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Replying To royler: "Theirs no doubt the premier championship is flawed , and some clubs have milked the system, they are not breaking rules but been clever with naming top 15 and next 13 for second team taking in injury's , college's and lads away in their choices. between A-leagues and premier championships , in fact a player could indeed play in 3 championships if his club had 3 teams, eg. He could have already played in premier 3 for instance, then in premier 1 later this month and maybe make the 1st team in senior or intermediate grade later . I for one think 2nd teams should be allowed play in intermediate/ junior championships if good enough . Also 1st and 2nd teams should not have to play league games on the same date" Some clubs only have to name 8 players
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Replying To winatallcost: "Well the 2nd teams better start stepping up then. Really poor show from them during the league campaigns with quite a few relegated and numerous walkovers given. I hear all these excuses here and there about having them out the same night a first teams and being depleted etc. Smaller clubs have challenges too and they have smaller pools of players. The junior championship this year is arguably the strongest in years. Would the strongest 2nd team contest it? I don't think so. Your point is far from valid at the moment. In the earlier rounds years ago, senior 2nd teams were quite strong but they usually began to fade after round two and the competition lacked consistency and integrity. There may have been the odd exception with Dunboyne a few years ago having an exceptional 2nd team but the junior championship was weaker at the time and is in a far stronger place now. If anything I would be stripping the 2nd teams out of the A leagues as well. Too many walkovers and not enough games being completed!" Utter waffle. Of course the 2nd teams will struggle in the leagues when they are expected to play the same night as their first team because probably 5 or 6 of their strongest players will be warming the bench for the first team. Ridiculous not take this into account when it comes to judging their performance in the league. Put them out on different nights to their first team and you'd see a huge difference in their performances in the league.
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Replying To ratlag: "Your grasp of the football championship in Meath is clearly as good as your grasp of the English language!! I'd suggest learning what 'irony' means, as its not exactly relevant here at all." Lol
Utdroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 06/07/2023 10:32:59
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Replying To winatallcost: "Well the 2nd teams better start stepping up then. Really poor show from them during the league campaigns with quite a few relegated and numerous walkovers given. I hear all these excuses here and there about having them out the same night a first teams and being depleted etc. Smaller clubs have challenges too and they have smaller pools of players. The junior championship this year is arguably the strongest in years. Would the strongest 2nd team contest it? I don't think so. Your point is far from valid at the moment. In the earlier rounds years ago, senior 2nd teams were quite strong but they usually began to fade after round two and the competition lacked consistency and integrity. There may have been the odd exception with Dunboyne a few years ago having an exceptional 2nd team but the junior championship was weaker at the time and is in a far stronger place now. If anything I would be stripping the 2nd teams out of the A leagues as well. Too many walkovers and not enough games being completed!" Bang on
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Replying To Utdroyal: "They have 2nd team championship,where if you aren't good enough for your first team,you know that right?dublin was an example ffs,jesus wept,it could be any sport,boston celtics/new york giants,Accrington stanley,the sheer arrogance of your argument is impressive" Yeah, imagine Real Madrid having a 2nd team in the Spanish 3rd tier .
Imagine Juventus having a second team in Serie C.
Imagine Lyon having a second team in the French 4th tier.
Imagine Bayern Munich having a second team in the German 4th tier.
It's easy to imagine because they all do in reality.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1696 - 06/07/2023 10:36:44
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Utter waffle. Of course the 2nd teams will struggle in the leagues when they are expected to play the same night as their first team because probably 5 or 6 of their strongest players will be warming the bench for the first team. Ridiculous not take this into account when it comes to judging their performance in the league. Put them out on different nights to their first team and you'd see a huge difference in their performances in the league." Lol,They are supposed to be 2 separate teams, you know that right,that's the point
Utdroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 06/07/2023 10:37:30
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Replying To winatallcost: "Well the 2nd teams better start stepping up then. Really poor show from them during the league campaigns with quite a few relegated and numerous walkovers given. I hear all these excuses here and there about having them out the same night a first teams and being depleted etc. Smaller clubs have challenges too and they have smaller pools of players. The junior championship this year is arguably the strongest in years. Would the strongest 2nd team contest it? I don't think so. Your point is far from valid at the moment. In the earlier rounds years ago, senior 2nd teams were quite strong but they usually began to fade after round two and the competition lacked consistency and integrity. There may have been the odd exception with Dunboyne a few years ago having an exceptional 2nd team but the junior championship was weaker at the time and is in a far stronger place now. If anything I would be stripping the 2nd teams out of the A leagues as well. Too many walkovers and not enough games being completed!" Stepping up? What a load of rubbish, having to play a second team game the same night as a first team simply isn't feasible even without the worry of county players, colleges and injuries. An you are right, smaller clubs do have challenges to, such as St. Pauls who first team conceded every game this year. And yes, I would say that the likes of Ratoath, Dunboyne, Ashbourne and Summerhills second teams (we will say second 20 players) would all comfortably compete at Junior A level. Ashbourne and Dunboyne were both Intermediate before the restructure and Ratoath had just won Junior B. In the league this year Ratoath beat both Clan Na Gael and Castletown in the league with their second string as well so your logic that they would contest is very flawed. If you want to avoid walkovers and increase competition, play first a nd second teams the day after each other, its a very simple and easily implemented solution.
