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Replying To Breffni1969: "My opinion is the Tailteann should be a straight knockout with an incentive of a place maybe in the present year of the All Ireland quarter finals as the prize.
Take Westmeath for example . They were a better team last year than they are this year. The had momentum after winning the Tailteann cup. Why not continue that with a quarter final spot same year. ?
This years system is a joke in my opinion. Teams playing teams over minimum of 3 games around their own level . It just an extension of Div 3/4 league really.
If for example London lose their Away match to Offaly then lose at home to Cavan , their 3rd game is completely meaningless at a neutral venue. , which will probably be in Ireland somewhere. Who foots that unnecessary travel bill?" Win their 3rd game and they'll be most likely in the last 12.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 13/05/2023 10:16:27
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If it was knockout Dublin Airport would be back to chaos with all the players leaving.
Seems to be a few posters on here thinking their county is too good to be in it.
The TC is based on league positions. And the league does not lie. It tells you your level.
Accept it.
sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2929 - 13/05/2023 10:41:19
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Replying To Breffni1969: "My opinion is the Tailteann should be a straight knockout with an incentive of a place maybe in the present year of the All Ireland quarter finals as the prize.
Take Westmeath for example . They were a better team last year than they are this year. The had momentum after winning the Tailteann cup. Why not continue that with a quarter final spot same year. ?
This years system is a joke in my opinion. Teams playing teams over minimum of 3 games around their own level . It just an extension of Div 3/4 league really.
If for example London lose their Away match to Offaly then lose at home to Cavan , their 3rd game is completely meaningless at a neutral venue. , which will probably be in Ireland somewhere. Who foots that unnecessary travel bill?" typical irish [cavan ? } stuff , the T C has not started yet and its all wrong, and of course money has to come in to it!!!! maybe niall toibin was right after all
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2973 - 13/05/2023 11:17:10
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Replying To sponger: "Why should Wicklow be shown on free TV ? We are a premium product.
Whoever beats Wicklow will win the TC, otherwise their cup will mean nothing." Because it's the only game involving neighbours and isn't too far from Dublin so the argument that Friday is unfair on players who work Fridays isn't applicable.
11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 367 - 13/05/2023 11:28:34
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Replying To sponger: "If it was knockout Dublin Airport would be back to chaos with all the players leaving.
Seems to be a few posters on here thinking their county is too good to be in it.
The TC is based on league positions. And the league does not lie. It tells you your level.
Accept it." Let players have a Summer off, they are not professionals. Take my own County. Final of Tailteann cup then Club championship didn't finish until late October . Then players back in December training with County again.
Other Players like Clifford's, Shane Walsh Conor Glass got less time off. It's no wonder players are retort at 30.
Utter madness these groups in both Tailteann and All Ireland . There was nothing wrong with the original open draw back door . Then they started seeding teams now this farce.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 13/05/2023 11:41:49
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Replying To legendzxix: "Saturday 13 May
Tailteann Cup round 1
Cavan v Laois, Kingspan Breffni, 4pm - GAAGO
Limerick v Longford, TUS Gaelic Grounds, 6pm
Down v Waterford, Pairc Esler, 6pm
Meath v Tipperary, Pairc Tailteann, 6.30pm
It'll be important to win the home games. All 4 home teams will be favourites today." Down are the only standout faves there, rest are tight, meath cant kick points and friends in Laois say this is their worst team ever
DCFCGAA (Derry) - Posts: 65 - 13/05/2023 12:11:37
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Some still are hitting airport(offaly have 3 gone), would help if GAA wernt ripping fans off with pricing for games, players aren't exactly going to feels championship vibes with 300/400 people at games.
Breffni agree be better for tailteann winners to.enter all reland series with momentum from run of wins rather than wait a year(form changes, players retire etc) though would be hard to get calendar to suit that, obvious thing be to move all ireland to August, with TC finished by end of June maybe
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "typical irish [cavan ? } stuff , the T C has not started yet and its all wrong, and of course money has to come in to it!!!! maybe niall toibin was right after all" Well let's see how many Wexford Supports travel to Fermanagh then!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 13/05/2023 13:30:44
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I think there were a few things that happened but the solution to the season in my mind involved just playing the league and Provincials in parallel.
Using them as a sort of regular season and having the All Ireland still be a knockout.
You'd have Provincial champions plus top 4 from league straight to last 16.
You'd have Provincial Finalists plus best 8 others making at least the last 24.
You'd have the 16 lowest ranked teams not making their Provincial finals in round 1.
Look at say Antrim we'd be in round 1 but we'd only be 2 games away from the All Ireland last 16 and a big tie. We'd probably be slight favourites in a round 1 fixture and be in with a fighting chance in round 2. One of the issues with the qualifiers for the likes of Antrim or the weaker Leinster counties was that we were 4 rounds away from getting out of the qualifiers and rejoining the field. Reaching the quarterfinals had prestige but it was very far off.
