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Tailteann Cup 2023

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "So much for the aspiration to give the TC a chance to build a profile by prioritising the semis as promised. I understand the fixtures next weekend are congested but if they had the hurling on Sunday instead of Galway Mayo it might have been better as a fair chunk of GAA people in the country will have little interest in the hurling so would watch the football. Now Galway Mayo will dominate interest on Sunday. How many neutrals will travel to Croker now??"
Very true, if it was a wet Sunday I'd have sat in and watched the Tailteann semi finals live, now I'll be watching Galway v Mayo instead and flicking channels occasionally to see how the TC semi finals are going, and I'm sure many neutrals will be doing the same.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2757 - 19/06/2023 18:43:11    2487575

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Could be a Down - Antrim final yet, then youd have reason to be dissapointed!"
Could very well be.but I can't see it myself, Andy adds an extra excitement to it. But vast majority of players know exactly how he sets up a team so I think we can counteract it. But would I be surprised? Yes I would be

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 18:43:26    2487576

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Yeah, that's a bit of a joke. I'll be at the Antrim game but there's no point in talking about promoting second tiers and then putting the games in competition with the biggest game of the weekend."
Not been disrespectful here. But would I be right in thinking Antrim are in bonus territory here? I mean from what I have heard the turnaround after the Westmeath game has been fantastic. Andy seems to be loved by the players (I read one player who said they loved him ) lol. What's the winning run now ? 6/7 games ?? Seemingly antrims best run in over half a century. We all know Andy passion for the game and I'm sure that the players will die on their feet to try to put the social media (including HS so called Meath supporters) in their box for their new boss. But I just don't think Antrim have the level of intensity that Meath have. For that reason I can see a comfortable Meath win after an initial scare. Meath HAVE to WIN this competition. Antrim for me have already exceeded their hopes for this year

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 19:10:44    2487585

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Lads I've no problem with people having the choice.I'll actually watch the tc cos I'll see Galway or Mayo after next weekend..my problem is why people haven't been given this option during rest of c/ship,I've mentioned before that the RTÉ news channel could be used in the same way..I was led to believe the 4 all Ireland qualifiers were to be shown on Gaa go so what has changed??

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2226 - 19/06/2023 19:18:55    2487588

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "So much for the aspiration to give the TC a chance to build a profile by prioritising the semis as promised. I understand the fixtures next weekend are congested but if they had the hurling on Sunday instead of Galway Mayo it might have been better as a fair chunk of GAA people in the country will have little interest in the hurling so would watch the football. Now Galway Mayo will dominate interest on Sunday. How many neutrals will travel to Croker now??"
Realistically, how many neutrals would travel to Croke Park even if they were the only matches on that day? Surely a big day out for the four competing counties is the main thing?

They're being staged in Croke Park, with live TV coverage of both. That seems fairly high-profile to me.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 19/06/2023 20:42:56    2487604

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Could be a Down - Antrim final yet, then youd have reason to be dissapointed!"
Could be an Antrim Down final.
What I meant was that there would be a little bit of needle for some at the game if it was Meath Cavan which would have made the final a bit better (also we often play most of our neighbouring counties in the Leinster championship where as with Cavan being in Ulster we rarely play them in the Summer).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 19/06/2023 22:12:41    2487642

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Cavan 4th are out Laois 6th are still in . Limerick 5th beaten by Laois 6th. Power Rankings?? You having a laugh??"
Just because Laois are still in the competition doesn't mean they are a better team than Cavan. It doesn't work like that.

Laois didnt win any of their group games but credit to them they've won their two knockout games.

Now if they beat Down next weekend they'll have a proper case for being in the top 3 or 4.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 20/06/2023 09:12:07    2487663

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "So much for the aspiration to give the TC a chance to build a profile by prioritising the semis as promised. I understand the fixtures next weekend are congested but if they had the hurling on Sunday instead of Galway Mayo it might have been better as a fair chunk of GAA people in the country will have little interest in the hurling so would watch the football. Now Galway Mayo will dominate interest on Sunday. How many neutrals will travel to Croker now??"
With the crazy crammed season we have , there seems no option but have about ten matchs every weekend .
Its hard every weekend to keep track of whats going on.

