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Replying To CARPS: " Replying To Royal.Legend: "[quote=CARPS: "[quote=Onion Breath: ""Excellent competition for the likes of Antrim" and then you say you're not being condescending!!! Meath were one kick of the ball away from losing yesterday and from the previous week in Belfast I know Antrim are far from a top side so Meath are where they deserve to be. So you should be seeing this as an excellent competition for the likes of Meath because it's probably the only one ye're capable of winning so embrace it rather than looking down on it as if he belong somewhere else. In my opinion Meath are now closer to teams at the bottom of division 4 than to the teams who'll be in contention to win Sam. That may well change in the coming years but that's where Meath are now." Carlow finished in the bottom half of Division Four. Antrim beat us by four points (in Belfast!). And went on to lose by two to Meath. Obviously, this isn't scientific, but that's a six point spread. What would Kerry or Dublin beat Meath by? In a championship knockout game, with the gloves off?" Well going by your logic Meath beat Cork by 4 points down in Cork , kerry beat Cork by 2 points down in Cork, so that's a 2 point win for Meath over Kerry."]I said it wasn't scientific. Fwiw, I think Meath would currently beat Carlow by 3-8 points, in a championship game. Dublin, however, would probably beat you by 20, or more. That said, we have only 60,000 people, and are senior in hurling, intermediate in football. Meath has over THREE TIMES that population, but is intermediate in both codes."]If you go by population London or New York should win the All Ireland every year. kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 27/06/2023 13:50:19 2490062 Link
I don't actually find it patronising when a Meath person says the Tailteann is more valuable to the likes of Antrim. For the strongest teams in the competition it is a means to an end. Meath aren't really going to improve much by playing teams below them and outside Down and Cavan I think Meath are a good bit better than the other teams in the competition. We gave a good account of ourselves on the day. We have simple things to improve upon but are still way behind Meath overall. Meath if they win Tailteann and get to the Sam Maguire group stages would probably do well to get out of the groups but that's probably how they are more likely to improve. I don't think any of that is disrespectful or patronising. It's just my interpretation of the truth and I find it more patronising when people are disingenuous or falsely modest about these things. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/06/2023 14:52:58 2490095 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "I don't actually find it patronising when a Meath person says the Tailteann is more valuable to the likes of Antrim. For the strongest teams in the competition it is a means to an end. Meath aren't really going to improve much by playing teams below them and outside Down and Cavan I think Meath are a good bit better than the other teams in the competition. We gave a good account of ourselves on the day. We have simple things to improve upon but are still way behind Meath overall. Meath if they win Tailteann and get to the Sam Maguire group stages would probably do well to get out of the groups but that's probably how they are more likely to improve. I don't think any of that is disrespectful or patronising. It's just my interpretation of the truth and I find it more patronising when people are disingenuous or falsely modest about these things." Don't listen to that rubbish over who it's more valuable to, it's the same for all counties involved.It's been excellent for our young players coming through. They are winning games which can only be a good thing with the confidence that it generates. Unfortunately we have people in our county who don't believe in the competition and what it's purpose is. This is our level whether we like it or not. Obviously I hope we go on to win it but I think we may struggle to hold that Down forward line but hope I'm wrong. Our own forward play was very good at times last Sunday so we do have a decent chance. The Tailteann cup has actually changed our season in a positive way and anyone who thinks that's not valuable to the Meath senior team are deluded. runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 27/06/2023 21:24:31 2490252 Link
Replying To Onion Breath: "Leix have never won anything without a string of Carlowmen on board (fact) so expecting to win with just two Carlowmen today left them with way too much to do." Kilkenny man here. Presume you're talking about Graiguecullen. It's in Laois. Very disrespectful posting by yourself and your county man, CRAPS, towards Laois. They have 6 Leinster football titles and 3 Leinster hurling titles, 9 in total. Carlow have 1 football in 1944. I find Carlow think they have a great rivalry with Laois, but it doesn't stack up. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 28/06/2023 18:29:14 2490499 Link
