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Good to see theres a effort been made to tackle diving in GAA, many players are very skilled at holding their opponents arm and falling to the ground to earn a free which is essentially cheating. Players making mountains out of minor touchs too is embarressing especially when you consider the players that wore the jersey in the years before before them wouldnt go down even if they were badly hurt! OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 669 - 07/03/2023 11:21:16 2462492 Link
It's becoming a much bigger problem. A few kk legends were gifted at it. We have one wexford hurler at it the whole time too Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2625 - 07/03/2023 13:32:03 2462530 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "It's becoming a much bigger problem. A few kk legends were gifted at it. We have one wexford hurler at it the whole time too" You would think after all the practice he'd be winning a few more frees by now! Although he doesn't seem to be as bad so far this year! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 07/03/2023 15:07:11 2462564 Link
Replying To OpenStand: "Good to see theres a effort been made to tackle diving in GAA, many players are very skilled at holding their opponents arm and falling to the ground to earn a free which is essentially cheating. Players making mountains out of minor touchs too is embarressing especially when you consider the players that wore the jersey in the years before before them wouldnt go down even if they were badly hurt!" I bet your belief that it is good to see will end the next time a Limerick player throws himself to the ground and doesn't win a free...... Every county has a few. I was watching Joe Canning Laochra Gael and that free the lad with the yellow helmet got was nowhere near a free, Glennon was it? They deserved to lose the replay after it. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 07/03/2023 18:41:29 2462631 Link
Three notable diving incidents in last few weeks Jack McCarron Monaghan v Roscommon pushed in the chest but made a meal of it. Yellow card Sean Kelly- not touched and went down like shot. Black card David Clifford- surrounded by Tyrone players and dropped looking for a free. Free out no card It's complicated. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/03/2023 19:12:00 2462635 Link
Cork players in both hurling (especially) and football are the worst culprits for diving and for looking for soft frees. Also, they're the worst for giving lip and backchat to the ref. They've always been that way. It's in their DNA to dive and to complain. Refs should start to clamp down on Cork more for it, even if it means they end up with 10 players on the field. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 07/03/2023 19:26:25 2462637 Link
One thing I hate to see in Gaelic games is diving and feigning injury, some teams are forever at it, it needs to be stamped out, book them and send them off. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 07/03/2023 19:50:44 2462640 Link
Celtic Park had a few lads who would have given Nadia Komenich a dive for her leu :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 07/03/2023 21:40:17 2462649 Link
Replying To Viking66: "You would think after all the practice he'd be winning a few more frees by now! Although he doesn't seem to be as bad so far this year!" The physio came on to treat Sean Kelly the other day even though there was nothing wrong with him. The physio comes on and "treats" Ryan O'Donoghue and Cillian O'connor around 5 times a game even though they miraculously never have to go off injured. They should bring in a rule that if you get treatment, you get blood subbed for 5 minutes. Help the recovery!! smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 361 - 08/03/2023 08:53:33 2462661 Link
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0307/1360890-two-types-of-dives-are-now-prevalent-in-our-games/ Good article out of Shane Mcgrath on Cheating-Diving in GAA OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 669 - 08/03/2023 09:19:14 2462664 Link
Replying To smallfrank: "The physio came on to treat Sean Kelly the other day even though there was nothing wrong with him. The physio comes on and "treats" Ryan O'Donoghue and Cillian O'connor around 5 times a game even though they miraculously never have to go off injured. They should bring in a rule that if you get treatment, you get blood subbed for 5 minutes. Help the recovery!!" 5 times a game, interesting stat there. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 08/03/2023 09:52:04 2462668 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "5 times a game, interesting stat there." Count them the next day. Damien Comer as well if you think I'm biased. Never have to be taken off though. smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 361 - 08/03/2023 09:56:46 2462669 Link
Replying To smallfrank: "The physio came on to treat Sean Kelly the other day even though there was nothing wrong with him. The physio comes on and "treats" Ryan O'Donoghue and Cillian O'connor around 5 times a game even though they miraculously never have to go off injured. They should bring in a rule that if you get treatment, you get blood subbed for 5 minutes. Help the recovery!!" Always thought that would solve alot of the problem too!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 08/03/2023 10:19:26 2462680 Link
