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Wexford Club Hurling Championships 2023

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Replying To countyman2022:  "I dont know, after seeing Mick Somers and Eamon Wickham hurling last weekend I'd say Dave Guiney would definitely be pushing for a place anyway."
Rathnure can get back to senior hurling. This is when good leadership is required and the next team management appointment is crucial to the future of the club.

Luckyboy (Wicklow) - Posts: 38 - 15/08/2023 21:58:18    2500696

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Replying To camánouttathat:  "I remember when they had 4 or even 5 teams at one stage back in the 2000s and were in intermediate finals aswell as senior finals. Now they have the bones of 2 teams. Their junior b has Dave guiney,Mick o Leary,Brendan o Leary,Nigel Higgins and other guys who are getting on in years. Think they would struggle to make up a 3rd team if it wasn't for these guys. Dave guiney was hurling senior for Rathnure before a lot of those lads playing in the relegation final were even born. Id say he's the oldest player currently playing in Wexford. Must be mid 50s.

I don't see what all this talk on building a walking track and arena has anything to do with their poor run. I think alot of it is down to a big gap in player rentention from minor for a number of years and then when Paul codd,Robbie codd,Nigel Higgins,Anthony o connell,Mick and Brendan o Leary,Trevor Hogan to name a few all retired then there was very few to replace them. I don't think they will come back up straight away next year or even the year after. But now that relegation has finally happened,think now they can actually assess what is going wrong underage etc and what they need to do to change it. I agree with what another poster said about how they are not playing the way most modern teams play. They rarely run off the shoulder and then to stick to set 15 positions and play the ball long. They're s and c seems to be lacking alot too. Seem to run out of steam in last 10-15 mins but that can be resolved too if the attitude changes.

I myself think it is sad to see a club like Rathnure lose senior status as I spent most of my life admiring the players they produced and could you say without the rackards,Jim English in the 50s would Wexford have the same passion for hurling? I don't think so. Then you have the Quigley's,John conran,jimmy holohan some of the best hurlers to play in Ireland at that time. But you need to keep up with the times if you want to succeed and I think they haven't done this in the last 12 years or so and have just been hanging on for at least the last 4 or 5 years.

On another note who is the longest serving team in senior now that Rathnure has gone? I know harriers and rapps have been in since the 40s or 50s when the amalgamated the clubs in the towns. St Martin's probably 3rd then Glynn Barntown is probably 4th longest but anyone any knowledge?"
Faythe Harriers: since 1957.

Rapparees: since 1972 (year of formation).

St. Martin's: since 1978.

Glynn-Barntown: since 1988.

Shelmaliers: since 1998.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/rathnure-facing-glynn-barntown-in-the-final-every-team-wants-to-avoid/a586863821.html

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 10:17:04    2500730

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "It's funny, it was discussed in my club recently how there might be no teams with a proper indoor arena in Senior Hurling next year. The Alley, Bunclody, and Rathnure will be in Intermediate, Craanford will be in either Intermediate or Intermediate A, Liam Mellows will be in Intermediate A, and the Duffry will be in Junior. I think the Shels have some sort of small indoor arena but I don't think any of the other Senior Hurling clubs have a big indoor set-up.

FWIW, I don't really believe that the indoor arenas are holding teams back (Would hurling on astroturf make teams softer?), probably more a coincidence than anything else."
Kilmore still Junior too

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 10:17:50    2500732

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Replying To Luckyboy:  "Rathnure need to start afresh from a club and team management point of view. I have no doubt the club and team can recover but we require better management structures both on and off the field.
The club have people with the knowledge required to steer it forward and it's time for theses people to come forward and take ownership of the current situation."
We must have more money than sense too though? Indoor arena, track, paying Eoin Larkin €180 a night 3 times a week since December. Can this money be invested somewhere better?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 16/08/2023 10:19:22    2500733

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Replying To countyman2022:  "We must have more money than sense too though? Indoor arena, track, paying Eoin Larkin €180 a night 3 times a week since December. Can this money be invested somewhere better?"
Not telling you your business but you have to start at the bottom up. At u12 this year you have one team and that in div2. Oulart, Castletown, Horeswood, Barntown, Gorey, Harriers and Shels all have 2 teams. Not sure how you are at u10, u14, u16, and minor. So you aren't talking huge numbers. But surely to god you have many former intercounty players to help manage and mentor those young lads to improve their hurling, which we, along with the majority of Wexford clubs, just don't have. We are lucky at u12 to have a very passionate lad who hurled up to u21 with the county as manager and a very efficient lady doing all the HR side of things. We also have a good man at the club who has brought in several coaches including JJ Doyle and others to coach the mentors in drills, basic training methods, speed and sprinting, etc etc. JJ was particularly good. If your former intercounty players are still as passionate about hurling as they were some of them could put in 3 evenings a week to get involved with one of your underage teams. It's actually a great way to pass in an evening that costs very little apart from diesel.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 11:14:22    2500746

