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The jimmies had an excellent team in 09, far too strong for that grade and a few grade above also. They beat our 2nd team in the district semi final that year. Hanlon was playing centre forward that day. They had really good hurlers, 2 molloys, Doran, Kevin O Grady and few more. Hurlers were never the problem it was lack of training at the time. Then Roger Ennis turned things around when he came manager that year. I think they will win by 5 or 6 points on Sunday but, it hard to see past cloughbawn this year. I was also impressed with monageer in they win against us at the weekend and i think ot is between them and cushinstownfor intermediate A. I not sure about the senior, but winners of Martins and gorey would be my pick.
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1130 - 09/08/2023 22:27:08 2499816 Link 0 |
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At worst the players club should make contact. Put the player on their radar.
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 09/08/2023 22:41:31 2499817 Link 0 |
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I find the idea that we dont look past senior/intermediate grades for our hurling teams quite bizarre to be honest! When i was growing up that definitely was the case in the 80's and in to the 90's, back then unless you came from an established club even at underage you wouldnt even be considered. Thats definitely not the case any more, in fact it was Liam Dunne who really brought that to another level looking across all grades during his tenure. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 10/08/2023 09:30:54 2499824 Link 0 |
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For sure it would help
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 09:52:44 2499826 Link 0 |
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In fairness to Keith Rossiter as well he had over half the starting team from Intermediate and Junior clubs. The worry is will some of theose lads drop off the radar? Hopefully whoever the new manager is will bring all those lads in in November and have a good look at them. Give them programmes to follow if they aren't good or big enough to step up straight away, and if they have potential keep them in the squad at least up until the League.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 09:56:07 2499827 Link 0 |
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Id be hoping the new management team will be giving the younger lads gym programmes as soon as they are appointed . My worry is some of our lads finish hurling end of July start of August and wont be back until early December with the county. The club scene is even worse most of us wont have a game of hurling now until late March/start of April. If we continue with this system it will kill hurling in the county
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 10/08/2023 10:05:30 2499831 Link 0 |
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Yes, he can. To be honest, it's a bit of an anomaly in the rules, but a junior player (for example) doesn't lose his junior status if he comes on as a temporary substitute in a senior match for a blood injury or suspected head injury. And there's no time limit to how long a "temporary" substitute can stay on the field for. It means that a junior player could even come on just ten seconds into a senior match if somebody was split open at the throw-in, play the rest of the match, and still be eligible for junior again after that. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 10/08/2023 10:15:21 2499835 Link 0 |
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Was watching the 96 final back last night. And I thought back to the buzz around the place for weeks beforehand. Same when the club reached an Intermediate football final a good few years back. The real problem is that intercounty has got too professional. Ideally we would go back to a looser system of club games between intercounty games, with less intercounty games. Then everything could be more spread out and enjoyed more. Problem is that intercounty managements won't agree to this. And probably the money men in HQ as less games spread out more means less gate receipts and less windows for concerts etc. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 11:00:54 2499849 Link 0 |
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Crazy rule if that's the case ?!
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 180 - 10/08/2023 11:03:55 2499851 Link 0 |
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One thing I do think they need to do is abolish the pre season competitions such as walsh cup. The league us effectively a pre season competition now. Push the All Ireland club finals onto Mid/late February meaning counties such as ourselves arent in a rush to complete championships in mid October in order for clubs to compete in Leinster.