Diving used to be considered a sign of unmanliness. So lads would be too embarrassed to be at that game. Even to extent where you had fellas playing on concussed and gashes over their eyes. Not so any longer. Some players and teams just regard it as a cynical means to gain an edge. You do see the occasional ref clearly being annoyed but they need to be showing cards more often. Like lots of modern cynicism it is naive to expect it to be abandoned so it needs punishing. If objective is to get an opposing player sent off then punishment ought to be the same. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 08/03/2023 11:16:50 2462704 Link
I do think our culture has moved, with lads copying soccer style diving. Looking back to 1990 AI Football Final Mick Lyons took a firm jab to the jaw from Colm O' Neill, Mick didn't move an inch or dive. Colm got the red card & justice was correctly administered. Mick wasn't going to bend the knee to any one & Meath were a reflection of Men who not give it to say they unable to handle themselves or show weakness to any opponent. St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 101 - 08/03/2023 11:20:30 2462705 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Diving used to be considered a sign of unmanliness. So lads would be too embarrassed to be at that game. Even to extent where you had fellas playing on concussed and gashes over their eyes. Not so any longer. Some players and teams just regard it as a cynical means to gain an edge. You do see the occasional ref clearly being annoyed but they need to be showing cards more often. Like lots of modern cynicism it is naive to expect it to be abandoned so it needs punishing. If objective is to get an opposing player sent off then punishment ought to be the same." There has been a controversial incident in one game, a few years ago, where a certain Corner Back was on the receiving end of a flick back of a hurley by an opposing player. The flicker would have been put off but the victim made a complete meal of it, rolling around the ground like a lately decapitated chicken. Not one, but two Referees were standing by, assessing his condition and his exaggerated reaction to it. They decided not to be influenced by his nonsensical carry on and just gave a yellow carded to the culprit. The 'Victim' made a surprisingly fast recovery and played on, displaying no evidence what soever that he was as seriously injured as he was letting on. Excellent refereeing I thought Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 08/03/2023 11:31:03 2462711 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "There has been a controversial incident in one game, a few years ago, where a certain Corner Back was on the receiving end of a flick back of a hurley by an opposing player. The flicker would have been put off but the victim made a complete meal of it, rolling around the ground like a lately decapitated chicken. Not one, but two Referees were standing by, assessing his condition and his exaggerated reaction to it. They decided not to be influenced by his nonsensical carry on and just gave a yellow carded to the culprit. The 'Victim' made a surprisingly fast recovery and played on, displaying no evidence what soever that he was as seriously injured as he was letting on. Excellent refereeing I thought" It wasn't the first time we saw theatrics from the same "victim". Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 08/03/2023 11:56:25 2462726 Link
Not trying to defend anyone who does this diving crack. And whatever they can do to stamp it out I'm all for it. In Sean Kelly's case , while there is no excuse for it there is a couple of points, 1. It was completely out of character for Sean , who I have always seen as being a gentleman on and off the pitch 2. Whilst the contact did appear to be minimal, sometimes a slight tap in that area can be extremely painful. I do agree it didn't look much and maybe I'm being generous to Sean in this instance. 3. The Galway players were obviously aggrieved with the Peter Cooke sending off. Cooke was correctly sent off but the Monaghan player deserved at least a yellow for his part in the altercation and maybe, just maybe, they felt that a bit of scullduggery on their behalf might balance the books. Please note, I fully agree that none of the above 3 points justify the action and , in my opinion , it was wrong and i would agree with any process that the GAA could implement to de-incentivise this type of behavior by way of a post match video review , or otherwise. One caveat on these plans . If one player attacks another player and strikes him. The stricken player often has 2 choices. Either he falls to the ground , or stays on his feet. If he stays on his feet and tries to defend himself against his aggressor , often times the scuffle that ensues as he tries to defend himself , is interpreted by the referee as a fight and sends both players off. Doesn't happen often but if guys get a genuine dirty belt , they need to know that they can hit the deck without fear of subsequent disciplinary action. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 08/03/2023 12:09:14 2462728 Link
Replying To Bon: "It wasn't the first time we saw theatrics from the same "victim"." He's far from the only one though. This is a widespread issue across all counties. I can think of high profile incidents involving players from both of our current All-Ireland champions in football and hurling, as well as my own county. It needs to be addressed now or we'll end up in a situation like soccer where it's completely accepted. A retrospective ban for any player caught faking injury, if it's not caught by the officials at the time. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2034 - 08/03/2023 12:27:14 2462732 Link
It's far from a new thing. Sure we've seen hard men like Aidan O'Mahoney and Francie Bellew doing it. Nostalgia is not what is used to be. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 08/03/2023 12:33:49 2462735 Link