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Replying To Breffni1969: "And they face Cavan now in the quarters." Draw nit made until next Monday morning Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 159 - 10/06/2023 20:57:07 2485364 Link
I'm not putting a spanner in the works or knocking the TC for the sake of but another look is needed at the whole thing, for a start it incorporates the All-Ireland senior football championship the National football league and a few other add On's but it is neither of these in fact it has a menu of terms and conditions nothing that resembles championship football, the intentions may be good but it's not going to stop the decline in standards in counties like Offaly, Meath, Laois, Kildare and a host of other counties neither is it going to strengthen the weakest of the weak counties. The introduction of a system like or based on that of our hurling counties was a much easier / effective way to go. It works well for the hurling counties from top to bottom with no known issues and everyone is happy. The other alternative is to select the top 16 counties allow them to contest the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship either on a home and away basis and / or an open draw. The remaining 16 ish counties would contest the TC on a similar basis, at the end of it all promotion / relegation would be based on 3 up and 3 down. It would reinstate the senior football championship for what it should be, not for what it is, ie in name only. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 10/06/2023 21:20:24 2485375 Link
Replying To supersub15: "I'm not putting a spanner in the works or knocking the TC for the sake of but another look is needed at the whole thing, for a start it incorporates the All-Ireland senior football championship the National football league and a few other add On's but it is neither of these in fact it has a menu of terms and conditions nothing that resembles championship football, the intentions may be good but it's not going to stop the decline in standards in counties like Offaly, Meath, Laois, Kildare and a host of other counties neither is it going to strengthen the weakest of the weak counties. The introduction of a system like or based on that of our hurling counties was a much easier / effective way to go. It works well for the hurling counties from top to bottom with no known issues and everyone is happy. The other alternative is to select the top 16 counties allow them to contest the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship either on a home and away basis and / or an open draw. The remaining 16 ish counties would contest the TC on a similar basis, at the end of it all promotion / relegation would be based on 3 up and 3 down. It would reinstate the senior football championship for what it should be, not for what it is, ie in name only." The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 10/06/2023 21:38:32 2485381 Link
Replying To Yellaman: "Draw nit made until next Monday morning" Could be Meath or Limerick either. Think I'd prefer Limerick but at this stage it will all be on the day. Bring it on!!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 10/06/2023 22:16:48 2485393 Link
Replying To Yellaman: "Draw nit made until next Monday morning" It's Cavan v Wexford just as I told you. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 10/06/2023 22:33:58 2485401 Link
A lot of people complaining about the TC even before it started and on about needing a third tier competition, on the basis of this year there is no evidence to suggest that a third tier is needed. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1964 - 11/06/2023 09:34:18 2485430 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." It's a tough one. It's not great either though that Fermanagh haven't performed well in this Championship but will be well better placed than a lot of teams to qualify for Sam next based on results in the secondary competition played in the worst conditions. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4520 - 11/06/2023 10:34:54 2485443 Link
Replying To zinny: "A lot of people complaining about the TC even before it started and on about needing a third tier competition, on the basis of this year there is no evidence to suggest that a third tier is needed." Yeah there are a couple of the weakest teams off the pace but these are teams that have struggled for 10+ years in division 4. How many tiers would we need to facilitate them being challenging. My hope is that the competition expands and becomes the only pathway to get into Sam. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4520 - 11/06/2023 10:37:22 2485444 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Yeah there are a couple of the weakest teams off the pace but these are teams that have struggled for 10+ years in division 4. How many tiers would we need to facilitate them being challenging. My hope is that the competition expands and becomes the only pathway to get into Sam." The majority of the Tailteann counties were very unlikely to win a provincial championship this year. Eamon Fitzmaurice has a good point about placing provincial championships before the league. If provincial championships and the Tailteann offered the winners qualification before the league, there would be a clearer picture of the 11 qualifying spots through the league and league placing can be used for seeding. Regards a third tier, a Carlow footballer early in the year was saying it is up to lower ranked league counties to raise their standard. Wexford and Carlow have both done great to make the quarter-finals. Waterford and Leitrim will be disappointed with their Tailteann campaigns but both were competitive against the third placed teams. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 11/06/2023 10:58:58 2485449 Link
Replying To zinny: "A lot of people complaining about the TC even before it started and on about needing a third tier competition, on the basis of this year there is no evidence to suggest that a third tier is needed." I don't think there's a huge gap between any of the teams in 3 and 4. Certainly not enough to warrant another tier. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 11/06/2023 11:09:31 2485455 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." It's my belief that you scanned my post and then dismissed it rather than read it, however that's ok by me, also I'm not here posting to throw negatives at the TC, it is simply not possible that the TC competition is inch perfect so in good faith I am simply just making comment on areas that could / should be improved on. You say, "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. I never suggested it was, what I am saying is the the TC cup and the All Ireland Senior football championship, is not championship football by a country mile. "The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." - - - So be it, I have no problem with that, I'm saying their system is user friendly, reflects at a glance what it's about and the hurling counties seem to be very happy with it, I also think the hurling structure currently in situ is very rewarding to all concerned. The TC competition was structured and put in place in good faith and I accept that but there is no harm in trying to improve on where it falls down. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 11/06/2023 11:38:37 2485462 Link