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Replying To countyman2022:  "We must have more money than sense too though? Indoor arena, track, paying Eoin Larkin €180 a night 3 times a week since December. Can this money be invested somewhere better?"
It's a big lesson for many clubs. Not saying outside coaches/managers don't work but it can be far too easy to get a 'name' in and hope he brings a magic wand with him for all that cash. Nothing but hard graft required to turn around things in Rathnure.

Having top facilities should be applauded though, that's a strange one to be having a go at the club for. If the facilities were rubbish you can be sure it's the first thing that would be criticised as a sign of how far the club has fallen!

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 402 - 16/08/2023 11:59:52    2500759

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not telling you your business but you have to start at the bottom up. At u12 this year you have one team and that in div2. Oulart, Castletown, Horeswood, Barntown, Gorey, Harriers and Shels all have 2 teams. Not sure how you are at u10, u14, u16, and minor. So you aren't talking huge numbers. But surely to god you have many former intercounty players to help manage and mentor those young lads to improve their hurling, which we, along with the majority of Wexford clubs, just don't have. We are lucky at u12 to have a very passionate lad who hurled up to u21 with the county as manager and a very efficient lady doing all the HR side of things. We also have a good man at the club who has brought in several coaches including JJ Doyle and others to coach the mentors in drills, basic training methods, speed and sprinting, etc etc. JJ was particularly good. If your former intercounty players are still as passionate about hurling as they were some of them could put in 3 evenings a week to get involved with one of your underage teams. It's actually a great way to pass in an evening that costs very little apart from diesel."
Its simple population demographics really.

Theres almost 10,000 people in Gorey for example, of course they will have 2 teams, in fact they probably should have 3 if im being honest versus a parish with what say 1500 people!

People dont realise that many areas are struggling and are going to continue to struggle when it comes to sheer numbers.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 16/08/2023 13:04:56    2500776

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Replying To tearintom:  "Its simple population demographics really.

Theres almost 10,000 people in Gorey for example, of course they will have 2 teams, in fact they probably should have 3 if im being honest versus a parish with what say 1500 people!

People dont realise that many areas are struggling and are going to continue to struggle when it comes to sheer numbers."
The point of my post was that if you don't have huge numbers, as most clubs don't, you have to make the most of what you have. And that starts before u6 really. Rathnure should surely have the hurling men to do this if they wanted to.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 14:20:52    2500797

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Replying To tearintom:  "Its simple population demographics really.

Theres almost 10,000 people in Gorey for example, of course they will have 2 teams, in fact they probably should have 3 if im being honest versus a parish with what say 1500 people!

People dont realise that many areas are struggling and are going to continue to struggle when it comes to sheer numbers."
Naomh Éanna actually had four adult hurling teams both this year and last, as they entered two Junior B sides as well as the ones in senior and Junior A. One of their Junior B teams even made it to their county semi-final last weekend, so the club could in fact have made it to three County Finals this year.

But you're right that it's becoming a numbers game all right, and I fear it'll be even more so in the future, as towns continue to expand and it becomes harder and harder to get planning permission in rural areas.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 16/08/2023 14:32:45    2500802

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Naomh Éanna actually had four adult hurling teams both this year and last, as they entered two Junior B sides as well as the ones in senior and Junior A. One of their Junior B teams even made it to their county semi-final last weekend, so the club could in fact have made it to three County Finals this year.

But you're right that it's becoming a numbers game all right, and I fear it'll be even more so in the future, as towns continue to expand and it becomes harder and harder to get planning permission in rural areas."
Sure Tara Rocks/Kilnerin will pick up a few Gorey lads for the hurling and football ;)

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 16/08/2023 14:53:42    2500810

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Replying To Viking66:  "The point of my post was that if you don't have huge numbers, as most clubs don't, you have to make the most of what you have. And that starts before u6 really. Rathnure should surely have the hurling men to do this if they wanted to."
Rathnure probably losing children too by not providing them with football.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 16/08/2023 14:54:30    2500811