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 20/06/2023 10:10:41    2487682

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Replying To drumalee11:  "Just because Laois are still in the competition doesn't mean they are a better team than Cavan. It doesn't work like that.

Laois didnt win any of their group games but credit to them they've won their two knockout games.

Now if they beat Down next weekend they'll have a proper case for being in the top 3 or 4."
Oh I see! Laois still not better than Limerick on present form even though they beat them last weekend because they didn't win any of their group games ..
And as you say if Laois beat Down they be in the top 3 or 4 even though they in the final.
What software are you using to work all this out ?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 20/06/2023 10:17:58    2487690

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Not been disrespectful here. But would I be right in thinking Antrim are in bonus territory here? I mean from what I have heard the turnaround after the Westmeath game has been fantastic. Andy seems to be loved by the players (I read one player who said they loved him ) lol. What's the winning run now ? 6/7 games ?? Seemingly antrims best run in over half a century. We all know Andy passion for the game and I'm sure that the players will die on their feet to try to put the social media (including HS so called Meath supporters) in their box for their new boss. But I just don't think Antrim have the level of intensity that Meath have. For that reason I can see a comfortable Meath win after an initial scare. Meath HAVE to WIN this competition. Antrim for me have already exceeded their hopes for this year"
We're 4 on the bounce. Won in round 6 of the league, lost round 7 when we were safe and lost in Ulster.

I think we are in bonus territory. To get to a semifinal a 2nd seed needs to beat 1 team rated above our level, we did that versus Fermanagh. We've won then games against the teams that are close to us like Wexford (great to get an away win) and Carlow.

That's progress to be honest. We don't have a lot of away championship wins under our belt throughout the qualifiers era and most of the qualifiers games we've lost have been to teams that would be in a 2nd tier competition. We don't have a good record of winning around our level.

Meath are likely a step up. In the league we were close v Down and beat Cavan. We hopefully have it in us to turn you over but you are rightly favoured.

Big pitch on Croke Park should favour the better team usually but we are a young and athletic team and good in midfield, so it could be less of a factor.

Athleticism is a big part of our game this year. You can't win with it alone but it can help plug some gaps.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/06/2023 10:40:49    2487709

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Oh I see! Laois still not better than Limerick on present form even though they beat them last weekend because they didn't win any of their group games ..
And as you say if Laois beat Down they be in the top 3 or 4 even though they in the final.
What software are you using to work all this out ?"
You're 100% correct fair play.

drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 291 - 20/06/2023 11:12:38    2487729

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Realistically, how many neutrals would travel to Croke Park even if they were the only matches on that day? Surely a big day out for the four competing counties is the main thing?

They're being staged in Croke Park, with live TV coverage of both. That seems fairly high-profile to me."
High profile but now potentially upstaged by Galway v Mayo. There might be an argument to have Tailteann semi-finals as curtains raisers to the All-Ireland football semi-finals. The Tailteann final then could be on the day before the All-Ireland final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 20/06/2023 16:52:30    2487895

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Replying To legendzxix:  "High profile but now potentially upstaged by Galway v Mayo. There might be an argument to have Tailteann semi-finals as curtains raisers to the All-Ireland football semi-finals. The Tailteann final then could be on the day before the All-Ireland final."
I think if Provincial finalists didn't qualify for the Sam Maguire then they'd have to do it this way.

They'd definitely have to play league and provincials in parallel to not have that gap for teams waiting around.

The big issue is that the season probably is too condensed though too.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/06/2023 17:22:50    2487906

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think if Provincial finalists didn't qualify for the Sam Maguire then they'd have to do it this way.

They'd definitely have to play league and provincials in parallel to not have that gap for teams waiting around.

