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Leinster U20 Hurling 2023

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Replying To skirge7:  "The final in Carlow is now sold out. 12,000 tickets. Why wasn't it put in a bigger venue like Portlaois?

It like some official looked and said Offaly are a weak hurling county they won't bring a crowd.

In the Minor Kilkenny v Galway was put in Portlaois."
Are you sure it's 12000? A couple of other lads had 21000 as a figure.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 17/05/2023 10:59:46    2479196

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Replying To Viking66:  "Are you sure it's 12000? A couple of other lads had 21000 as a figure."
All the grounds have had there capacity reduced, probably was that back in the day and is 11 or 12k now, Wexford Park was 25k after it was redeveloped in 2001 think its 17 or 18k now.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/05/2023 11:10:18    2479207

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Yeah, Google says capacity in Carlow is 21,000 - it's getting the figure from Wikipedia, and don't believe everything you read there.

It was around that back in the day all right, when there was a huge grass bank all around the O'Hanrahan's end, and when you were allowed to cram people in on a bank like that with no real regard for health & safety. I remember being on it myself a few times.

Capacity these days is 11,000 according to an article on this site from 2015 - https://hoganstand.com/article/index/231325
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Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 17/05/2023 12:06:05    2479228

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The real issue here is the fact they U20 Championship is run off so early in the year. If it had have been run a month later, you could have had this Leinster Final in Nowlan Park

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 480 - 17/05/2023 13:33:37    2479246

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yeah, Google says capacity in Carlow is 21,000 - it's getting the figure from Wikipedia, and don't believe everything you read there.

It was around that back in the day all right, when there was a huge grass bank all around the O'Hanrahan's end, and when you were allowed to cram people in on a bank like that with no real regard for health & safety. I remember being on it myself a few times.

Capacity these days is 11,000 according to an article on this site from 2015 - https://hoganstand.com/article/index/231325
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Look at the crowd at the Connacht football final 1999, if this happened in this day and age their would be a tribunal called the following week!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejM6dgpvw0o

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/05/2023 14:11:11    2479252

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Before Covid, U20/U21 finals were part of the home and away agreement between counties. For instance, Wexford v Kilkenny 2019 was in Wexford Park; Wex v KK 2017 was in Nowlan Park; Offaly v Dublin 2016 was in Tullamore, etc.

It moved to neutral venues in 2020 and 2021 when there were crowd restrictions in place.

Wexford v Kilkenny last year was played in Carlow for the simple reason that neither Nowlan Park nor Wexford Park had lights at the time (same reason Nowlan Park can't be used this evening).

But Wexford Park now has lights, and the last Wexford v Offaly knockout match was played in Tullamore (2019), so you could strongly argue that by rights, we should have home advantage this evening instead of going up to Carlow."
Capacity aside
Netwatch Cullen park is one of biggest pitchesin country and also has a superior playing surface with superb drainage
So ideal for hurling
I actually think the current ground should be developed into a 25k stadium as an alternative to games where crowds are looking lost in Croke Park
Great position in terms of transport links and capacity for parking near ground

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 755 - 17/05/2023 14:26:07    2479256

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yeah, Google says capacity in Carlow is 21,000 - it's getting the figure from Wikipedia, and don't believe everything you read there.

It was around that back in the day all right, when there was a huge grass bank all around the O'Hanrahan's end, and when you were allowed to cram people in on a bank like that with no real regard for health & safety. I remember being on it myself a few times.

Capacity these days is 11,000 according to an article on this site from 2015 - https://hoganstand.com/article/index/231325
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An Offaly lad posted 12000 tickets sold. So that's probably correct then. Decent crowd!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 17/05/2023 14:36:53    2479262

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Replying To Viking66:  "Are you sure it's 12000? A couple of other lads had 21000 as a figure."
Ah viking, Carlow wouldn't hold 21,000 or anything like that. Their stand is very small. 12,000 sounds more realistic.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 450 - 17/05/2023 14:46:48    2479271

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Congrats to Offaly,absolutely huge result..hard luck on Wexford..it's a pleasure to watch a game with very little tactics.both teams went at it fair and square..all the best in all Ireland final..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2507 - 17/05/2023 21:20:08    2479319

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What a game brilliant stuff from both teams well done to Offaly.A great championship in Leinster this year.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1698 - 17/05/2023 21:39:28    2479327

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Unlucky Wexford, but delighted for Offaly. I think this is a great result for hurling. Hope they beat Cork in the final.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 17/05/2023 21:40:54    2479329

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well done to the 2 teams on a great game of hurling . unlike the rubbish that passes for senior hurling . there was great dskill and hurling ability shown by both teams . it wasnt like big gym bunnies running around . maybe this game will revive hurling but i doubt it . people like kinnerck and co would scoff at hurling skill like that

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1898 - 18/05/2023 08:52:39    2479346

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Talk about a glass half empty. Instead of seeing it as potentially a massive day of great colour and excitement for Offaly, you're complaining about the order the matches would be played in.

