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Hoping for a Cavan Meath final hope Down are not playing the manure they played in the league in this competition if they actually went out and tried to play football they could easily beat any team left in the competition. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 456 - 12/06/2023 09:47:18 2485707 Link
Replying To hyperache: " Replying To legendzxix: "[quote=supersub15: "It's my belief that you scanned my post and then dismissed it rather than read it, however that's ok by me, also I'm not here posting to throw negatives at the TC, it is simply not possible that the TC competition is inch perfect so in good faith I am simply just making comment on areas that could / should be improved on. You say, "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. I never suggested it was, what I am saying is the the TC cup and the All Ireland Senior football championship, is not championship football by a country mile. "The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." - - - So be it, I have no problem with that, I'm saying their system is user friendly, reflects at a glance what it's about and the hurling counties seem to be very happy with it, I also think the hurling structure currently in situ is very rewarding to all concerned. The TC competition was structured and put in place in good faith and I accept that but there is no harm in trying to improve on where it falls down." The current All-Ireland and Tailteann structure allows for more movement. I see that as a positive. Football promotes 2 between divisions. Hurling only promotes 1 team between divisions. I'm not hugely in favour of provincial runners-up qualifying. If this year only allowed provincial winners to qualify, Meath and Cavan would have been in the All-Ireland groups, a reward for Cavan for winning Division 3. Sligo and Clare would have been in the Tailteann instead, unless they had won their provincial championship." I agree the provincials should have little bearing on the seeding, because of how skewed some or the provincial championships are. For example, it would be very very difficult for Antrim or Fermanagh to reach a provincial final, because of how deep is, where as Leitrim or Sligo have a shout every year based on which side or the draw they're on. But the GAA are so obsessed with retaining the provincials, they're trying to make them relevant. The All Ireland should be Div 1 and 2 with the Tailteann Cup Previous winners if they're not in either division and the Tailteann Cup should be div 3 and 4. You want to make the TC as competitive as possible and to be fair some of the games this year have been excellent, some big shocks yesterday too. So it's almost there."]I think you could have an interesting competition at the start of the year where it's a bit of an old school All Ireland. Provincial champions move forward to New Ireland cup semifinals. At the same time run a competition similar to how the qualifiers looked but instead of round 4 winners joining the All Ireland they go into the semi final of their own competition. Championship comes after. Is separate. Is 2 tiers of 2 groups of 8. I'm not sure exactly how promotion and relegation works. 1 up 1 down is too few, but you also don't want the tier 2 final to be irrelevant in terms of the promotion decision. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 12/06/2023 09:49:26 2485711 Link
Tailteann Cup quarter-final draw Antrim v Carlow Meath v Wexford Limerick v Laois Cavan v Down 2 home teams fell at the preliminary round. Cavan v Down is the standout game. Down are more in need of Tailteann success. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 12/06/2023 16:18:36 2485942 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Tailteann Cup quarter-final draw Antrim v Carlow Meath v Wexford Limerick v Laois Cavan v Down 2 home teams fell at the preliminary round. Cavan v Down is the standout game. Down are more in need of Tailteann success." I'd say both Antrim and Carlow are happy to have drawn each other. Big opportunity for either county to get to a big game here. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 12/06/2023 16:35:11 2485952 Link
Replying To breffnibluewhite: "Hoping for a Cavan Meath final hope Down are not playing the manure they played in the league in this competition if they actually went out and tried to play football they could easily beat any team left in the competition." If they got all their best players playing for the county they wouldn't be in the TC in the first place. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 12/06/2023 16:41:22 2485960 Link
Limerick, Down and Antrim are more in need of Tailteann success for All-Ireland qualification next year. Cavan and Meath have Division 2 football as a plan B. Laois and Wexford won away at the weekend which shows surprise results will happen. Limerick, Meath and Antrim on form will be expected to get through. Cavan v Down should be interesting. Since Limerick beat Carlow, they have more or less had 4 weeks to prepare for the quarter-finals and potentially a semi-final the weekend after. The winners at the weekend have a tough run of week after the week football. The jeopardy of not winning their groups. Group winners should be that bit more fresher should they get through for the semi-finals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 12/06/2023 17:16:07 2485984 Link
Three matches will take place on Saturday. Limerick v Laois at 3pm live on GAAGO Meath v Wexford an hour later. Cavan v Down at 5.15pm, also on GAAGO. Antrim v Carlow takes place at 1pm on Sunday. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 12/06/2023 17:38:50 2485993 Link
