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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I saw a very disturbing video in work at lunch time of an off the ball incident involving a Rathnure and Glynn player. This sort of incident has no place on a hurling pitch and I hope the Wexford county board use the video evidence they presumably have of the incident.
I would not claim to have been an angle on the hurling pitch and was involved in incidents I regretted afterwards. But there's a world of difference between a couple of wild or dangerous strokes and a frankly disgusting incident like this.
If they don't, then what message does it send regarding discipline in the county?"
As low a blow and ever given on a Hurling field IMO. He got a yellow so nothing more can be done. Sure he regrets it and it will follow him around for a while.

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 201 - 14/08/2023 16:14:27    2500518

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Replying To Viking66:  "He's a very good young player. Really hope he decides to give intercounty a go next year."
Here's hoping whoever is our manager can get all our best young players to commit to the panel

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 14/08/2023 16:28:25    2500521

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I saw a very disturbing video in work at lunch time of an off the ball incident involving a Rathnure and Glynn player. This sort of incident has no place on a hurling pitch and I hope the Wexford county board use the video evidence they presumably have of the incident.
I would not claim to have been an angle on the hurling pitch and was involved in incidents I regretted afterwards. But there's a world of difference between a couple of wild or dangerous strokes and a frankly disgusting incident like this.
If they don't, then what message does it send regarding discipline in the county?"
What happened

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 139 - 14/08/2023 19:38:04    2500555

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I hope Oylegate win on Sunday. I know a fair few of them and hurled against them and they are tough, hard and fair on the pitch but sound lads off it."
Agreed, Oilgate a club I would have very good time for.

No bs about them, they go out and hurl hard, no mouthing or filth and shake hands and that's it.

A sound club.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 925 - 14/08/2023 21:40:02    2500564

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Here's hoping whoever is our manager can get all our best young players to commit to the panel"
Think that is absolutely crucial

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 15/08/2023 08:56:25    2500577

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I saw a very disturbing video in work at lunch time of an off the ball incident involving a Rathnure and Glynn player. This sort of incident has no place on a hurling pitch and I hope the Wexford county board use the video evidence they presumably have of the incident.
I would not claim to have been an angle on the hurling pitch and was involved in incidents I regretted afterwards. But there's a world of difference between a couple of wild or dangerous strokes and a frankly disgusting incident like this.
If they don't, then what message does it send regarding discipline in the county?"
Is that seen on the game on YouTube or is it a viral message

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 364 - 15/08/2023 08:59:57    2500578

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Replying To Paull:  "As low a blow and ever given on a Hurling field IMO. He got a yellow so nothing more can be done. Sure he regrets it and it will follow him around for a while."
Did a Glynn player do something similar v Moonageer the week before in intermediate A? Junior?

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 15/08/2023 09:26:02    2500581

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Replying To countyman2022:  "They should stick to building walking tracks up here."
Its the numbers game in Rathnure or the lack of numbers. But I do think Rathnure have started getting their house in order at underage levels. Doing everything they can with the players they have at their disposal.
During their period of dominance remember Rathnure were premier in every underage competition and regularly winning those competitions. They are unable to compete in Division 2, 3, 4 now. Their camogie prowess has also gone off the face of the earth again due to numbers. They won a minor B championship at the weekend, again not competing at the top level.
Rathnure won 7 under 21's in a row in the glory days, when was the last Premier Grade competition Rathnure won at any level from Under 13 - Senior?
Rathnure put all their efforts into building a big indoor arena what about 15 years ago? Has their been any benefits on the field from that building?
Hurling may no longer be the religion it once was in Rathnure.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 15/08/2023 09:34:36    2500582

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Its the numbers game in Rathnure or the lack of numbers. But I do think Rathnure have started getting their house in order at underage levels. Doing everything they can with the players they have at their disposal.
During their period of dominance remember Rathnure were premier in every underage competition and regularly winning those competitions. They are unable to compete in Division 2, 3, 4 now. Their camogie prowess has also gone off the face of the earth again due to numbers. They won a minor B championship at the weekend, again not competing at the top level.
Rathnure won 7 under 21's in a row in the glory days, when was the last Premier Grade competition Rathnure won at any level from Under 13 - Senior?
Rathnure put all their efforts into building a big indoor arena what about 15 years ago? Has their been any benefits on the field from that building?
Hurling may no longer be the religion it once was in Rathnure."
No benefit, they like walking tracks too. As for numbers, they've 3 adult teams.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 15/08/2023 10:56:56    2500596