Replying To runnerin: "Don't listen to that rubbish over who it's more valuable to, it's the same for all counties involved.It's been excellent for our young players coming through. They are winning games which can only be a good thing with the confidence that it generates. Unfortunately we have people in our county who don't believe in the competition and what it's purpose is. This is our level whether we like it or not. Obviously I hope we go on to win it but I think we may struggle to hold that Down forward line but hope I'm wrong. Our own forward play was very good at times last Sunday so we do have a decent chance. The Tailteann cup has actually changed our season in a positive way and anyone who thinks that's not valuable to the Meath senior team are deluded." Fair play. Good post Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 28/06/2023 19:29:14 2490509 Link
Kinda getting worried about getting tickets for the final because of the All Ireland semi final being lumped in with it. What was it like last year trying to get them? Mourneman23 (Down) - Posts: 1 - 29/06/2023 14:34:43 2490645 Link
Replying To Mourneman23: "Kinda getting worried about getting tickets for the final because of the All Ireland semi final being lumped in with it. What was it like last year trying to get them?" I was at the Derry vs Galway game last year and the TC final was included in the ticket. I had no issue getting tickets at all. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 159 - 29/06/2023 17:00:56 2490713 Link
Replying To CC2020: "Kilkenny man here. Presume you're talking about Graiguecullen. It's in Laois. Very disrespectful posting by yourself and your county man, CRAPS, towards Laois. They have 6 Leinster football titles and 3 Leinster hurling titles, 9 in total. Carlow have 1 football in 1944. I find Carlow think they have a great rivalry with Laois, but it doesn't stack up." Carlow have a great rivalry with Wickla. Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 786 - 29/06/2023 17:25:04 2490715 Link
Replying To Mourneman23: "Kinda getting worried about getting tickets for the final because of the All Ireland semi final being lumped in with it. What was it like last year trying to get them?" Dont worry , outside of Dublin , the most other teams will bring will be 25 maybe 30 thou , that should leave roughly 20 to 25 thou split between Down and Meath, If your a member of a club you should have no bother germac (Down) - Posts: 535 - 29/06/2023 19:37:04 2490733 Link
Replying To Mourneman23: "Kinda getting worried about getting tickets for the final because of the All Ireland semi final being lumped in with it. What was it like last year trying to get them?" It was alongside Galway v Derry semi final last year. Tickets were OK to get, didn't hear of anyone missing out and as far as I can remember it was a couple of thousand shy of a sellout. Would've been a different story had it been the same day as Dublin v Kerry. It's not confirmed which qtr final winners will play in the semi final the same day as the TC. I'd imagine it won't be the winners of Dub v Mayo. But if Dub/Mayo were to meet, say, Derry. And Kerry were to meet Armagh. You could definitely be looking at a scramble for tickets! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 29/06/2023 20:12:19 2490738 Link
Replying To CC2020: "Kilkenny man here. Presume you're talking about Graiguecullen. It's in Laois. Very disrespectful posting by yourself and your county man, CRAPS, towards Laois. They have 6 Leinster football titles and 3 Leinster hurling titles, 9 in total. Carlow have 1 football in 1944. I find Carlow think they have a great rivalry with Laois, but it doesn't stack up." Hello, Kilkenny man. If you think Graiguecullen is in Leix, you probably need to look at a map. It's in Carlow. Always has been. Two of the starting players last weekend, against Down, are from County Carlow. Graigue won 13 Carlow championships, but they were suspended - due to a violent incident - and Leix (opportunistically, because Graigue were so good, at the time), swooped in and took advantage. Since then, Leix has leeched off Carlow. There was a chance to resolve the situation in the 1990s (because Leix legend Leo Turley transferred to Carlow's Eire Og and Graigue's objection was thrown out) but Carlow had a very meek County Board at the time who accepted a dumb "triangle" arrangement. That was a very bad mistake. Leix has six Leinsters, yes. But they have almost double the population of Carlow. Plus, they add to it by claiming part of Carlow town. Everyone of those six was won with Carlow men on board. In reality, the real losers here are Graiguecullen, The club would have been better off staying in Carlow. Countless players have transferred way from it - or never joined up in the first place - because they don't want to play in Leix. Anyway, CC2020, Carlow next year will play senior hurling and intermediate football; Leix will play intermediate in both. And Kilkenny will play junior football and senior hurling. That speaks volumes. Given the population numbers involved. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 603 - 30/06/2023 02:38:46 2490759 Link
