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Wexford Club Hurling Championships 2023

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Its improving? Do you go to many games?"
Do you think the standard has dropped in adult or underage games

Wexfordmorg (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 08/08/2023 13:14:36    2499520

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "At Intermediate and Junior we've done OK, Horeswood won Leinster Junior and the year before Tara Rocks went to extra time with the eventual AI champions Mooncoin, in Intermediate Oilgate got to a Leinster Final, Oulart last year the 1 team who done poor but that game sounded like a very strange occasion.

For what its worth I'd prefer to go back to alternate weeks or 2 week blocks of each code, what was telling was the video with Alex Lynch and Birdie O'Leary last week which shows that even among players views differ. Lynch likes the current format but some of teammates with Maudlintown would be the most vocal critics of this structure."
Yes they would be in the minority of Wexford players, non dual players, though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 13:23:39    2499522

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "At Intermediate and Junior we've done OK, Horeswood won Leinster Junior and the year before Tara Rocks went to extra time with the eventual AI champions Mooncoin, in Intermediate Oilgate got to a Leinster Final, Oulart last year the 1 team who done poor but that game sounded like a very strange occasion.

For what its worth I'd prefer to go back to alternate weeks or 2 week blocks of each code, what was telling was the video with Alex Lynch and Birdie O'Leary last week which shows that even among players views differ. Lynch likes the current format but some of teammates with Maudlintown would be the most vocal critics of this structure."
But surely if the majority of club players are dual players, we need to stick with the split season? It encourages more participation in both codes rather than lads (and clubs) prioritising one code. There's no ideal situation. Some of the stuff in the media is laughable...isn't it terrible Lee Chin hasn't a club games for months etc....here's an idea, maybe Lee could give his club football team a commitment this year and push them on!

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 402 - 08/08/2023 13:26:13    2499523

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "If it's the same lad I'm thinking of he actually more of a football man or was years ago. He moved to cushinstown because of no football in rathnure. He would be from the ballywilliam area. Glad for him he's doing well and good luck to him"
Is he related to Noel Holohan? Noticed he was 1 of his umpires on Sunday.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/08/2023 13:47:20    2499529

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Replying To Timbertony:  "But surely if the majority of club players are dual players, we need to stick with the split season? It encourages more participation in both codes rather than lads (and clubs) prioritising one code. There's no ideal situation. Some of the stuff in the media is laughable...isn't it terrible Lee Chin hasn't a club games for months etc....here's an idea, maybe Lee could give his club football team a commitment this year and push them on!"
"There's no ideal situation." This is exactly it, selfishly as a spectator I would prefer alternate weeks or 2 week blocks but totally understand alot of players like the current lay out while other players wouldn't, its impossible to keep everyone happy, also 50% of adult players finished hurling for the year on August Bank Holiday Monday doesn't sit well with me, with alternate weeks you'd be looking as QF of both codes on weekends of Sept 9/10 and 15/16. Another factor is this format might suit clubs for getting lads back from abroad and play during holidays, by all reports Paudie Foley and Rowan White are only temporarily back from Australia, Cormac Byrne with the Harriers Aaron Maddock with the Martins and Ruairi Tubritt with Fethard are back on holidays from Dubai.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/08/2023 14:07:46    2499535

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Replying To Wexfordmorg:  "Do you think the standard has dropped in adult or underage games"
Adult level. Are the ref's assessed in Wexford? There are 4 off top of my head who must be threading thin.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 08/08/2023 14:21:48    2499539

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness, it's just played two, lost two. Might be a bit early to draw conclusions. Would be different if we'd already lost five or more in a row.

In particular, am not sure the split season and the consequent long lay-off from competitive hurling could be held up as the main reason for Ferns losing to St. Mullins last year, when you consider the Carlow final was actually played a week before our own, and so they wouldn't have had any competitive hurling in the meantime either."
St Mullins have 9 intercounty championship players, including several who would likely be in Wexfords starting 15 and 26, and Ferns have only James Lawlor in the 15 and Niall Murphy in the 26 might have had something to do with the result also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 14:34:31    2499542

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Surely Cloughbawn fall into the "yo-yo" camp too? But it's meant to be hard to stay up senior, Cloughbawn won two games last year and still went down! That's not the case this season where we have two very weak teams in the senior relegation final."
They are both weak teams yet both are Senior a very long time. Rathnure have never been Intermediate before.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 14:38:27    2499543

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Must be remembered he's Kilkenny through and through so might not have the appetite to play for another Liam McCarthy county, let alone a Leinster team, only his 2nd year with Oilgate after transferring from Dicksboro, played minor and u21 for Kilkenny, don't know if he was ever in the Senior panel.

