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Replying To jimbodub: "Realdub Question for you, if you'd prefer not to answer it then that's absolutely no bother, I know you'd prefer your privacy. I've spoken to my father about the Dub teams that he played on in Croke Park, and his answer was simple, "if we weren't good enough on the day, we lost, champions don't need excuses" Being a former Dub player Realdub, at a time when yiz were not perhaps the all conquering team it later became, did you find having Croke Park as an advantage, I know Dubs teams have pretty much crumbled there during the more difficult times, with hype and the weight of expectation, past Dublin teams have struggled on the Croke Park pitch. Did the same dressing room help?" Jim there is no question it was an advantage. But we didn't see it as one at the time. The way we saw it was that teams coming up to challenge us in our own backyard were probably far more motivated. It could work against you at times, we always gave a good account of ourselves in away league games, we would find ourselves just as motivated. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 05/05/2023 23:54:38 2476011 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "All grounds are vested in the GAA. Not owned by the GAA. A very important distinction which renders much of the rest of your post absolutely incorrect." Can you show your reasoning mate? TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 06/05/2023 11:38:06 2476041 Link
Replying To brianb: "Thats an odd viewpoint - because the GAA own the ground its everybody's home ground? Easy solution is for every county to declare their home ground at the start of the year. Where a match is to take place at a neutral venue - it should be in neither county's home ground. We should also specify what games should take place at Croke Park regardless of who's in them (Leinster Final, All Ireland Semi final & Final in my opinion). Croke Park is a neutral venue for every county bar Dublin (assuming they nominate it as their home ground). So Mayo V Cork could be played there but Dublin V Sligo (assuming the finals go as per the bookies) certainly should not." Its not a view point, its a fact. You actually can declare to play your games wherever you like, pending approvals, Kildare have done it in the past and played their home games in Croke Park - more then once. Which makes a bit of a mockery out of the whole Newbridge and nowhere posturing. So what constitutes neutral ground - county boundary, proximity, demographic - is Croke Park really neutral for Kildare- if Kildare play Sligo there is that fair given the frequency they play there in league and Leinster championship - Kildare play more games in Corke Park then most counties - you are closer to Croke Park in North Kildare, then you are parts of Dublin and further from Newbridge. Arguably there are more Dubs in Newbridge and surrounds then people who identify as Kildare. Neutral is a very narrow concept and depends on what margins in your own head you want to apply. You seem confused in your point on one hand you are saying Croke Park isn't neutral because its Dublin home ground then in the next breath you are saying its a neutral ground. Its either one or the other. Croke Park is not neutral for Dublin admittedly, because its Dublin home ground - its part of the City, it will always be Dublin. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 06/05/2023 11:51:14 2476046 Link
Replying To Báireoir: "I thought it was the funding that gave Dublin all their All-Irelands?" It was the funding, home advantage, having good players, good coaches, lots of people, Dublin Joe and The Luas. Us culchies don't have The Luas so we'll throw that in there. And Krispy Kremes, though we can get them down the country now, unlike The Luas. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7970 - 06/05/2023 12:12:52 2476055 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Its not a view point, its a fact. You actually can declare to play your games wherever you like, pending approvals, Kildare have done it in the past and played their home games in Croke Park - more then once. Which makes a bit of a mockery out of the whole Newbridge and nowhere posturing. So what constitutes neutral ground - county boundary, proximity, demographic - is Croke Park really neutral for Kildare- if Kildare play Sligo there is that fair given the frequency they play there in league and Leinster championship - Kildare play more games in Corke Park then most counties - you are closer to Croke Park in North Kildare, then you are parts of Dublin and further from Newbridge. Arguably there are more Dubs in Newbridge and surrounds then people who identify as Kildare. Neutral is a very narrow concept and depends on what margins in your own head you want to apply. You seem confused in your point on one hand you are saying Croke Park isn't neutral because its Dublin home ground then in the next breath you are saying its a neutral ground. Its either one or the other. Croke Park is not neutral for Dublin admittedly, because its Dublin home ground - its part of the City, it will always be Dublin." I fully agree on your last paragraph. When is it a neutral ground? It's a neutral ground when Dublin aren't playing - nothing confusing about that. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 437 - 06/05/2023 12:34:49 2476062 Link
Replying To brianb: "Thats an odd viewpoint - because the GAA own the ground its everybody's home ground? Easy solution is for every county to declare their home ground at the start of the year. Where a match is to take place at a neutral venue - it should be in neither county's home ground. We should also specify what games should take place at Croke Park regardless of who's in them (Leinster Final, All Ireland Semi final & Final in my opinion). Croke Park is a neutral venue for every county bar Dublin (assuming they nominate it as their home ground). So Mayo V Cork could be played there but Dublin V Sligo (assuming the finals go as per the bookies) certainly should not." "Croke Park is a neutral venue for every county bar Dublin" I think this is a bit simplistic. Some teams have far more game time in Croker than others and thus have a clear advantage. I think this is a fairly uncontroversial point, because the amount of Croke Park experience a team has is often cited as a factor going into big games, whether in football or hurling. Báireoir (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 06/05/2023 12:41:19 2476063 Link
But can anybody answer why Dublin always warm up at Hill 16 ? Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 196 - 06/05/2023 12:46:21 2476066 Link