Replying To kingofclubs: " Replying To CARPS: "[quote=Royal.Legend: "[quote=CARPS: "[quote=Onion Breath: ""Excellent competition for the likes of Antrim" and then you say you're not being condescending!!! Meath were one kick of the ball away from losing yesterday and from the previous week in Belfast I know Antrim are far from a top side so Meath are where they deserve to be. So you should be seeing this as an excellent competition for the likes of Meath because it's probably the only one ye're capable of winning so embrace it rather than looking down on it as if he belong somewhere else. In my opinion Meath are now closer to teams at the bottom of division 4 than to the teams who'll be in contention to win Sam. That may well change in the coming years but that's where Meath are now." Carlow finished in the bottom half of Division Four. Antrim beat us by four points (in Belfast!). And went on to lose by two to Meath. Obviously, this isn't scientific, but that's a six point spread. What would Kerry or Dublin beat Meath by? In a championship knockout game, with the gloves off?" Well going by your logic Meath beat Cork by 4 points down in Cork , kerry beat Cork by 2 points down in Cork, so that's a 2 point win for Meath over Kerry."]I said it wasn't scientific. Fwiw, I think Meath would currently beat Carlow by 3-8 points, in a championship game. Dublin, however, would probably beat you by 20, or more. That said, we have only 60,000 people, and are senior in hurling, intermediate in football. Meath has over THREE TIMES that population, but is intermediate in both codes."]If you go by population London or New York should win the All Ireland every year."]No, if you go by population, Dublin should win the All-Ireland every year. Which they often do. AFAIK, only one county with a population of fewer than 100,000 has won the All Ireland SFC in the last 50 years.... Offaly. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 603 - 30/06/2023 02:44:28 2490760 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Hello, Kilkenny man. If you think Graiguecullen is in Leix, you probably need to look at a map. It's in Carlow. Always has been. Two of the starting players last weekend, against Down, are from County Carlow. Graigue won 13 Carlow championships, but they were suspended - due to a violent incident - and Leix (opportunistically, because Graigue were so good, at the time), swooped in and took advantage. Since then, Leix has leeched off Carlow. There was a chance to resolve the situation in the 1990s (because Leix legend Leo Turley transferred to Carlow's Eire Og and Graigue's objection was thrown out) but Carlow had a very meek County Board at the time who accepted a dumb "triangle" arrangement. That was a very bad mistake. Leix has six Leinsters, yes. But they have almost double the population of Carlow. Plus, they add to it by claiming part of Carlow town. Everyone of those six was won with Carlow men on board. In reality, the real losers here are Graiguecullen, The club would have been better off staying in Carlow. Countless players have transferred way from it - or never joined up in the first place - because they don't want to play in Leix. Anyway, CC2020, Carlow next year will play senior hurling and intermediate football; Leix will play intermediate in both. And Kilkenny will play junior football and senior hurling. That speaks volumes. Given the population numbers involved." Two bald men fighting over a comb... Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 79 - 30/06/2023 10:03:19 2490782 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "It was alongside Galway v Derry semi final last year. Tickets were OK to get, didn't hear of anyone missing out and as far as I can remember it was a couple of thousand shy of a sellout. Would've been a different story had it been the same day as Dublin v Kerry. It's not confirmed which qtr final winners will play in the semi final the same day as the TC. I'd imagine it won't be the winners of Dub v Mayo. But if Dub/Mayo were to meet, say, Derry. And Kerry were to meet Armagh. You could definitely be looking at a scramble for tickets!" The TC final is fixed for a Saturday like last year, and the curtain raiser to an All Ireland semi - you would safely assume whoever Dublin play would be on a Sunday as that'll be a sell out anyway. Depends on the semis, it's likely to be Derry v Kerry so it could a bit of a scramble. hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 208 - 30/06/2023 10:07:49 2490785 Link
Replying To CC2020: "Kilkenny man here. Presume you're talking about Graiguecullen. It's in Laois. Very disrespectful posting by yourself and your county man, CRAPS, towards Laois. They have 6 Leinster football titles and 3 Leinster hurling titles, 9 in total. Carlow have 1 football in 1944. I find Carlow think they have a great rivalry with Laois, but it doesn't stack up." It's in Leix - fact. Have a look at a map sometime. Anyway it's about more than Graigue Leix teams in recent years have featured players from as far into Carlow as Bagenalstown, Grange, Tinryland and Tullow - not to mention the poaching of players from all over Carlow town. Financial inducements including the building of houses for families of players has been used a means to encourage players to move to the dark side. