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Replying To legendzxix: ""I think two tiers is enough, it is up to the likes of ourselves and a few teams in the bottom half of Division 4 to raise our standards, to get up to that level," Carlow veteran Darragh Foley said. "If you dilute it any more it will be very hard to keep lads motivated and bring youngsters through that want to play inter-county football. So I think two tiers is enough, as I say I just want to raise standards, to get up to the levels of your Meaths or the bottom of Division Two teams." Darragh is making a fair point. It is easy for some to suggest a third tier is needed. The players have to be on board and the majority of players seem to support the current two tier format." Yeah it is a fair point and it's really important to be listening to the players on this stuff. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 10:04:05 2477784 Link
Replying To legendzxix: ""I think two tiers is enough, it is up to the likes of ourselves and a few teams in the bottom half of Division 4 to raise our standards, to get up to that level," Carlow veteran Darragh Foley said. "If you dilute it any more it will be very hard to keep lads motivated and bring youngsters through that want to play inter-county football. So I think two tiers is enough, as I say I just want to raise standards, to get up to the levels of your Meaths or the bottom of Division Two teams." Darragh is making a fair point. It is easy for some to suggest a third tier is needed. The players have to be on board and the majority of players seem to support the current two tier format." I think this is very true. There will always be teams that are not going to win it, same with the Sam Maguire but the three games and greater exposure can only be a good thing for many counties. Otherwise what is there to play for after the league ends? Look at somewhere like Leitrim. Football mad. Yet barring a lucky draw that seems to occur once a decade they will have to beat Galway, Mayo or Roscommon to make a Provincial final. Then what maybe one win in the qualifiers before being put out. In the Tailteann they may make the semi finals with a good draw and would bring some crowd to Croker. Leitrim are just one example. There are others who are in the same boat. It is a really good competition with the incentives of Sam Maguire participation the year after if you win it, a team holiday and personal accolades with a team of the year all star type award. Not to mention an All Ireland winners medal. Let's give it a chance. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 159 - 12/05/2023 11:14:05 2477809 Link
Replying To drumalee11: "Agree 100% with that. Two Tiers more than enough. Any more tiers would totally dilute the championships. I think we are on the right path with the current structure a few tweaks and we are nearly there. Provincials becoming the pre-season competitions instead of the O'Byrne / McKenna Cups could be one tweak or played alongside the leagues." I think Provincials can be played and can be part of Championship but just be used better. 2 tiers with 2 groups of 8 just makes so much sense to me. Gets away from groups of 4 that doesn't work well for GAA. Doesn't split the field into 4 (which is problem with the Provincials) so gets more games with teams around the same level. It can be used for qualification for the following seasons All Ireland so there's something to play for at the bottom and that you can have an intense competition for the knockout places. If you got 16 teams at the end of each season Provisionally qualified. 13 from tier 1, 3 from tier 2. Had Provincials at the start of the following season. Provincial champions into Tier 1. Provincial runners up into a qualifying game with the lowest ranked teams from the Previous season. You don't want teams losing their place because of results in a Province they aren't a part of. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 11:24:19 2477812 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "I think Provincials can be played and can be part of Championship but just be used better. 2 tiers with 2 groups of 8 just makes so much sense to me. Gets away from groups of 4 that doesn't work well for GAA. Doesn't split the field into 4 (which is problem with the Provincials) so gets more games with teams around the same level. It can be used for qualification for the following seasons All Ireland so there's something to play for at the bottom and that you can have an intense competition for the knockout places. If you got 16 teams at the end of each season Provisionally qualified. 13 from tier 1, 3 from tier 2. Had Provincials at the start of the following season. Provincial champions into Tier 1. Provincial runners up into a qualifying game with the lowest ranked teams from the Previous season. You don't want teams losing their place because of results in a Province they aren't a part of." I'm not fond of the idea of two groups of 8 as its too similar to the league. I like your idea of the Provincial Finalists playing a playoff against the lowest ranked sides; that would be a fairer system. drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 12/05/2023 11:49:46 2477821 Link
Replying To drumalee11: "I'm not fond of the idea of two groups of 8 as its too similar to the league. I like your idea of the Provincial Finalists playing a playoff against the lowest ranked sides; that would be a fairer system." It worked for hurling to make the championship like the league. It's a wider field than the league. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 12:44:55 2477848 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It worked for hurling to make the championship like the league. It's a wider field than the league." Yeah but the league in hurling is a waste of time with the top tier effectively a closed shop. The league in football is a brilliant competition with drama every week drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 12/05/2023 14:03:43 2477872 Link