Interesting to have 2 of the 3 favourites in Cavan and Down drawn together. Meath will be warm favourites to get passed Wexford. The other 4 teams will all fancy their chances of progressing to a semi final. Surely it's destiny for Meath and Andy McEntee's Antrim to meet! men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 1992 - 12/06/2023 21:55:56 2486064 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Three matches will take place on Saturday. Limerick v Laois at 3pm live on GAAGO Meath v Wexford an hour later. Cavan v Down at 5.15pm, also on GAAGO. Antrim v Carlow takes place at 1pm on Sunday." Which teams do you think need to win the Tailteann Cup the most? Would be a massive achievement if any of Limerick, Laois, Wexford, Antrim or Carlow could win the Tailteann as most are div 4 teams or bottom half div 3 teams. But I think all five of these teams would stuggle in an All Ireland Series. For Meath or Cavan to win would be great for them but they are both in Div 2 next year so if either can have a good league next year they won't be the Tailteann next summer. I believe Down need to win the most. They will play Div 3 next year so for them to get to the All Ireland Series will be hard unless they can win the Tailteann and get in that way. Down have been underperforming the last few years and will have their eyes on getting back to the top table. The Down/Cavan game such be a cracker!!!! Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 396 - 13/06/2023 11:01:05 2486118 Link
Replying To Temple56: "Which teams do you think need to win the Tailteann Cup the most? Would be a massive achievement if any of Limerick, Laois, Wexford, Antrim or Carlow could win the Tailteann as most are div 4 teams or bottom half div 3 teams. But I think all five of these teams would stuggle in an All Ireland Series. For Meath or Cavan to win would be great for them but they are both in Div 2 next year so if either can have a good league next year they won't be the Tailteann next summer. I believe Down need to win the most. They will play Div 3 next year so for them to get to the All Ireland Series will be hard unless they can win the Tailteann and get in that way. Down have been underperforming the last few years and will have their eyes on getting back to the top table. The Down/Cavan game such be a cracker!!!!" Limerick were in Division 2 this year, promoted fully on merit last year. If Limerick get past Laois, they'll be in a semi-final and people will still be writing them off. They are passing through under the radar so far despite winning their group after two games. They gave Clare a good game in the Munster semi-final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 13/06/2023 11:18:31 2486125 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Limerick were in Division 2 this year, promoted fully on merit last year. If Limerick get past Laois, they'll be in a semi-final and people will still be writing them off. They are passing through under the radar so far despite winning their group after two games. They gave Clare a good game in the Munster semi-final." Agree they have quietly gone about their business impressively. We matched them well in the league last year and had them beaten only for letting slip a lead late on, they kicked 2 points deep in injury time to win by a point. They went and got promoted and we fell into Div 4 on points difference, small margins! Hoping last weekend was a turning point for this Laois team as they finally saw out a lead. I hope that kindles a bit of confidence in them as they have taken knock after knock this year, it's a mostly young side and they can only grow in stature by grinding out a win on the road against a tough side. If Timmons misses out he is a huge blow, at 37 years of age he is still the heart of our team and an unbelievable servant to the county. Time for the likes of O'Carroll, Kingston and Collins to really step-up their performance to levels we all know they are capable of, and lead this team. Limerick are worthy favourites, but hoping there's a bit of momentum just starting to grow in us.... Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 78 - 14/06/2023 11:29:57 2486398 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "Agree they have quietly gone about their business impressively. We matched them well in the league last year and had them beaten only for letting slip a lead late on, they kicked 2 points deep in injury time to win by a point. They went and got promoted and we fell into Div 4 on points difference, small margins! Hoping last weekend was a turning point for this Laois team as they finally saw out a lead. I hope that kindles a bit of confidence in them as they have taken knock after knock this year, it's a mostly young side and they can only grow in stature by grinding out a win on the road against a tough side. If Timmons misses out he is a huge blow, at 37 years of age he is still the heart of our team and an unbelievable servant to the county. Time for the likes of O'Carroll, Kingston and Collins to really step-up their performance to levels we all know they are capable of, and lead this team. Limerick are worthy favourites, but hoping there's a bit of momentum just starting to grow in us...." I think it's anybodies game. You are right about laois, they needed a turning point in their season. Again like wexford laois have gotten a bounce out of the Tailteann cup. This game could go anyway. And dhat a lift for either laois or Limerick having a semi final to look forward to roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 14/06/2023 12:08:11 2486409 Link
I wonder will the pressure begin to tell on Cavan if they win it they will have to do it the hard way with Down this week and a decent team in semi and final. Bookies have them raging hot favourites some 6/4 others as short as even money. One team that will be delighted with how every one is writing them off is Meath. Although their record vs Cavan is atrocius, they havent beaten them in the championship since 1954 all ireland semi final and havent won in league for about 8 years against them, a bit of a crazy statistic is that Meath havent beaten Cavan in Breffni Park since something like 1964! Cant understand why, maybe its because Meath wouldnt be "up" for that fixture in the same way as Cavan would, might slightly explain why Cavan have a good record against them even though since 1960s meath would have 4 or 5 all irelands and good few provincal titles compared to cavans 3 provincial titles. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 14/06/2023 14:54:37 2486450 Link