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Replying To Utdroyal: "Lol,They are supposed to be 2 separate teams, you know that right,that's the point" Clearly you aren't involved in a gaa club if you think the first team and the second team are completely separate teams with no cross over between them. Maybe educate yourself on how Gaa teams work before you come on with statements.
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Clearly you aren't involved in a gaa club if you think the first team and the second team are completely separate teams with no cross over between them. Maybe educate yourself on how Gaa teams work before you come on with statements." I give up,that is beyond ridiculous
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Replying To Utdroyal: "I give up,that is beyond ridiculous" Well if you think that first teams and seocnds teams are 2 different teams with no crossover you probably should give up because you haven't a clue how it works .
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Replying To Utdroyal: "Lol,They are supposed to be 2 separate teams, you know that right,that's the point" Utterly Clueless
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Utter waffle. Of course the 2nd teams will struggle in the leagues when they are expected to play the same night as their first team because probably 5 or 6 of their strongest players will be warming the bench for the first team. Ridiculous not take this into account when it comes to judging their performance in the league. Put them out on different nights to their first team and you'd see a huge difference in their performances in the league." Wrong again sir. In championship football these 5 or 6 guys warming bench for 1st team squad as you say who are were not available will not be eligible for championship on 2nd team or at least as championship progress. Or does your big senior club only use 15 players???? The rule was that any player that played championship football for any period at senior level, could not play junior. By round 3 I guess there would be walkovers again. A great junior championship that would be.
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Replying To winatallcost: "Wrong again sir. In championship football these 5 or 6 guys warming bench for 1st team squad as you say who are were not available will not be eligible for championship on 2nd team or at least as championship progress. Or does your big senior club only use 15 players???? The rule was that any player that played championship football for any period at senior level, could not play junior. By round 3 I guess there would be walkovers again. A great junior championship that would be." Or you could use you head and figure out that if 5-6 lads from the second team are on the bench for the league games, ites because 5-6 of the regular first teams subs are on the pitch while the county/injured players aren't there. Once they come back you now have 10-12 lads on the bench, all of whom are eligible to play 2nd team until they are used in the seniors. 10-12 players is about 66-80% of the starting team for the 2nd's. If they lose 5-6 of them as the season goes one, then the 2nd team subs come in and Wala, games are still played, no walkovers. Hardly Rocket Science
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Replying To winatallcost: "Wrong again sir. In championship football these 5 or 6 guys warming bench for 1st team squad as you say who are were not available will not be eligible for championship on 2nd team or at least as championship progress. Or does your big senior club only use 15 players???? The rule was that any player that played championship football for any period at senior level, could not play junior. By round 3 I guess there would be walkovers again. A great junior championship that would be." Good god.
Why are you bringing championship into it?? Read my post it was about league availability.
The entire conversation and discussion over the last day has been about League and 2nds teams struggling in the leagues because they are playing the same night as the first teams so they are missing 5 or 6 lads who are on the bench for the first team.
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Replying To ratlag: "Or you could use you head and figure out that if 5-6 lads from the second team are on the bench for the league games, ites because 5-6 of the regular first teams subs are on the pitch while the county/injured players aren't there. Once they come back you now have 10-12 lads on the bench, all of whom are eligible to play 2nd team until they are used in the seniors. 10-12 players is about 66-80% of the starting team for the 2nd's. If they lose 5-6 of them as the season goes one, then the 2nd team subs come in and Wala, games are still played, no walkovers. Hardly Rocket Science" It is rocket science for those who don't seem to understand the difference in how the leagues work and how the championship works.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1084 - 07/07/2023 12:52:07
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Replying To Blackspot09: "It is rocket science for those who don't seem to understand the difference in how the leagues work and how the championship works." Agreed
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Good god.
Why are you bringing championship into it?? Read my post it was about league availability.
The entire conversation and discussion over the last day has been about League and 2nds teams struggling in the leagues because they are playing the same night as the first teams so they are missing 5 or 6 lads who are on the bench for the first team." Oh I don't know. I guess maybe as the title of this whole topic is club championship and your very self made reference to a weak junior club championship without the 2nd teams. Or tell me I have got the whole thing totally wrong! There is a separate topic on the forum about A leagues. I guess it can be confusing . All the senior teams having 5 or 6 lads playing county. Wow there are 16 senior clubs so Meath must have a massive squad of 90-96 players, not to mention any junior or intermediate players that are on the panel.
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Replying To winatallcost: "Oh I don't know. I guess maybe as the title of this whole topic is club championship and your very self made reference to a weak junior club championship without the 2nd teams. Or tell me I have got the whole thing totally wrong! There is a separate topic on the forum about A leagues. I guess it can be confusing . All the senior teams having 5 or 6 lads playing county. Wow there are 16 senior clubs so Meath must have a massive squad of 90-96 players, not to mention any junior or intermediate players that are on the panel." Where did anyone say all teams have 5/6 County players... you are just seeing what you want you see.
It was said that club first teams would be missing 5/6 through injury/County which you interpreted as us saying each team has 5 or 6 county players LOL... My post literally mentioned league performances in it. But again you are seeing what you want to see.
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Any predictions for championship groups??
Who makes it out of groups at all grades and who will be battling to stay up?
I'd rather discuss that than the childish bickering on this forum..
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Replying To trueblue1995: "Any predictions for championship groups??
Who makes it out of groups at all grades and who will be battling to stay up?
I'd rather discuss that than the childish bickering on this forum.." Good for you. Discuss what ye want. Nobody is stopping you Lad.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1084 - 09/07/2023 14:57:49
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