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Replying To countyman2022:  "We must have more money than sense too though? Indoor arena, track, paying Eoin Larkin €180 a night 3 times a week since December. Can this money be invested somewhere better?"
To be blunt, I would say take your ideas and thoughts to the committee or the AGM of the club rather than posting them on a public message board. I am sure they'll welcome your ideas.
Its absolutely unfair on volunteers in your club to be downing them on a message board like you are.
Not 1 of your posts says anything other than personal vendetta. You've said some awful things about people who have probably served your club well even though I don't know their names.
And I have no skin in the game here as I'm not a member of Rathnure nor do I know much about the club as its a good distance from my home.
One thing I will say is having been up there with everything from u8 blitzes to now u16's the club are a very welcoming club and are doing their best like the rest of us.
Every club has people of your type.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 16/08/2023 15:12:05    2500817

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Time and again GAA has shown us that its nothing to do with demographics.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 16/08/2023 15:13:55    2500818

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "To be blunt, I would say take your ideas and thoughts to the committee or the AGM of the club rather than posting them on a public message board. I am sure they'll welcome your ideas.
Its absolutely unfair on volunteers in your club to be downing them on a message board like you are.
Not 1 of your posts says anything other than personal vendetta. You've said some awful things about people who have probably served your club well even though I don't know their names.
And I have no skin in the game here as I'm not a member of Rathnure nor do I know much about the club as its a good distance from my home.
One thing I will say is having been up there with everything from u8 blitzes to now u16's the club are a very welcoming club and are doing their best like the rest of us.
Every club has people of your type."
No you don't know there names. As you know little about Wexford GAA south of Gorey and your little club of blow in's. You got involved with a few underage teams and you act like your Jim Gavin. You do not know how people have served the club. You know nothing about the club. Come to one of our AGM's, you would learn alot then. But until then, just keep sticking your nose in everything like you do. You are just one of them 'type'.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 16/08/2023 15:42:06    2500827

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Time and again GAA has shown us that its nothing to do with demographics."
No not at all sure. Not the reason why Dublin win. Or why Grey are becoming successful.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 16/08/2023 15:43:12    2500830

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Rathnure probably losing children too by not providing them with football."
True too. The only clubs without an u12 football team are themselves and the Harriers as far as I know, but obviously any u12s in town have the option of Vols, Sars and Joe's in div4 or Mary's in div5. Before anyone asks Oularts u12 football team plays in div2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 15:54:04    2500832

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Naomh Éanna actually had four adult hurling teams both this year and last, as they entered two Junior B sides as well as the ones in senior and Junior A. One of their Junior B teams even made it to their county semi-final last weekend, so the club could in fact have made it to three County Finals this year.

But you're right that it's becoming a numbers game all right, and I fear it'll be even more so in the future, as towns continue to expand and it becomes harder and harder to get planning permission in rural areas."
They aren't shy about picking up a few from neighbouring clubs either! Not alone in that to be fair. At same time, obviously New Ross is approaching black hole territory from a GAA perspective (or long since past it sadly) and maybe there aren't enough playing hurling in Wexford town either compared to Gorey. So you need a well run setup to make the most of population growth too. The county has had population growth of nearly 10% in 6 years so we should be seeing more participation levels than ever.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 402 - 16/08/2023 16:02:02    2500839

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Replying To countyman2022:  "No not at all sure. Not the reason why Dublin win. Or why Grey are becoming successful."
Demographics have alot to do with it but aren't everything. Bigger numbers, club or county, mean more chance of finding gems of players, and more money for providing facilities for them. You still need the coaching to polish those diamonds though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 16/08/2023 16:04:21    2500840

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Replying To Viking66:  "True too. The only clubs without an u12 football team are themselves and the Harriers as far as I know, but obviously any u12s in town have the option of Vols, Sars and Joe's in div4 or Mary's in div5. Before anyone asks Oularts u12 football team plays in div2."
Aren't the Harriers a hurling club ??

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 159 - 16/08/2023 16:14:29    2500845

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Replying To countyman2022:  "No you don't know there names. As you know little about Wexford GAA south of Gorey and your little club of blow in's. You got involved with a few underage teams and you act like your Jim Gavin. You do not know how people have served the club. You know nothing about the club. Come to one of our AGM's, you would learn alot then. But until then, just keep sticking your nose in everything like you do. You are just one of them 'type'."
Jez countyman you have fallen out of the wrong side of the bed today .. take a chill pill .. you are bitter - that is one thing for sure .. shur maybe you could go to their AGM and take over since you have such great ideas .. or are you the 'type' that is all talk and no action!!

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 16/08/2023 16:21:14    2500847

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