how it is. On other underage championships - yes, there's a gap of two to three weeks in U14 and U16, between the end of the group stage and the start of the knock-outs. And yes, this does allow for preparation of the county sides for tournaments like the ones held on the weekend just gone by. But on the other hand, it also constitutes exactly the sort of break for players that you're actually calling for in your other posts. So, it seems that you first complain that adult players don't get a break during July or August for a holiday etc., but then you also complain that underage players do get a break? Anyway, there's been so many posts on here from different people about proposed alternative calendars and competition structures, that I genuinely forget if you've ever posted one, to have some possible solutions rather than just criticisms. If you have, maybe you'd post the jist of it again? Or if you haven't, maybe you'd let us know what you think the answers are? Thanks. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2023 11:55:43 2502807 Link 0 |
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True, and especially so for younger and developing players who generally put in a year or two with the county squad before becoming a genuine contender for regular action there. Why bust a gut with the county squad for that year or two, in the hope of maybe making it to just number 25 or 26 on a matchday panel, when you could just stay with the club and play away as normal? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2023 12:00:42 2502810 Link 0 |
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I have posted yes for sure with alternative for adult championship amd league . I was specifically speaking of adult when I mensioned the breaks if u can read and actually understand instead of picking bits and using them for yiur own agenda . I M on the ground and can see the whole situation come to a point where its going to blow up and we will lose more players than ever . Minor always had 2 to 3 rounds played before breaks both codes before exams . . With the 17 an 20 split tied to adult inter County season that has restricted any chance of that . U17s told not to trajn with their clubs that was never supposed to be the case . . Championshop Being replaced by a token tournament until co players return . My point is the club is bring handed a situation it has no control over . As for the underage inter county tournaments in August its club season is my point . Dont pick the bits u want and put ur spin on it . I m specifically thinking of clubs club players and club coaches the very bedrock the gaa is built upon . Not the lads lucky enough to be good enough fir inter County. More games underage the better at Club level fir sure . Better structured adult us what's needed give the players and coaches a chance to live their lives too instead of bring thrown crumbs. Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 29/08/2023 14:16:33 2502848 Link 0 |
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Go to page 47 on this thread sure read my post and then ridicule or put ur spin on it donr really mayter to me tbh what you think as from what i read its a waste of time until it ll be too late . Just because I don't post as often does nt mean I don't understand I spend to many nights and weekends helping to be on here constantly. . Grass roots
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 29/08/2023 14:24:08 2502851 Link 0 |