The big issue is that the season probably is too condensed though too."
NFL Round 1
NFL Round 2
Provincial Preliminary Round
Weekend off
NFL Round 3
NFL Round 4
Provincial Quarter-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 5
NFL Round 6
Provincial Semi-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 7
NFL Finals
Provincial Finals

The above would run from January 28/29 to May 06/07. The Leinster and Ulster finals this year were on May 14th. Two rounds of league followed by one round of provincial championship and then a weekend off. I'm not saying I agree.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 21/06/2023 12:56:02    2488123

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Replying To legendzxix:  "NFL Round 1
NFL Round 2
Provincial Preliminary Round
Weekend off
NFL Round 3
NFL Round 4
Provincial Quarter-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 5
NFL Round 6
Provincial Semi-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 7
NFL Finals
Provincial Finals

The above would run from January 28/29 to May 06/07. The Leinster and Ulster finals this year were on May 14th. Two rounds of league followed by one round of provincial championship and then a weekend off. I'm not saying I agree."
It's something along those lines I'd have in mind.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 21/06/2023 13:05:52    2488128

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Replying To legendzxix:  "NFL Round 1
NFL Round 2
Provincial Preliminary Round
Weekend off
NFL Round 3
NFL Round 4
Provincial Quarter-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 5
NFL Round 6
Provincial Semi-finals
Weekend off
NFL Round 7
NFL Finals
Provincial Finals

The above would run from January 28/29 to May 06/07. The Leinster and Ulster finals this year were on May 14th. Two rounds of league followed by one round of provincial championship and then a weekend off. I'm not saying I agree."
Looks good to me but I'd swap the weekend off and the provincial games. So weekend off before provincial.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 21/06/2023 14:24:41    2488159

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I think it has been an excellent introduction to the game. I saw an interview with an Antrim player who stated that he dreamed of playing in Croke Park but that Antrim would rarely if ever have such an opportunity. Laois had a poor league campaign but you saw with their celebrations last week that this competition meant a lot to them. Down and Meath have used it to build confidence and can guarantee themselves a Sam Maguire place for next year which is their main aim. End of June and Antrim and Laois are still playing Championship football. Its great to see.

Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 159 - 21/06/2023 19:20:41    2488253

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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "I think it has been an excellent introduction to the game. I saw an interview with an Antrim player who stated that he dreamed of playing in Croke Park but that Antrim would rarely if ever have such an opportunity. Laois had a poor league campaign but you saw with their celebrations last week that this competition meant a lot to them. Down and Meath have used it to build confidence and can guarantee themselves a Sam Maguire place for next year which is their main aim. End of June and Antrim and Laois are still playing Championship football. Its great to see."
Agreed with it all.

The big concern was always about buy in from players and would teams take it seriously.

I think they do and this is the way forward. It's a proof of concept and I think in time hopefully it gets tweaked to be even better and more prominent.

I still think 2 groups of 8 in each tier makes the most sense and that promotion/relegation is determined solely through the All Ireland competition.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 22/06/2023 09:48:52    2488328

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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "I think it has been an excellent introduction to the game. I saw an interview with an Antrim player who stated that he dreamed of playing in Croke Park but that Antrim would rarely if ever have such an opportunity. Laois had a poor league campaign but you saw with their celebrations last week that this competition meant a lot to them. Down and Meath have used it to build confidence and can guarantee themselves a Sam Maguire place for next year which is their main aim. End of June and Antrim and Laois are still playing Championship football. Its great to see."
The Tailteann Cup is an exciting addition for counties like Antrim, and an opportunity to play in Croke Park for the first time for many of their players. For the likes of Down and Meath, it has served a purpose to build confidence after a poor run in the league and provincial championship. If Down or Meath win it out, I doubt there will be massive celebrations in Newry or Navan like we saw in Mullingar last year.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 22/06/2023 14:44:03    2488446

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "The Tailteann Cup is an exciting addition for counties like Antrim, and an opportunity to play in Croke Park for the first time for many of their players. For the likes of Down and Meath, it has served a purpose to build confidence after a poor run in the league and provincial championship. If Down or Meath win it out, I doubt there will be massive celebrations in Newry or Navan like we saw in Mullingar last year."
Meath haven't won a Leinster title since 2010. Down haven't won an Ulster since 1994. Why would you have a massive celebration? It's an achievement to be the best at your level. As Kerry and Westmeath proved last year

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 22/06/2023 15:01:17    2488452

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