Replying To Fkd12: "But can anybody answer why Dublin always warm up at Hill 16 ?" It was part of the secret protocol in the Treaty of 1921. Nothing you can do about it pal. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3512 - 06/05/2023 14:23:34 2476090 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "It was part of the secret protocol in the Treaty of 1921. Nothing you can do about it pal." Yep. There are a few crazy theories like the dressing rooms and warm up end allocation is just done by alphabetical order but dont believe that rubbish! bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/05/2023 14:56:04 2476096 Link
Replying To brianb: "I fully agree on your last paragraph. When is it a neutral ground? It's a neutral ground when Dublin aren't playing - nothing confusing about that." Hard to know what Ryan was getting his breeches damp for then, if we all agree it's Dublins home ground, then Kildare should be content to be in the away dressing room and allow Dublin all the comforts and advantages of home. Very odd. Delighted mind, imagine wherever we play down the country in the groups (should we get that far) thanks to his comments Dublin will absolutely steam roll Kildare after what Ryan said - Kildare will have more of a chance if this played in Croker, poor from Ryan, never keep the opposition motivation. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 06/05/2023 15:53:48 2476106 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Literally makes no difference though. Dublin is one county out of twelve in Leinster. One out of thirty-two in the country. You don't have to be a mathematical genius to see the truth in what we're saying." But the likes of you and others make out Dublin are being dragged to Croke Park against their will. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1620 - 06/05/2023 18:24:17 2476133 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Don't know where this myth comes from i watched Dublin play league games in Croke Park in the 90s. was a pound into, and you'd get three cans or bars from a pram for 50p." Bit like the myth that millions in funding has nothing to do with success.... oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1620 - 06/05/2023 18:27:33 2476134 Link
Replying To oneoff: "But the likes of you and others make out Dublin are being dragged to Croke Park against their will." If that's how you want to see it go for it man. Dress it up however you like but 1 is not a larger number than 11 or 31. Dublin play where they are told to play. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 06/05/2023 19:01:38 2476153 Link
Replying To Fkd12: "But can anybody answer why Dublin always warm up at Hill 16 ?" Its to with the fact St Laurence O'Toole, the patron Saint of Dublin in the 1172 All Ireland Final vs The Norman under Stronbow scored the winning point in added time. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 06/05/2023 19:24:45 2476165 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "If that's how you want to see it go for it man. Dress it up however you like but 1 is not a larger number than 11 or 31. Dublin play where they are told to play." Wouldn't bother pal, we all know who that multi is, ran of here. They miss us. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 06/05/2023 19:45:21 2476171 Link
I've always felt Dublins biggest ladvantage that rarely gets mentioned is how little time it takes to get to and from training. If you're making the round-trip from belmullet to castlebsr every other day, or carna to tuam etc, that's gotta affect your ability to train to your potential. I do be a wee bit drained after a 30 minute drive tbh. Over the course of a season long training schedule the luas trip is bound to stand to ya,give you that often talked about extra percent or two. Not Dublins fault at all of course, it's just good luck for them the city has the system in place. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 06/05/2023 22:00:32 2476209 Link
At the end of the day it's all about the money and Dublin have been the biggest draw the past decade. I don't see Leinster finals and all Ireland semis and Final ever moving from Croker and rightly so. I do however think it may be time to move league games away from Croker and possibly their neutral venue game in the A.I group. I would love to see games move round the provinces and really put something back into towns throughout the country. Gone are the days of pure excitement of getting a ticket to a big game and looking forward to it for days. Now you can pick up a ticket for most games on the morning of the match. Yes some will lose out on games but if things keep going the way they are then who wants to travel to croker(Dublin) 4/5 times a year with the cost of it. God forbid kerry v tyrone in castlebar or mayo v Dublin in clones would ever happen. Imagine the buzz and business these sort of games would bring. Would do alot more for the promotion of the games than playing double headers in a half filled croke park. Auldleitrimgael (Leitrim) - Posts: 43 - 06/05/2023 23:15:29 2476243 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Wouldn't bother pal, we all know who that multi is, ran of here. They miss us." Ah yes another favourite from you particularly claim everyone else is using multiple accounts. If I am then tell us the other accounts are? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1620 - 07/05/2023 10:08:37 2476287 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "If that's how you want to see it go for it man. Dress it up however you like but 1 is not a larger number than 11 or 31. Dublin play where they are told to play." It's also funny how you keep going on about maths and figures. Here's one for you. €21 million in funding is a larger number than what anyone gets. But of course that has nothing to do with it either does it? But again if you and others have such an issue with Dublin playing in Croke Park why don't you bring it up with your club so they can bring it up with the CB? Seeing as it's such an issue with bring forced to play there all the time? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1620 - 07/05/2023 10:13:36 2476288 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "I've always felt Dublins biggest ladvantage that rarely gets mentioned is how little time it takes to get to and from training. If you're making the round-trip from belmullet to castlebsr every other day, or carna to tuam etc, that's gotta affect your ability to train to your potential. I do be a wee bit drained after a 30 minute drive tbh. Over the course of a season long training schedule the luas trip is bound to stand to ya,give you that often talked about extra percent or two. Not Dublins fault at all of course, it's just good luck for them the city has the system in place." You have obviously never travelled in evening traffic in Dublin Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 76 - 07/05/2023 12:52:47 2476345 Link