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Its the numbers game in Rathnure or the lack of numbers. But I do think Rathnure have started getting their house in order at underage levels. Doing everything they can with the players they have at their disposal.
During their period of dominance remember Rathnure were premier in every underage competition and regularly winning those competitions. They are unable to compete in Division 2, 3, 4 now. Their camogie prowess has also gone off the face of the earth again due to numbers. They won a minor B championship at the weekend, again not competing at the top level.
Rathnure won 7 under 21's in a row in the glory days, when was the last Premier Grade competition Rathnure won at any level from Under 13 - Senior?
Rathnure put all their efforts into building a big indoor arena what about 15 years ago? Has their been any benefits on the field from that building?
Hurling may no longer be the religion it once was in Rathnure."
Everything goes in cycles. Up until around WW2 the big 3 were Adamstown, St Fintans and Sally Beachers (Shels Pikeman????!!!!!). New Ross Utd then won 3 in a row. Then St Aidans, Rathnure, Cloughbawn and Horeswood were probably the big 4. Then St Aidans, Rathnure and the Harriers. Then Rathnure, Shamrocks, Buffers Alley. Then Oulart came on

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 15/08/2023 10:59:47    2500597

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Did a Glynn player do something similar v Moonageer the week before in intermediate A? Junior?"
Glynn didn't play Monageer in intermediate a they played st Patrick's in junior

Wexfordmorg (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 15/08/2023 11:18:30    2500603

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Is it just me or is the pulling down of players getting to the stage where its destroying the game as a a contest. If there is any chance of pulling someone to the ground rather than let them through it'ds done . Takes momentum from the opposition and the game as a spectacle. How many times yesterday did this happen . One in particular occurred in the first game where gorey player just jumped on rocs back rather rhsn be skinned and allow him to get a run on goal happened near sideline outside the 21 could that have been the momentum swinger which would have lifted st martins , the game and the crowd don't think he even got yellow card could ve really hurt him too . 3 times in 2nd game in 2nd half same .
Then you watch as Liam og gets 2nd yellow for imo a legimate pull in the air accidental contact .
Strong hard play punished cynicism rewarded . I don't blame the players it's the rules and implantation of them .
If the hurling hirearchy can't see this as a problem and think the black card or similar isn't needed or beneath hurling and done quickly the are totally delusional.
Get something done about this cynical play before the national game is destroyed from fear of conceding goals which is the one thing that we all want to see to give hurling back it's pride and excitement .
In a time where inside forwards are working on their own or in pairs the backs have lost the art of defending with plus ones sweepers etc and if they do fail to gain possession or are in trouble pull the opposition player down .concede the free and a point .
Think des mythen has done a good job with oylegate especially in the forwards he must have done some serious work with them unlike other teams who seem to be obsessed with not conceding staying in the game and hoping to catch others on the break .
May work at intercounty but what club team has 3 or 4 free scoring forwards.
Refs yesterday definitely were out of their depth and contributed to destroying the games as a spectacle.
Is it their fault no they did nt pick themselves to ref the games there is too much going on to see during games from the cynical play .
One Idea cynical deliberate pull down or trip inside or around the 45 mtr line in black card/sin bin or penalty or both combination .
As of now I fear imo hurling is losing its appetite"
In my opinion Two of the best refs in the county have been appointed for the Senior and Intermediate finals this weekend.
In my opinion at knock out stages in all championships the best 24 refs in the county should get the quarter finals, the best 12 should get the Semis and the best 6 should get the finals. Grades are irrelevant.
As a player you want the best ref you can get.
Hopefully next week we will be discussing the performances of the teams and not the Refs. Best of luck to all.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 15/08/2023 12:36:51    2500618

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Replying To countyman2022:  "No benefit, they like walking tracks too. As for numbers, they've 3 adult teams."
Three adult teams but really one of those teams is a social team with very good ex players. Like I don't see Nigel Higgins or Dave Guiney pushing for a place on their senior team anytime soon.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 15/08/2023 13:46:32    2500631

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Same in every county. Periods of dominance by clubs for a decade or two, then times change.
Its good for hurling in any county that teams don't care about tradition of these clubs. Why should they?

I can't see how it could be because they invested in facilities in the club that they have been relegated. Many clubs have upgraded their facilities, in fact the standard of club facilities across the county since I moved here has improved significantly. The addition of an indoor arena and walking track would have no link whatsoever to the success on the field. What a walking track does in our club is great because there are groups of old people who use it during the morning and go for coffee after it which gives them a social focal point, and then mothers and others who use it at night time.

I don't see how anybody could have a problem with such a facility, they are great facilities and keep people from walking and running on unsafe roads.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 15/08/2023 13:53:56    2500634

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Replying To countyman2022:  "No benefit, they like walking tracks too. As for numbers, they've 3 adult teams."
how can you say 'no benefit'?

i've been up there for blitzes and my own club have used it in the winter too .. i'd love for us to have one but don't see it happening anytime soon

you seem a little bitter countyman2022!! .. Were you dropped off their Junior B team or something!!