Not sure what your point is either re. Offaly lads potentially having to choose which match to play in. The same rule that you can only play either U20 or senior in a seven-day period, but not both, applies equally to all counties. Not just Joe McDonagh Cup counties.

For instance, if Wexford win Leinster U20 and make the All-Ireland Final, nobody could line out in both U20 Final on May 27 and in senior match v Kilkenny the following day."
Having seen Offaly U20 manager Leo O'Connor's comments on this, I looked up the relevant rule about U20s also playing senior, and I stand corrected.

The rule that you can only play U20 or senior within a seven-day period, but not both, applies only to the Tier 1 hurling competition. It doesn't apply to Tier 2 (the Joe McDonagh Cup).

So, it's not the same rule applying equally to all counties, and O'Connor possibly has something of a point here, if both their seniors and U20s have been able to use Charlie Mitchell this year in the space of just a few days of each other.

But on the other hand - should it not apply equally across the board? I'd argue strongly that it should.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 18/05/2023 16:11:20    2479462

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Having seen Offaly U20 manager Leo O'Connor's comments on this, I looked up the relevant rule about U20s also playing senior, and I stand corrected.

The rule that you can only play U20 or senior within a seven-day period, but not both, applies only to the Tier 1 hurling competition. It doesn't apply to Tier 2 (the Joe McDonagh Cup).

So, it's not the same rule applying equally to all counties, and O'Connor possibly has something of a point here, if both their seniors and U20s have been able to use Charlie Mitchell this year in the space of just a few days of each other.

But on the other hand - should it not apply equally across the board? I'd argue strongly that it should."
I see no reason why a player should not be able to play both if fit and thought good enough to hurl senior.

It has been criticised across the board by all of the counties who have reached the last stages of the under 20s, including some of the players themselves, so if the focus is supposed to be on what is good for them, then the rule ought to be dropped.


Agree about the quality of the games too. Watched both finals as well as Dublin's games and a few of the other Leinster and Munster and you would have to agree that there is much more emphasis on skill levels than physicality.

Some of the skills on display by all four teams in the two finals were exceptional, in large part possibly because the sort of score taking from what looked like poor positions would be coached out of lads in some instances as poor % calls.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3512 - 18/05/2023 16:54:37    2479472

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I'm in agreement,this rule is either for all counties or none.the rule is ridiculous..some under 20s played colleges hurling on a wed/thurs and lined out in league games on the sat/sun with their counties..I think this shows how far removed from reality the top brass in croke park are..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2507 - 18/05/2023 18:12:39    2479491

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Having seen Offaly U20 manager Leo O'Connor's comments on this, I looked up the relevant rule about U20s also playing senior, and I stand corrected.

The rule that you can only play U20 or senior within a seven-day period, but not both, applies only to the Tier 1 hurling competition. It doesn't apply to Tier 2 (the Joe McDonagh Cup).

So, it's not the same rule applying equally to all counties, and O'Connor possibly has something of a point here, if both their seniors and U20s have been able to use Charlie Mitchell this year in the space of just a few days of each other.

But on the other hand - should it not apply equally across the board? I'd argue strongly that it should."
Of course it should. The rule is basically implying that burnout only occurs at Liam McCarthy which is absolutely ridiculous.

Frontier1000 (Cork) - Posts: 61 - 18/05/2023 19:02:35    2479498

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "well done to the 2 teams on a great game of hurling . unlike the rubbish that passes for senior hurling . there was great dskill and hurling ability shown by both teams . it wasnt like big gym bunnies running around . maybe this game will revive hurling but i doubt it . people like kinnerck and co would scoff at hurling skill like that"
Post of the year my friend I echo that statement.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 18/05/2023 21:09:24    2479510

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Fair play to Offaly great to see them on the way back, although obviously it would have been better for me to see them win it next year!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 18/05/2023 21:28:13    2479512

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What are the chances of moving minor back to U18 and U21 again for next year?

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 18/05/2023 21:48:48    2479523

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I see no reason why a player should not be able to play both if fit and thought good enough to hurl senior.

It has been criticised across the board by all of the counties who have reached the last stages of the under 20s, including some of the players themselves, so if the focus is supposed to be on what is good for them, then the rule ought to be dropped.


Agree about the quality of the games too. Watched both finals as well as Dublin's games and a few of the other Leinster and Munster and you would have to agree that there is much more emphasis on skill levels than physicality.

Some of the skills on display by all four teams in the two finals were exceptional, in large part possibly because the sort of score taking from what looked like poor positions would be coached out of lads in some instances as poor % calls."
The rule as it stands is far better than last year, when playing even once at senior level would have ruled you out of U20 action for the whole season. It was actually Wexford who brought the motion to Congress to have it changed.

But whether you like the rule or not, the point here is not about whether it should be in place at all or not. The point is that so long as it's in place, should it or should it not apply equally across the board?

Or are you in favour of one rule for some, but a different rule for others? Since you're a Dub, I can't help asking....a bit like how only one county can have a "neutral" venue within that county?? ;)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 18/05/2023 23:15:09    2479542

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