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Tailteann Cup 2023

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Replying To KnockaineyAbú:  "Limerick are top of their group and you have them ONLY 6th?"
They're in by far the worst group tbf

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 23/05/2023 10:43:12    2480802

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I think the final of this competition should be played as the curtain raiser to the All Ireland final but I don't believe that is the case??

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 23/05/2023 10:58:07    2480809

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Who will the 4 groups and automatically be in the quarter finals proper?
Cavan-Down-Limerick -Fermanagh be a fair guess?

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 23/05/2023 11:28:09    2480819

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "I think the final of this competition should be played as the curtain raiser to the All Ireland final but I don't believe that is the case??"
No it's not. Tickets would be hard got then. Was before the semi with Derry and Galway last year and that worked well all things considered

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 23/05/2023 11:59:34    2480833

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "I think the final of this competition should be played as the curtain raiser to the All Ireland final but I don't believe that is the case??"
This final deserves a day for itself. If it's played as a curtain raiser there will be a scarcity of tickets so people will be up in arms about that also. Plus as a curtain raiser Croke Park would only be quarter full

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1664 - 23/05/2023 11:59:34    2480834

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "I think the final of this competition should be played as the curtain raiser to the All Ireland final but I don't believe that is the case??"
No its played before all ireland semi final on July 17th same as last year

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1098 - 23/05/2023 12:01:40    2480835

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Replying To lor12:  "Wicklow had a very poor showing in this compettion due to injuries and really cost them . I think another tiered compettion needs to be looked at due to the fact division 2 teams are in this cup it is a joke meath are division 2 should be in sam maguire in my view so should down and cavan . the gaa will have to come up with another compettion for teams that are struggling"
Lor12

The way we are playing, or being managed, or both at the moment, we would struggle in a third tier.

Limerick will hammer us.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 23/05/2023 13:05:50    2480879

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Replying To drumalee11:  "Tailteann Cup Power Rankings after Week 2.

1. Cavan
2. Down
3. Meath
4. Fermanagh
5. Antrim
6. Limerick
7. Offaly
8. Laois
9. Wexford
10. Longford
11. Carlow
12. Wicklow
13. London
14. Tipperary
15. Waterford
16. New York
17. Leitrim

Any Disagreements let me know."
Hard to disagree with much here..probably a bit harsh on Longford who despite a bad league have had a good TC.

Wicklow on the other hand had a very good league but have had a mare so far in TC.

Leitrim's loss to NYC seems to have had a very bad impact on them, but based on the way they played against Laois in the league, i'd have them ahead of Waterford, London and NYC.

Laois form the same as the league, blowing hot and cold. Unlucky to go in behind at HT in Cavan thanks to a very dodgy penalty, but were outclassed for 20 mins in the second half of that game, and then should've beaten Offaly out the gate last weekend but ****** away a 6 point lead...very frustrating!

If they keep up the interest levels, it looks like Cavan's cup to lose.

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 79 - 23/05/2023 13:54:51    2480904

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Replying To Laoisvillian:  "Hard to disagree with much here..probably a bit harsh on Longford who despite a bad league have had a good TC.

Wicklow on the other hand had a very good league but have had a mare so far in TC.

Leitrim's loss to NYC seems to have had a very bad impact on them, but based on the way they played against Laois in the league, i'd have them ahead of Waterford, London and NYC.

Laois form the same as the league, blowing hot and cold. Unlucky to go in behind at HT in Cavan thanks to a very dodgy penalty, but were outclassed for 20 mins in the second half of that game, and then should've beaten Offaly out the gate last weekend but ****** away a 6 point lead...very frustrating!

If they keep up the interest levels, it looks like Cavan's cup to lose."
Yeah I will revisit it in two weeks time a lot of teams with potential to move significantly.

Still holding back judgement on Longford; I think their next game will give us a better indication of where they are at as regards consistency but they are trending in the right direction for sure.

Yep perhaps a tad harsh on Leitrim however they still finished 5th in Division 4 despite being 2 Minutes from promotion, and have had 3 terrible results since that. They are suffering from injuries I hear though.

I'd agree on Laois very harsh penalty still not sure what it was given for. As a Cavan man myself I'd be worried about Down if we met them again. They seem to be building something there again.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 23/05/2023 17:02:57    2481015

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Limerick v Wicklow being a dead rubber is a curtain raiser for the other the other Round 3 group game between Longford and Carlow. Limerick can give their squad a run on June 4th. Their Tailteann quarter-final is June 17th.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 23/05/2023 17:57:39    2481046

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Really looking forward to the Antrim Fermanagh game.