Replying To drumalee11: "Yeah but the league in hurling is a waste of time with the top tier effectively a closed shop. The league in football is a brilliant competition with drama every week" I know but it's more important to get the championship right. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 14:20:21 2477879 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "I know but it's more important to get the championship right." Yes but not to the detriment of the league at present. Lets give this current format a year or two before writing it off. I think its a decent format which may have some teething problems that can be ironed out in time. drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 12/05/2023 14:48:51 2477892 Link
Replying To drumalee11: "Yes but not to the detriment of the league at present. Lets give this current format a year or two before writing it off. I think its a decent format which may have some teething problems that can be ironed out in time." Yeah we'll see but we already know that groups of 4 don't work that and that splitting the field into 4 doesn't work well. In hurling they'd a great league in 2015, not a great championship. Now they've a rubbish league and a great championship, pretty sure they are overall very happy with the direction they've gone. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 15:20:15 2477900 Link
Replying To drumalee11: "Yes but not to the detriment of the league at present. Lets give this current format a year or two before writing it off. I think its a decent format which may have some teething problems that can be ironed out in time." I think you do just get rid of the current league even though it's a good competition. Go with the provincials as a potential qualifier for the All Ireland in March and April. Have a great championship with the best competition played at the height of the season. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 15:24:52 2477903 Link
Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ? Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 12/05/2023 15:37:42 2477908 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ?" Yeah, which is something I dislike. You could get to the final and not qualify for next year's competition. It won't happen but it'd be possible for Clare to get to the All Ireland final, lose to Kerry, win division 3 unbeaten and lose to Kerry again in an Munster semifinal and not qualify. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 12/05/2023 15:56:44 2477917 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ?" Yes unless they win division 3 which could give them a slight chance of being the 15th or 16th ranked team. But that will all depend on this years Tailteann Cup Winners and the 8 Provincial Finalists next year. drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 12/05/2023 16:04:55 2477921 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ?" Previous year's Tailteann winners 8 Provincial Finalists 7 highest League finishers. Rest Tailteann Cup. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1440 - 12/05/2023 16:05:00 2477922 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ?" Yeah, Westmeath needed promotion to Division 2 for next year to be in the hunt for qualifier places through the league. Division 3 teams need a bit of luck that a final or winning Division 3 might offer a qualifier spot. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 12/05/2023 16:23:30 2477928 Link
Could Carlow Wicklow have been played tonight and shown on RTE? There's not much other sport on so would have been a good chance to kick start the TC 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 12/05/2023 17:35:41 2477942 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "Say for example Westmeath who won Last years Tailteann Cup get to an all Ireland quarter final this year. Are they back in the Tailteann cup next year if they don't reach next years Leinster final? Because they are a Div 3 side. ?" Even if they get to an All Ireland Final and win it ( not a hope ) they will be in the Taltainn Cup next year unless they get to the Leinster Final… Promotion as we see this year might not be enough ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1950 - 12/05/2023 17:59:54 2477946 Link
Replying To 11jm11: "Could Carlow Wicklow have been played tonight and shown on RTE? There's not much other sport on so would have been a good chance to kick start the TC" Why should Wicklow be shown on free TV ? We are a premium product. Whoever beats Wicklow will win the TC, otherwise their cup will mean nothing. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 13/05/2023 07:48:48 2477989 Link
Saturday 13 May Tailteann Cup round 1 Cavan v Laois, Kingspan Breffni, 4pm - GAAGO Limerick v Longford, TUS Gaelic Grounds, 6pm Down v Waterford, Pairc Esler, 6pm Meath v Tipperary, Pairc Tailteann, 6.30pm It'll be important to win the home games. All 4 home teams will be favourites today. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 13/05/2023 08:08:15 2477990 Link
My opinion is the Tailteann should be a straight knockout with an incentive of a place maybe in the present year of the All Ireland quarter finals as the prize. Take Westmeath for example . They were a better team last year than they are this year. The had momentum after winning the Tailteann cup. Why not continue that with a quarter final spot same year. ? This years system is a joke in my opinion. Teams playing teams over minimum of 3 games around their own level . It just an extension of Div 3/4 league really. If for example London lose their Away match to Offaly then lose at home to Cavan , their 3rd game is completely meaningless at a neutral venue. , which will probably be in Ireland somewhere. Who foots that unnecessary travel bill? Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 13/05/2023 09:41:32 2477999 Link