Aside from the 2 recent u20 intercounty teams Sean Keane Carroll has impressed me in view of the senior panel and I know they were in the panel in the early part of this year but I think Mike Kelly and Kyle Firman would be worth another look."
Aaron Duggan has a young child and is fairly settled where he is. As an aside he said he was fairly impressed with Dessie Mythen's knowledge of Wexford club players when I asked him what he thought of him as a manager. Hopefully the new management at least ask him about keeping goal for us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 15:18:22    2499555

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Replying To JT22:  "I am looking forward to the two intermediate semi finals Saturday evening. Fethard and Cloughbawn would of been alot of people's tips to win it a the start of the year. Fethard have been quite hit and miss and have had a couple of poor enough performances, they really peaked against Tara Rocks the weekend and I think will just about get over the line this weekend against Cloughbawn. I was at the St James and Taghmon game earlier in the championship, I thought the James were the better team on the day, there was very little between both teams, it was a very physical entertaining game and I'd expect the same this weekend. It'll be interesting to see how much game time MOH gets, he could be vital in getting the James over the line in the last 15/20 minutes. As a neutral a Fethard/St James final would be very interesting and that's what I'm tipping.

I am finding the intermediate A a little harder to call, I fancied Cushintown prior to the game this weekend but from what I hear they were lucky enough to get a draw, it will be a big ask for the winner to play 3 games in a week. I still think if Cushintown can get over the line tonight and don't lose anyone to injury they'll get to a final and will be hard bet in it.

In the Junior, Clongeen have been impressive winning all group games and comfortably getting by ferns the weekend. There up against The Shamrocks this weekend, they already beat them earlier in the group game, I'd expect a closer game this time around but Clongeen to come out on top again. Kilmore and St Pat's on the other side will be very tight, St Pat's have a couple of very good forwards, I think the Clongeen/Shamrocks/St Pat's group was the stronger side of this and I am tipping a Clongeen/St Pat's final"
Kilmore will likely be without Cristoir Reville who got sent off the last day. One of their best players who hurled underage for Wexford in the Celtic Challenge a few years ago. How is Dundon doing for Clongeen this year?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 15:20:51    2499556

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Replying To Viking66:  "They are both weak teams yet both are Senior a very long time. Rathnure have never been Intermediate before."
Nothing against Rathnure but might be no harm for them if they dropped this year. Getting in Eoin Larkin didn't seem to have much of an impact for them.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 402 - 08/08/2023 15:49:25    2499572

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Adult level. Are the ref's assessed in Wexford? There are 4 off top of my head who must be threading thin."
I'm not fully sure about adult referees but I was talking to a cousin of mine who started this year and he said he was assessed 3 times at the start of the year but as far as I know he can only referee up to u16 level

Wexfordmorg (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 08/08/2023 15:58:40    2499576

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As an aside I asked a Kilkenny man to name players on their panel who don't hurl for Senior clubs. Off the top of his head in the space of 5 minutes he named the following, adding that there were likely others he didnt think of-
Junior:
Tullogher - Wally Walsh
Freshford - Darren Brennan (James Meagher previously on panel too).
Galmoy - Billy Drennan
Emeralds - Killian Doyle

Intermediate:
Lisdowney - Niall Brennan
Conahy - Tom Phelan (James Bergin on panel previously)
Young Irelands - Mikey Carey
Dunnamaggin - Denis Walsh
Thomastown - John Donnelly & Peter McDonald

Obviously Danesfort were Intermediate up until last year also, and the 2 previous winners were Glenmore and Tullaroan. Players on these 3 teams on the current Kilkenny panel include-
Eoin Murphy
Richie Hogan
Padraig Walsh
Alan Murphy
Martin Keoghan
Shane Walsh
Tommy Walsh

Players the lad from Kilkenny may have missed include Jay Burke from Thomastown although I'm not sure he was in their squad this year.