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 30/06/2023 13:07:13 2490838 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Hello, Kilkenny man. If you think Graiguecullen is in Leix, you probably need to look at a map. It's in Carlow. Always has been. Two of the starting players last weekend, against Down, are from County Carlow. Graigue won 13 Carlow championships, but they were suspended - due to a violent incident - and Leix (opportunistically, because Graigue were so good, at the time), swooped in and took advantage. Since then, Leix has leeched off Carlow. There was a chance to resolve the situation in the 1990s (because Leix legend Leo Turley transferred to Carlow's Eire Og and Graigue's objection was thrown out) but Carlow had a very meek County Board at the time who accepted a dumb "triangle" arrangement. That was a very bad mistake. Leix has six Leinsters, yes. But they have almost double the population of Carlow. Plus, they add to it by claiming part of Carlow town. Everyone of those six was won with Carlow men on board. In reality, the real losers here are Graiguecullen, The club would have been better off staying in Carlow. Countless players have transferred way from it - or never joined up in the first place - because they don't want to play in Leix. Anyway, CC2020, Carlow next year will play senior hurling and intermediate football; Leix will play intermediate in both. And Kilkenny will play junior football and senior hurling. That speaks volumes. Given the population numbers involved." The carry on of the Leix county board was nothing short of disgusting and disgraceful when they enticed the suspended Graiguecullen club over the border. They were condemned at the time from the pulpit - the curse meaning they've won nothing since 1969 - and the stink has never left them. The Carlow county board backed down in 1998 but should have pushed and forced a decision at central council level. It would have went Carlow's way and if as claimed that would have lead to the demise of the club well then maybe that would be no bad thing. Some things are more important than football. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 30/06/2023 13:14:49 2490840 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "Two bald men fighting over a comb..." A convenient view Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 30/06/2023 13:16:47 2490842 Link
Replying To Ollie2: "Carlow have a great rivalry with Wickla." No we don't. Given their population they might look enviously at our relative strength but they tend to be just noisy neighbours. Occasionally plucky minnows is now I'd see them. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 30/06/2023 13:20:58 2490843 Link
Replying To Onion Breath: "The carry on of the Leix county board was nothing short of disgusting and disgraceful when they enticed the suspended Graiguecullen club over the border. They were condemned at the time from the pulpit - the curse meaning they've won nothing since 1969 - and the stink has never left them. The Carlow county board backed down in 1998 but should have pushed and forced a decision at central council level. It would have went Carlow's way and if as claimed that would have lead to the demise of the club well then maybe that would be no bad thing. Some things are more important than football." I think yourself and CRAPS need to move into the 21st century. It was great seeing ye win the Joe McDonagh, would I be right in saying your last major title would have been the 1994 All Ireland B title under LEIX man Bobby Miller? You see this oul cross border thing work both ways. A Kilkenny man managed you to the Joe Mc. You also poached LEIX' best radio commentator, Brendan Hennessy. Players play with their county end of. The only thing LEIX poach is their eggs. And LEIX doesn't have a substantially larger population than Carla. They usually win 9/10 games against ye. You have to go back to 1988 and Joe Hayden's goal for a championship win. LEIX have always been good to Carla, gave ye a replay in 1995, Meath wouldn't give it to ye. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 30/06/2023 20:17:02 2490900 Link
Replying To CC2020: "I think yourself and CRAPS need to move into the 21st century. It was great seeing ye win the Joe McDonagh, would I be right in saying your last major title would have been the 1994 All Ireland B title under LEIX man Bobby Miller? You see this oul cross border thing work both ways. A Kilkenny man managed you to the Joe Mc. You also poached LEIX' best radio commentator, Brendan Hennessy. Players play with their county end of. The only thing LEIX poach is their eggs. And LEIX doesn't have a substantially larger population than Carla. They usually win 9/10 games against ye. You have to go back to 1988 and Joe Hayden's goal for a championship win. LEIX have always been good to Carla, gave ye a replay in 1995, Meath wouldn't give it to ye." Brendan Hennessy has lived in county Carlow all his life. He's never lived in Leix. What are you talking about? And our last major title, before this year, was the 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup. Under Colm Bonnar. From Tipperary. Leix has a population of 91,000. Carlow has 61,000. That's a substantial difference. However, for GAA purposes, the gap is even larger. Because that CSO figure for Carlow, includes Graiguecullen. Which is in Carlow, and has 5,000 people. So in GAA terms, Leix is pulling from 96,000 people and Carlow only 56,000. Hence my claim that Leix has almost twice the pick. Please get your facts right, before commenting. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 603 - 01/07/2023 07:13:15 2490926 Link