The split season was a bad idea too.
Could have had February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club championship.
April, May, June, July for National Leagues, Provincial championships and also fit in 3 club weekends for each code in that time.
Championship August to September and when your county team's out the remainder of the club championship gets played.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4520 - 13/05/2023 15:43:48
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Replying To Whammo86: "I think there were a few things that happened but the solution to the season in my mind involved just playing the league and Provincials in parallel.
Using them as a sort of regular season and having the All Ireland still be a knockout.
You'd have Provincial champions plus top 4 from league straight to last 16.
You'd have Provincial Finalists plus best 8 others making at least the last 24.
You'd have the 16 lowest ranked teams not making their Provincial finals in round 1.
Look at say Antrim we'd be in round 1 but we'd only be 2 games away from the All Ireland last 16 and a big tie. We'd probably be slight favourites in a round 1 fixture and be in with a fighting chance in round 2. One of the issues with the qualifiers for the likes of Antrim or the weaker Leinster counties was that we were 4 rounds away from getting out of the qualifiers and rejoining the field. Reaching the quarterfinals had prestige but it was very far off.
The split season was a bad idea too.
Could have had February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club championship.
April, May, June, July for National Leagues, Provincial championships and also fit in 3 club weekends for each code in that time.
Championship August to September and when your county team's out the remainder of the club championship gets played." Cavan looking likely winners.
Plenty of space in Breffni!!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 13/05/2023 17:07:37
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Replying To Whammo86: "I think there were a few things that happened but the solution to the season in my mind involved just playing the league and Provincials in parallel.
Using them as a sort of regular season and having the All Ireland still be a knockout.
You'd have Provincial champions plus top 4 from league straight to last 16.
You'd have Provincial Finalists plus best 8 others making at least the last 24.
You'd have the 16 lowest ranked teams not making their Provincial finals in round 1.
Look at say Antrim we'd be in round 1 but we'd only be 2 games away from the All Ireland last 16 and a big tie. We'd probably be slight favourites in a round 1 fixture and be in with a fighting chance in round 2. One of the issues with the qualifiers for the likes of Antrim or the weaker Leinster counties was that we were 4 rounds away from getting out of the qualifiers and rejoining the field. Reaching the quarterfinals had prestige but it was very far off.
The split season was a bad idea too.
Could have had February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club championship.
April, May, June, July for National Leagues, Provincial championships and also fit in 3 club weekends for each code in that time.
Championship August to September and when your county team's out the remainder of the club championship gets played." Split season is here to stay. The club only weekends were nkt popular and a lot counties didn't allow their players to play in case they got injured.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 13/05/2023 19:00:53
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Meath, Down, Cavan and Offaly with 20 All Ireland Senior titles between them all playing 2nd tier Football...who would ever think that.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2563 - 13/05/2023 20:13:42
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A few double digit wins today much like the Connacht and Munster finals last weekend and Cavan won by 9. One sided contested can't be avoided no matter the format or amount of tiers are in place.
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "A few double digit wins today much like the Connacht and Munster finals last weekend and Cavan won by 9. One sided contested can't be avoided no matter the format or amount of tiers are in place." The league?
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Replying To DCFCGAA: "Down are the only standout faves there, rest are tight, meath cant kick points and friends in Laois say this is their worst team ever" Tailteann Cup round 1
Cavan 2-20 Laois 1-14, Kingspan Breffni FT
Limerick 2-16 Longford 1-16, TUS Gaelic Grounds FT
Down 2-14 Waterford 1-6, Pairc Esler FT
Meath 1-19 Tipperary 0-11, Pairc Tailteann FT
4 homes wins as expected today. Down and Meath as expected should be battling to win Group 2. Tipperary v Waterford will be a final day playoff for the preliminary quarter-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 13/05/2023 20:51:00
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Replying To Ban: "The league?" if there were three tiers teams would be much more evenly matched
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Replying To breffnibluewhite: "if there were three tiers teams would be much more evenly matched" Junior,intermediate and senior, what a great idea.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Junior,intermediate and senior, what a great idea." A Carlow footballer was speaking in favour of the current two tier structure. The onus is on lower Division 4 counties to improve.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 13/05/2023 22:15:07
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Replying To breffnibluewhite: "if there were three tiers teams would be much more evenly matched" Two is more than enough, as the Carlow captain said recently dilute any more it will be very hard to keep lads motivated
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Junior,intermediate and senior, what a great idea." I'd name it something different but yes, 3 levels would improve things..
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 13/05/2023 22:38:47
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