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 15/08/2023 14:00:09    2500637

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Three adult teams but really one of those teams is a social team with very good ex players. Like I don't see Nigel Higgins or Dave Guiney pushing for a place on their senior team anytime soon."
I dont know, after seeing Mick Somers and Eamon Wickham hurling last weekend I'd say Dave Guiney would definitely be pushing for a place anyway.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 15/08/2023 14:18:58    2500640

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Same in every county. Periods of dominance by clubs for a decade or two, then times change.
Its good for hurling in any county that teams don't care about tradition of these clubs. Why should they?

I can't see how it could be because they invested in facilities in the club that they have been relegated. Many clubs have upgraded their facilities, in fact the standard of club facilities across the county since I moved here has improved significantly. The addition of an indoor arena and walking track would have no link whatsoever to the success on the field. What a walking track does in our club is great because there are groups of old people who use it during the morning and go for coffee after it which gives them a social focal point, and then mothers and others who use it at night time.

I don't see how anybody could have a problem with such a facility, they are great facilities and keep people from walking and running on unsafe roads."
It's funny, it was discussed in my club recently how there might be no teams with a proper indoor arena in Senior Hurling next year. The Alley, Bunclody, and Rathnure will be in Intermediate, Craanford will be in either Intermediate or Intermediate A, Liam Mellows will be in Intermediate A, and the Duffry will be in Junior. I think the Shels have some sort of small indoor arena but I don't think any of the other Senior Hurling clubs have a big indoor set-up.

FWIW, I don't really believe that the indoor arenas are holding teams back (Would hurling on astroturf make teams softer?), probably more a coincidence than anything else.

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 485 - 15/08/2023 18:37:45    2500678

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Replying To Paull:  "As low a blow and ever given on a Hurling field IMO. He got a yellow so nothing more can be done. Sure he regrets it and it will follow him around for a while."
Saw the clip today. Awful. Heat of the moment thing but a long ban needed here.

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 139 - 15/08/2023 18:59:47    2500681

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Replying To countyman2022:  "I dont know, after seeing Mick Somers and Eamon Wickham hurling last weekend I'd say Dave Guiney would definitely be pushing for a place anyway."
Rathnure need to start afresh from a club and team management point of view. I have no doubt the club and team can recover but we require better management structures both on and off the field.
The club have people with the knowledge required to steer it forward and it's time for theses people to come forward and take ownership of the current situation.

Luckyboy (Wicklow) - Posts: 38 - 15/08/2023 19:27:22    2500683

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Three adult teams but really one of those teams is a social team with very good ex players. Like I don't see Nigel Higgins or Dave Guiney pushing for a place on their senior team anytime soon."
I remember when they had 4 or even 5 teams at one stage back in the 2000s and were in intermediate finals aswell as senior finals. Now they have the bones of 2 teams. Their junior b has Dave guiney,Mick o Leary,Brendan o Leary,Nigel Higgins and other guys who are getting on in years. Think they would struggle to make up a 3rd team if it wasn't for these guys. Dave guiney was hurling senior for Rathnure before a lot of those lads playing in the relegation final were even born. Id say he's the oldest player currently playing in Wexford. Must be mid 50s.

I don't see what all this talk on building a walking track and arena has anything to do with their poor run. I think alot of it is down to a big gap in player rentention from minor for a number of years and then when Paul codd,Robbie codd,Nigel Higgins,Anthony o connell,Mick and Brendan o Leary,Trevor Hogan to name a few all retired then there was very few to replace them. I don't think they will come back up straight away next year or even the year after. But now that relegation has finally happened,think now they can actually assess what is going wrong underage etc and what they need to do to change it. I agree with what another poster said about how they are not playing the way most modern teams play. They rarely run off the shoulder and then to stick to set 15 positions and play the ball long. They're s and c seems to be lacking alot too. Seem to run out of steam in last 10-15 mins but that can be resolved too if the attitude changes.

I myself think it is sad to see a club like Rathnure lose senior status as I spent most of my life admiring the players they produced and could you say without the rackards,Jim English in the 50s would Wexford have the same passion for hurling? I don't think so. Then you have the Quigley's,John conran,jimmy holohan some of the best hurlers to play in Ireland at that time. But you need to keep up with the times if you want to succeed and I think they haven't done this in the last 12 years or so and have just been hanging on for at least the last 4 or 5 years.

On another note who is the longest serving team in senior now that Rathnure has gone? I know harriers and rapps have been in since the 40s or 50s when the amalgamated the clubs in the towns. St Martin's probably 3rd then Glynn Barntown is probably 4th longest but anyone any knowledge?

camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 63 - 15/08/2023 19:42:41    2500684

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