Why didn't croke park fix Limerick/Laois as part of a double header with Mayo/cork??the Gaelic grounds won't have 15,000 for Mayo/cork and that's at an extreme.Limerick/Laois won't get more than 3,000..they are charging enough to go to tc..I've said before they don't care about supporters anymore..I believe our Gaa president wasn't happy at all Ireland hurling launch when asked a question about tv rights.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2226 - 14/06/2023 17:11:22 2486484 Link
Replying To Temple56: "Which teams do you think need to win the Tailteann Cup the most? Would be a massive achievement if any of Limerick, Laois, Wexford, Antrim or Carlow could win the Tailteann as most are div 4 teams or bottom half div 3 teams. But I think all five of these teams would stuggle in an All Ireland Series. For Meath or Cavan to win would be great for them but they are both in Div 2 next year so if either can have a good league next year they won't be the Tailteann next summer. I believe Down need to win the most. They will play Div 3 next year so for them to get to the All Ireland Series will be hard unless they can win the Tailteann and get in that way. Down have been underperforming the last few years and will have their eyes on getting back to the top table. The Down/Cavan game such be a cracker!!!!" have you watched Down recently regardless of the result against Cavan you would need to be payed 50 euros to watch them and add on an extra tenner if you stay till the end of the game 15 players parked inside their own 45 for 90 percent of the game and when they win possession try to hand pass the ball all the way to the back of the opponents net. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 456 - 14/06/2023 20:33:09 2486535 Link
Replying To dickie10: "I wonder will the pressure begin to tell on Cavan if they win it they will have to do it the hard way with Down this week and a decent team in semi and final. Bookies have them raging hot favourites some 6/4 others as short as even money. One team that will be delighted with how every one is writing them off is Meath. Although their record vs Cavan is atrocius, they havent beaten them in the championship since 1954 all ireland semi final and havent won in league for about 8 years against them, a bit of a crazy statistic is that Meath havent beaten Cavan in Breffni Park since something like 1964! Cant understand why, maybe its because Meath wouldnt be "up" for that fixture in the same way as Cavan would, might slightly explain why Cavan have a good record against them even though since 1960s meath would have 4 or 5 all irelands and good few provincal titles compared to cavans 3 provincial titles." What a load of irrelevant stats. What do they mean to a potential game between the two teams later on? offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 157 - 15/06/2023 08:35:02 2486563 Link
Replying To CTGAA10: "Why didn't croke park fix Limerick/Laois as part of a double header with Mayo/cork??the Gaelic grounds won't have 15,000 for Mayo/cork and that's at an extreme.Limerick/Laois won't get more than 3,000..they are charging enough to go to tc..I've said before they don't care about supporters anymore..I believe our Gaa president wasn't happy at all Ireland hurling launch when asked a question about tv rights.." Limerick v Laois tickets are €20. Mayo v Cork tickets are €25. It is up to Limerick people to support their own county after their fine progress to date. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 15/06/2023 10:18:35 2486587 Link
Replying To Temple56: "Which teams do you think need to win the Tailteann Cup the most? Would be a massive achievement if any of Limerick, Laois, Wexford, Antrim or Carlow could win the Tailteann as most are div 4 teams or bottom half div 3 teams. But I think all five of these teams would stuggle in an All Ireland Series. For Meath or Cavan to win would be great for them but they are both in Div 2 next year so if either can have a good league next year they won't be the Tailteann next summer. I believe Down need to win the most. They will play Div 3 next year so for them to get to the All Ireland Series will be hard unless they can win the Tailteann and get in that way. Down have been underperforming the last few years and will have their eyes on getting back to the top table. The Down/Cavan game such be a cracker!!!!" Sorry for the intrusion but in defence of those 5 counties including my own home county Carlow I think your point is not balanced, all counties left in the TC are going out to win, they have to be given the chance to progress and where better than the TC to start, the competition is not perfect but I'm sure adjustments will be made as needed along the way. With respect to Meath & Cavan neither are setting the football world on fire and may be struggling a bit themselves, Down are entitled to challenge and contest any competition that comes their way but no county has a God given right to win, I think it's all on the day let it be this year or next year. My preference would be to see Carlow win the TC. I think you would agree that the All Ireland series is a struggle for most counties. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 15/06/2023 11:54:06 2486624 Link
Meath . Cavan , Antrim & Limerick are the 4 favourites this weekend . If they were to progress Meath & Cavan can't meet so Meath v Cavan is a likely final pairing. OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 16/06/2023 12:53:18 2486849 Link
Replying To OpenStand: "Meath . Cavan , Antrim & Limerick are the 4 favourites this weekend . If they were to progress Meath & Cavan can't meet so Meath v Cavan is a likely final pairing." Not sure that applies to the SFs Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 16/06/2023 13:31:17 2486876 Link