That represents quite a difference in spread between the grades to what we had down here in Wexford the last 30 odd years that I'm following our hurling, and likely many years before that also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 16:07:04    2499577

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Nothing against Rathnure but might be no harm for them if they dropped this year. Getting in Eoin Larkin didn't seem to have much of an impact for them."
Great players don't automatically make great coaches or managers. I'm not well up on how Rathnure are behind the scenes but when you look at their players not committing to Senior intercounty after playing well at underage maybe theyre not that interested in training or working to the necessary level to improve their clubs fortunes at adult.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 08/08/2023 16:10:47    2499580

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Agree 100% he dine a good job"
The one thing not policed was that players were not outside the 20m line when the ball was being pucked out. It wasn't just this game but seen it in others as well - have refs been told not to bother with it? they are dead nuts on it in football. For what its worth the backpass rule to the goalie also needs to be brought into hurling.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1963 - 08/08/2023 19:15:15    2499612

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Replying To Viking66:  "Kilmore will likely be without Cristoir Reville who got sent off the last day. One of their best players who hurled underage for Wexford in the Celtic Challenge a few years ago. How is Dundon doing for Clongeen this year?"
Dundon doing well but so much more in him. Emmett Kent has been unreal and a lot hinges on these 2. Numbers are always small in Clongeen due to tiny pick with only 70 odd in one primary school and no second team is a huge blow as the 10 subs do not get enough game time but They are very fit and Mickey Laffan will have them playing to a plan.

bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 74 - 08/08/2023 19:56:49    2499616

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Glynn v Rathnure: the final nobody wants to be in. Think Rathnures struggles on recent years might actually suit them in a game like this. Glynn not used to relegation battles in recent years and have lots of new players. Rathnure by 3

Martins v Gorey: Has the makings of a great game don't think the Gorey backs will give up much space to the martins forwards and I think Gorey will get over the line by 2 points

Annes v Oilgate: both teams will fancy their chances in this , annes seem to be coming at the right time and think it might be a game too far for Oilgate. Annes by 4

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 08/08/2023 21:43:04    2499627

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Replying To bottletopbill:  "Dundon doing well but so much more in him. Emmett Kent has been unreal and a lot hinges on these 2. Numbers are always small in Clongeen due to tiny pick with only 70 odd in one primary school and no second team is a huge blow as the 10 subs do not get enough game time but They are very fit and Mickey Laffan will have them playing to a plan."
Emmet Kent has been very consistent for many years now. Hurling and Football.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 09/08/2023 10:01:01    2499646

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Replying To WexMurph:  "Glynn v Rathnure: the final nobody wants to be in. Think Rathnures struggles on recent years might actually suit them in a game like this. Glynn not used to relegation battles in recent years and have lots of new players. Rathnure by 3

Martins v Gorey: Has the makings of a great game don't think the Gorey backs will give up much space to the martins forwards and I think Gorey will get over the line by 2 points

Annes v Oilgate: both teams will fancy their chances in this , annes seem to be coming at the right time and think it might be a game too far for Oilgate. Annes by 4"
Barntown v Rathnure- Think Barntown will get it together. Barntown by 2
Martins v Gorey- a good defense against an exciting attack. But will Gorey score enough themselves? Martins by 2
Anne's v Oilgate- oilgate are buzzing after last weekend. Anne's are tough though. Celebrations after the game?!! Anne's by 1
Cloughbawn v Fethard- Fethard improving. Cloughbawn down 3 or 4 big names with injury. Still think the Clonroche lads will win by 1.
Jimmys v Taghmon- Taghmon haven't got going this year, eking out 4 1 point wins to get here. Jimmys are the toughest team in Intermediate this year and were unlucky to lose the group game by a point. Think (hope!!!) Taghmon can get their act together for the 1st time this year though. Taghmon by 1, again!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 09/08/2023 10:08:43    2499651

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Replying To bottletopbill:  "Dundon doing well but so much more in him. Emmett Kent has been unreal and a lot hinges on these 2. Numbers are always small in Clongeen due to tiny pick with only 70 odd in one primary school and no second team is a huge blow as the 10 subs do not get enough game time but They are very fit and Mickey Laffan will have them playing to a plan."
Hopefully Dundon gets picked up by Senior management this year and given proper s and c, nutrition, training and in house games against better opponents to bring on his game. If he doesn't this year he could just disappear like so many lads who don't hurl for "traditional " clubs.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 09/08/2023 10:16:32    2499659

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