Replying To supersub15: "It's my belief that you scanned my post and then dismissed it rather than read it, however that's ok by me, also I'm not here posting to throw negatives at the TC, it is simply not possible that the TC competition is inch perfect so in good faith I am simply just making comment on areas that could / should be improved on. You say, "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. I never suggested it was, what I am saying is the the TC cup and the All Ireland Senior football championship, is not championship football by a country mile. "The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." - - - So be it, I have no problem with that, I'm saying their system is user friendly, reflects at a glance what it's about and the hurling counties seem to be very happy with it, I also think the hurling structure currently in situ is very rewarding to all concerned. The TC competition was structured and put in place in good faith and I accept that but there is no harm in trying to improve on where it falls down." The current All-Ireland and Tailteann structure allows for more movement. I see that as a positive. Football promotes 2 between divisions. Hurling only promotes 1 team between divisions. I'm not hugely in favour of provincial runners-up qualifying. If this year only allowed provincial winners to qualify, Meath and Cavan would have been in the All-Ireland groups, a reward for Cavan for winning Division 3. Sligo and Clare would have been in the Tailteann instead, unless they had won their provincial championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 11/06/2023 12:25:48 2485466 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I don't think there's a huge gap between any of the teams in 3 and 4. Certainly not enough to warrant another tier." So far the results from the TC would back up your opinion. I also think that there is very little difference between the teams in these 2 divisions, which might help explain the yo - yo performances from many counties. The trick is trying to bridge the gap to Div 2. I know that 2 go up every year but staying there seems to prove troublesome. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1614 - 11/06/2023 12:49:11 2485471 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Could be Meath or Limerick either. Think I'd prefer Limerick but at this stage it will all be on the day. Bring it on!!!" limerick or antrim Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2973 - 11/06/2023 13:37:26 2485482 Link
Replying To legendzxix: " Replying To supersub15: "It's my belief that you scanned my post and then dismissed it rather than read it, however that's ok by me, also I'm not here posting to throw negatives at the TC, it is simply not possible that the TC competition is inch perfect so in good faith I am simply just making comment on areas that could / should be improved on. You say, "The Tailteann winner qualifies for the All-Ireland. 3 up and 3 down is not championship. I never suggested it was, what I am saying is the the TC cup and the All Ireland Senior football championship, is not championship football by a country mile. "The hurling tiers you reference promote the winners." - - - So be it, I have no problem with that, I'm saying their system is user friendly, reflects at a glance what it's about and the hurling counties seem to be very happy with it, I also think the hurling structure currently in situ is very rewarding to all concerned. The TC competition was structured and put in place in good faith and I accept that but there is no harm in trying to improve on where it falls down." The current All-Ireland and Tailteann structure allows for more movement. I see that as a positive. Football promotes 2 between divisions. Hurling only promotes 1 team between divisions. I'm not hugely in favour of provincial runners-up qualifying. If this year only allowed provincial winners to qualify, Meath and Cavan would have been in the All-Ireland groups, a reward for Cavan for winning Division 3. Sligo and Clare would have been in the Tailteann instead, unless they had won their provincial championship." I agree the provincials should have little bearing on the seeding, because of how skewed some or the provincial championships are. For example, it would be very very difficult for Antrim or Fermanagh to reach a provincial final, because of how deep is, where as Leitrim or Sligo have a shout every year based on which side or the draw they're on. But the GAA are so obsessed with retaining the provincials, they're trying to make them relevant. The All Ireland should be Div 1 and 2 with the Tailteann Cup Previous winners if they're not in either division and the Tailteann Cup should be div 3 and 4. You want to make the TC as competitive as possible and to be fair some of the games this year have been excellent, some big shocks yesterday too. So it's almost there. hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 11/06/2023 14:06:16 2485490 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "limerick or antrim" Can't get Antrim Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 11/06/2023 16:31:44 2485532 Link
Bowl 1: Limerick Cavan Meath Antrim Bowl 2: Carlow Wexford Down Laois Limerick are unable to face Carlow, Cavan can't take on Laois, Meath won't meet Down and Antrim are prohibited from drawing Wexford. Limerick were Division 3 runners-up last year and qualified for the Tailteann quarter-finals without any fuss. They have had 4 weeks to get ready for the quarter-finals. Their final game against Wicklow was a dead rubber. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8780 - 11/06/2023 17:18:36 2485540 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "It's Cavan v Wexford just as I told you." You were saying ???? Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 159 - 12/06/2023 08:56:42 2485681 Link
Antrim v Carlow Cavan v Down Limerick v Laois Meath v Wexford skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 12/06/2023 09:12:52 2485687 Link
Few slight changes from last week. Wexford are proving to be a championship team and Laois with the result of the TC so far meaning they go up a place or two. 1. Cavan 2. Meath 3. Down 4. Antrim 5. Limerick 6. Fermanagh 7. Wexford 8. Laois 9. Offaly 10. Carlow 11. Longford 12. Wicklow 13. London 14. Tipperary 15. New York 16. Leitrim 17. Waterford Some potential for more movement next weekend. TC Quarter final Draw. Cavan v Down Antrim v Carlow Meath v Wexford Limerick v Laois drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 351 - 12/06/2023 09:35:14 2485698 Link