2 chances at a quarterfinal spot. 2 more games against teams around our level.

Definitely signs of the way forward.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 29/05/2023 10:14:28    2482467

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Replying To Laoisvillian:  "Hard to disagree with much here..probably a bit harsh on Longford who despite a bad league have had a good TC.

Wicklow on the other hand had a very good league but have had a mare so far in TC.

Leitrim's loss to NYC seems to have had a very bad impact on them, but based on the way they played against Laois in the league, i'd have them ahead of Waterford, London and NYC.

Laois form the same as the league, blowing hot and cold. Unlucky to go in behind at HT in Cavan thanks to a very dodgy penalty, but were outclassed for 20 mins in the second half of that game, and then should've beaten Offaly out the gate last weekend but ****** away a 6 point lead...very frustrating!

If they keep up the interest levels, it looks like Cavan's cup to lose."
Wicklow management focused on the league and promotion which i agree with; in order to develop young players they need to compete in a higher division. We needed to win our first game which was home to carlow which we threw away. Poor performance last day against Longford. Big improvement required against Limerick, hope to finish season with a good performance.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1916 - 29/05/2023 12:03:51    2482510

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Wicklow management focused on the league and promotion which i agree with; in order to develop young players they need to compete in a higher division. We needed to win our first game which was home to carlow which we threw away. Poor performance last day against Longford. Big improvement required against Limerick, hope to finish season with a good performance."
No they didn't. You're re-writing history there. McConvillle repeatedly said he was focusing on both the league and the TC. Funny how since ye're the first county in the country to be eliminated you've decided it was never a target for this year anyway.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 29/05/2023 13:52:20    2482563

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A win for Laois or London and Leitrim or Wexford could change their seasons. Tipperary or Waterford look set to miss out on the three third place spots.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 29/05/2023 14:23:44    2482577

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Replying To legendzxix:  "A win for Laois or London and Leitrim or Wexford could change their seasons. Tipperary or Waterford look set to miss out on the three third place spots."
If Waterford beat Tipp on Saturday it puts Carlow under pressure not to be beaten by much v Longford on Sunday … hopefully not beaten at all.

I'm certainly not complaining but there's an argument both these games should be played at the same time as it's definitely an advantage to Carlow to play on Sunday knowing precisely (down to the point) what they have to do on Sunday to qualify. It might be that a 6 point defeat will do whereas a 7 point defeat won't. As I say better to just go out to win and forget all that but there might be a time in the game when limiting the damage is preferable to chasing the game.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 29/05/2023 15:34:32    2482635

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "If Waterford beat Tipp on Saturday it puts Carlow under pressure not to be beaten by much v Longford on Sunday … hopefully not beaten at all.

I'm certainly not complaining but there's an argument both these games should be played at the same time as it's definitely an advantage to Carlow to play on Sunday knowing precisely (down to the point) what they have to do on Sunday to qualify. It might be that a 6 point defeat will do whereas a 7 point defeat won't. As I say better to just go out to win and forget all that but there might be a time in the game when limiting the damage is preferable to chasing the game."
Longford and Carlow can just play out a draw and they're both through.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 29/05/2023 18:03:58    2482705

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Really looking forward to the Antrim Fermanagh game.

2 chances at a quarterfinal spot. 2 more games against teams around our level.

Definitely signs of the way forward."
How is mcentee getting on with the players ? And what sort of system are they using ??
I fear that at some stage Meath and Antrim will face each other.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/05/2023 18:32:58    2482713

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "If Waterford beat Tipp on Saturday it puts Carlow under pressure not to be beaten by much v Longford on Sunday … hopefully not beaten at all.

I'm certainly not complaining but there's an argument both these games should be played at the same time as it's definitely an advantage to Carlow to play on Sunday knowing precisely (down to the point) what they have to do on Sunday to qualify. It might be that a 6 point defeat will do whereas a 7 point defeat won't. As I say better to just go out to win and forget all that but there might be a time in the game when limiting the damage is preferable to chasing the game."
I thought they would play the final group games all at the same time for that reason. The GAA often prefer to learn these things as they go along!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 31/05/2023 17:21:27    2483232

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Replying To Greenfield:  "Longford and Carlow can just play out a draw and they're both through."
They're both through already.
The winner gets a home draw as 2nd place team.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1440 - 01/06/2023 10:03:41    2483304

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "They're both through already.
The winner gets a home draw as 2nd place team."
It's an unlikely scenario but the loser could be knocked out by a heavy defeat and a big win for Tipp or Waterford.

A draw would guarantee both go through.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 01/06/2023 12:14:25    2483346

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