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 10/08/2023 11:44:59 2499861 Link 0 |
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And you could argue Mick Jacob has cast the net even wider than any manager before with the minor teams the last 2 years. Some of the clubs represented are clubs which never would have been on a team sheet when I first moved to Wexford. What is missing above u20 is these lads playing top hurling against top teams. As an arbitary example say Mick Dundon mentioned, he couldn't possibly be expected to step up and hurl senior inter county if he is neither training with and against nor playing teams at the top level with his club. But, inter county players spend a few weeks each year hurling with their club, could it be debated that they spend 7-8 months every year with county squad so if they are good enough they will make it no matter what club they are from. As for the "barstool hurlers", if they can't be convinced to join then forget them. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 10/08/2023 11:45:42 2499862 Link 0 |
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Definitely the case. But I'm calling it a bit of an anomaly rather than crazy. Am guessing it's one of those things that's well-intentioned, even if it could be taken to extremes at times. First part of it (no time limit on temporary substitutions) definitely is. It means you're not rushing on making a decision on whether or not somebody is fit to return to play after say nine minutes of a ten-minute limit. Second part is probably well-intentioned too, as it would cover a situation (however unlikely) where the only subs a team has available are players from a lower grade. It avoids something like "Paddy's fairly banged up, but the only subs we have are Tommy and Johnny from the juniors. If we bring one of them on, they'll be gone from Junior for the rest of the year. So let's just drop down to 14 for a few minutes, patch Paddy up as quick as we can, and send him back in to play no matter what he's like". Incidentally, same rule also specifies that you don't lose your status for a lower grade by playing in a relegation final for a higher grade, as relegation play-offs are considered separate competitions (remember the fact that they're "separate" was how Joe Coleman was able to play in the relegation final v Oulart-The Ballagh in 2021, despite being sent off in the previous championship match). Duffry Rovers, for example, are playing an Intermediate A relegation final on Friday evening and a Junior B semi-final on Saturday. It means that a Junior B player who hasn't yet played for their first team this year could line out on Friday evening, and still be eligible for the match on Saturday. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 10/08/2023 11:47:01 2499863 Link 0 |
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Even if the Walsh Cup is retained it could be played without players whose clubs were still in the Provincial and AI Club series. Definitely think we need a longer timeframe for our club championships but the problem is that would have to be a Leinster Council decision and most of the other Leinster counties don't have the same dual player problem we do.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 12:20:12 2499872 Link 0 |
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That's why I think it's especially important for lads from Junior and Intermediate clubs to be brought on the Senior panel as soon as possible after u20. If they don't make it they don't make it but if they aren't brought in straight away they likely will never make it unless they are very lucky. The alternative is go back to 16 team grades so more lads are playing at a grade higher, but most lads on this were against that idea as they said there was too big of a difference between the grades as is. After reading the article in the People and Onfor15s post earlier I'm not sure that's the case though. Cloughbawn, Fethard and Buffers Alley were all Senior since 2018, while clubs like St James, Tara Rocks, Gusserane, Horeswood and Taghmon have risen up the grades to Intermediate following good underage work and some underage success. Bunclody and Askamore would also have been Senior up until 2011, and Blackwater up until 2010, and Adamstown up until 2014. Would players at an extra 4 of these clubs have improved by playing the 7 or 8 more established Senior clubs more frequently? Certainly the answer to that is yes. Which would surely be better for our county team then.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 12:34:06 2499873 Link 0 |
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As regards barstool hurlers I'm not talking about lads who got called up and wouldn't go, or wouldn't stay in if they did go, like some lads from Senior clubs in the recent past. I'm talking about lads who never got called despite hurling for the county underage for many years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 12:35:58 2499874 Link 0 |
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Bigger issue again is it wouldn't involve just a change at provincial council level, but at national level in Croke Park too. They're still pushing for even the All-Ireland club finals to eventually be played in the same calendar year. That would mean the provincial championships would have to finish earlier than they currently do, and therefore start earlier, leaving even less of a window for the club championships in each county. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 10/08/2023 13:55:35 2499888 Link 0 |
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Thats one of the reasons why i can never understand the reluctance of people within Wexford GAA to go back to having adult grades of 16 teams. Surely we are better off as a county exposing another 80-100 players to playing at a higher grade of hurling/football than what they are at currently? Its easier to structure 16 teams, it can be done in a way which still gives enough games to Clubs or in the situation we find ourselves in it can be structured to give players a chance of a break. People have this idea that somehow Wexford having a competitive Senior championship automatically means good!! It doesnt, the standard of our club championship is poor. Equally people cite a team getting a hammering as nothing to be learned from that when its quite the opposite, sometimes you learn more from losing that winning. The more hurlers/footballers playing at a higher level the better off we are and the more flexibility we have to run our championships the better off we would be. Its a no brainer for me. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 10/08/2023 14:00:05 2499889 Link 0 |
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Yep! And people still think the whole Club/Intercounty split is a good thing!! Honestly i find it hillarious, ban a club player from playing a meaningful game for over 6/7 months of the year then expect them to play off as many games as possible in an ever shrinking timeframe unless they happen to be one of the clubs who go on to provincial club competition. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 10/08/2023 14:03:35 2499890 Link 0 |
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A couple of was of resolving the problem 1. Allow players to transfer more freely 2. Reduce the number of clubs Now they will never happen but if winning All Irelands was all that counted then they would. That said they county should be looking at what each of these U20/21s are doing and ensuring that someplace they are in a good development program - for players in third level its not as much a problem unless they are in the lower tier hurling group for players that are not then why can their development still not continue through a county setup - have a Senior Academy like in rugby zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1963 - 10/08/2023 14:25:56 2499896 Link 0 |
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I don't think people think it's a good thing. But if it hadn't happened the club game would've disappeared altogether as the intercounty game just kept on expanding.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/08/2023 14:36:05 2499901 Link 0 |