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3 tiers is a no-brainer in the long term. Provincials to eventually go, more emphasis on the leagues and much more coverage for each tier. ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 172 - 13/05/2023 22:42:54 2478198 Link
Replying To Ban: "I'd name it something different but yes, 3 levels would improve things.." 3 tiers work in club football and LGFA county football; why is men's county football different? befair (Down) - Posts: 238 - 13/05/2023 23:34:15 2478207 Link
Replying To katser: "Meath, Down, Cavan and Offaly with 20 All Ireland Senior titles between them all playing 2nd tier Football...who would ever think that." What has that got to do with it? veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 750 - 14/05/2023 07:11:22 2478212 Link
Replying To katser: "Meath, Down, Cavan and Offaly with 20 All Ireland Senior titles between them all playing 2nd tier Football...who would ever think that." 29 All Irelands if you include Wexford's 5 and Tipperary's 4. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 14/05/2023 08:45:41 2478223 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "A Carlow footballer was speaking in favour of the current two tier structure. The onus is on lower Division 4 counties to improve." True enough .. otherwise u just keep introducing new lower tiers as some counties drop and drop standards …why not a fourth tier for Kilkenny and who ever drops from tier 3 ! KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 339 - 14/05/2023 09:07:08 2478228 Link
Replying To Ban: "I'd name it something different but yes, 3 levels would improve things.." 3 levels is the norm on the Club scene all over. It works. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 14/05/2023 09:25:36 2478232 Link
Tell me again why Waterford's senior status is preserved? Any joe McDonagh team could go out and get a hiding too. They should have to play off against last in Leinster to stay up. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 14/05/2023 09:39:43 2478234 Link
The atmosphere in navan was a bit surreal, nothing like championship or even league. Despite Colm's insistence it would seem it ain't that big of deal. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/05/2023 09:43:57 2478236 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Junior,intermediate and senior, what a great idea." I'm not too sure that 3 levels would do much to improve standards. That would realistically mean 4 steps of continual improvement to get to the All Ireland proper level. I'm not sure that many county boards would be prepared to give any coaching team that amount of leeway given that there might be a year or two between progressions. How often to you see a Junior B team getting to senior status within a county. I know it does happen but rarely. I would back the Carlow captain on this. Leave it as it is - for a year or two anyway and see how it develops. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1614 - 14/05/2023 09:51:13 2478237 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "The atmosphere in navan was a bit surreal, nothing like championship or even league. Despite Colm's insistence it would seem it ain't that big of deal." For a county with a proud and serious footballing tradition as Meath the Tailteann probably would be seen as a bit beneath them to be honest which is unsurprising. Maybe in the later rounds should Meath get there inteeret will pick up but the Tailteann would be good for counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Westmeath as we saw last year. Their fans will embrace it and take it deadly serious as they should. For counties like Meath and Down especially it would be something maybe not that appealing. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 14/05/2023 11:26:44 2478256 Link
Replying To befair: "3 tiers work in club football and LGFA county football; why is men's county football different?" I think it's different because of the provincial structure within men's football. Councils are more focused on what's good for them than what's good for the game.. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 14/05/2023 11:59:19 2478265 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "A Carlow footballer was speaking in favour of the current two tier structure. The onus is on lower Division 4 counties to improve." The carlow manager last year was against the tailteann cup because he said that Carlow beat laois in the sam maguire cup back in the ninties and he would be sad to miss days like this that sums up most peoples attitude towards the tailteann cup rather spend 300k trainning no hopers to win sam delude or what including my own county cavan tailteann cup away beneath our level and we wont even be good enough to win it this year. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 485 - 14/05/2023 12:28:03 2478286 Link
Replying To Viking66: "29 All Irelands if you include Wexford's 5 and Tipperary's 4." And Limerick have won two so 31. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 14/05/2023 13:13:33 2478303 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "3 levels is the norm on the Club scene all over. It works." But there tends to be a lot more clubs in a county in general. In the past teams teams played at Junior at inter county level and not senior. Before winning senior All-Irelands in the mid 40s Roscommon had won Junior All-Irelands and that was the only grade at adult level they played. The likes of Fermanagh and Clare among others did similar at different times. Teams have to start somewhere but adding another teir won't help anyone imo oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 14/05/2023 13:17:35 2478305 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Tell me again why Waterford's senior status is preserved? Any joe McDonagh team could go out and get a hiding too. They should have to play off against last in Leinster to stay up." Since the round robin in Munster came in how many games have Waterford won? They definitely won once in the first two seasons of it. Wasn't there in 2020 or 2021 and I'm pretty sure they only beat Tipp last year. If Kerry, Westmeath, Carlow etc had that record they'd be relegated without question. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1623 - 14/05/2023 13:22:00 2478308 Link
This year's structure is a bit of a mess. Mayo with 6 or 7 weeks rest while Galway have 2 before entering the round robin is so unbalanced. Similar with TC entrants who went out in first round compared to counties who went out in provincial semi-finals. What's the best route? We'll find out in the next few weeks but that's not the point. Every county should have the same route, same number of weeks' rest and same number of games. Is the GAA deliberately setting this year's structure up to be a mess so they can get rid of the Provincial Championships? My preference is 8 groups of 4 with a Division 1, 2, 3 and 4 team in each group and the Div 4 team playing all their games at home, Div 3 playing Div 2 and Div 1 team at home and Div 2 plating Div team at home. Top 2 teams into Sam last 16 while bottom 2 drop to Tailteann. Sure there will be some hammerings and dead rubbers but nothing worse than now and, you would hope, counties will improve. This way they get a minimum of 4 championship intensity games every year. I think in 5 years time you have a much more competitive championship. opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 519 - 14/05/2023 13:36:26 2478310 Link
Replying To Viking66: "29 All Irelands if you include Wexford's 5 and Tipperary's 4." Oh yes I forgot Wexford and Tipperary......it was so long ago! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2563 - 14/05/2023 13:49:13 2478316 Link
Replying To katser: "Oh yes I forgot Wexford and Tipperary......it was so long ago!" And Cavan wasn't?!!!!!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 14/05/2023 15:28:39 2478350 Link
Laois lost by 1-6 on Saturday. Tipperary and Waterford lost by 1-8. I wouldn't call them results that warrant a third tier. Taking the comments of the Carlow footballer on board it's a case of Laois, Tipperary and Waterford having to work on closing the gap that is there. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 14/05/2023 16:31:29 2478364 Link
Replying To Viking66: "And Cavan wasn't?!!!!!!" It's just been so long ago since Wexford won anything decent in Football they accidentally slipped my mind and I didn't include them in the same regard as Cavan, Down, Meath and Offaly regarding Football Honors. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2563 - 14/05/2023 16:38:05 2478367 Link