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Jarlath Burns

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Labhrás was rather invisible right enough.
Not a big follower of other sports but I don't think they play National Anthems except for International games of Finals."
Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 02/03/2023 14:30:20    2461416

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag."
To hell with the future let's live in the past........
Anyway there will be a new flag and anthem if/when the new All Ireland State comes about.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2011 - 02/03/2023 15:58:03    2461446

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "To hell with the future let's live in the past........
Anyway there will be a new flag and anthem if/when the new All Ireland State comes about."
I t has nothing to do with living in the past. A people who loses it's identity and predominance in their own place is finished. Doesn't matter what flag or songs they have in the new "Ireland,"

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 02/03/2023 16:53:20    2461463

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I would support a 32 county Socialist Republic. Capitalism in Ireland has gone mad. There is far too much disparity of wealth the whole system needs a dramatic overhaul.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 02/03/2023 16:57:51    2461466

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On the subject of the flag and anthem I would support them remaining at GAA matches as to get rid of them would serve no purpose as Unionists will never play or follow the sport in big numbers. in the event of a United Ireland the tricolour should be retained but the national anthem could be changed.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 02/03/2023 17:02:08    2461468

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag."
While I agree with your point Barney,most gaa fans have nt got alot of respect for our national anthem. When was the last time the anthem got to finish before some supporters start cheering. In fact the cheering starts earlier now than it did 40 years ago. Spectators should let the anthem finish and then clap and shout as loud as they want.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3851 - 02/03/2023 17:04:34    2461469

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "While I agree with your point Barney,most gaa fans have nt got alot of respect for our national anthem. When was the last time the anthem got to finish before some supporters start cheering. In fact the cheering starts earlier now than it did 40 years ago. Spectators should let the anthem finish and then clap and shout as loud as they want."
Would also help if people singing it before matches learnt the actual words rather than making phonetic sounds.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2011 - 03/03/2023 11:17:02    2461542

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Would also help if people singing it before matches learnt the actual words rather than making phonetic sounds."
Cinnte! Some of the efforts are downright disgraceful.. "Shinnie feeling full. A toe few gone ugg airing..."

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 03/03/2023 12:19:05    2461556

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Flag and anthem are the least of his worries. God point about playing the anthem on ***** PA systems..... not exactly respectful!

Biggest issue he will have is the movement of population centres. Certain clubs with huge history dying on their feet while other newer clubs struggling with huge numbers. Then the knock on issue is facilities within urban environs...... land is not cheap!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1894 - 03/03/2023 12:42:16    2461562

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Cinnte! Some of the efforts are downright disgraceful.. "Shinnie feeling full. A toe few gone ugg airing...""
Billy Connolly had a great sketch about people making up word in pub sing songs

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 03/03/2023 12:47:20    2461563

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "To hell with the future let's live in the past........
Anyway there will be a new flag and anthem if/when the new All Ireland State comes about."
Don't agree with that at all, unionists are already represented on the flay of Ireland. Plus unionists in the North haven't an anthem to start with, they borrow the English one.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2170 - 03/03/2023 12:53:50    2461564

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Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 972 - 02/03/2023 14:30:20

Amhrán na bhFiann wasn't translated from English until 1923, and wasn't until the 1930s that it was used officially before GAA matches as far as I know.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13780 - 03/03/2023 13:00:58    2461567

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The comment regarding the first is self evident. The descendants of the people who settled here from the other island in large numbers have never been integrated into the Irish nation, nor never will be.

The evidence regarding the latter is as plain as the nose on your face in Paris, Brussels, Malmo, London, etc, etc.

The alternative to things that will make things worse is not to implement them."
You sound like the protesters at the Port Tunnel amongst other places.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6149 - 03/03/2023 13:08:26    2461570

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 972 - 02/03/2023 14:30:20

Amhrán na bhFiann wasn't translated from English until 1923, and wasn't until the 1930s that it was used officially before GAA matches as far as I know."
It was sung at matches and other gatherings during the Tan War.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 03/03/2023 13:12:26    2461573

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Replying To Greengrass:  "You sound like the protesters at the Port Tunnel amongst other places."
Agreed. Some of the posts on this thread are a disgrace.

themaddog (Wicklow) - Posts: 136 - 03/03/2023 13:46:02    2461584

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "Amhrán na bhFiann has symbolic significance for GAA in that it was played in defiance of the authorities at a time when they were attempting to prevent matches between 1918 and 1921. Similar symbolic significance in 6 counties in more recent times. So I would be slow in ditching it. It might even subconsciously remind people that we are more than just a sports organisation.

As for the other sports, well some of them played a different anthem during the years 1918 to 1921 and flew a different flag.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 972 - 02/03/2023 14:30:20

Amhrán na bhFiann wasn't translated from English until 1923, and wasn't until the 1930s that it was used officially before GAA matches as far as I know."
It was sung at matches and other gatherings during the Tan War."
I mBéarla ar ndóigh.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 03/03/2023 13:50:04    2461585

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Don't agree with that at all, unionists are already represented on the flay of Ireland. Plus unionists in the North haven't an anthem to start with, they borrow the English one."
You won't be making the decision lol!
There WILL be a new flag and anthem for the new All Ireland State .
Anthem will be in English/Gaeilge/Ollstherscotch.

Hopefully the Gaeilge will be better than the current one.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2011 - 03/03/2023 15:12:21    2461618

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Flag and anthem are the least of his worries. God point about playing the anthem on ***** PA systems..... not exactly respectful!

Biggest issue he will have is the movement of population centres. Certain clubs with huge history dying on their feet while other newer clubs struggling with huge numbers. Then the knock on issue is facilities within urban environs...... land is not cheap!"
Your on the right track about population but the elephant in the GAA room is why 20% of the population from this island don't feel comfortable joining a local GAA club. Not just in the North but in every club in the south too.

Would yours and everybody's else club numbers increase if Parents from prodestant communitys took their children down to play football and hurling?

Would you be willing to vote for changes to GAA traditions anthems, nationalist club names, removal of republican and nationalist symbolism and taking the next step forward in the GAA evolution to leave behind it's nationalist origin and move towards a organization where all communitys, creeds and people from all religious and non religious backgrounds feel their local GAA club is a true cross community Hub where they feel welcome and they believe it represents the future of this country not it's past ?

It's big ask for Jarlath to take on this elephant, to acknowledge the GAAs origin but be prepared to cut these ties to the past and take the GAA organisation forward where more people no longer feel that the GAA only represents identitys which they are not.

Tirchonailabu56 (Donegal) - Posts: 23 - 03/03/2023 15:15:26    2461619

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Replying To themaddog:  "Agreed. Some of the posts on this thread are a disgrace."
You not liking other people's opinions does not mean they are a disgrace. That is why the site has moderators to make such decisions.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3256 - 03/03/2023 15:47:43    2461634

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Replying To Tirchonailabu56:  "Your on the right track about population but the elephant in the GAA room is why 20% of the population from this island don't feel comfortable joining a local GAA club. Not just in the North but in every club in the south too.

Would yours and everybody's else club numbers increase if Parents from prodestant communitys took their children down to play football and hurling?

Would you be willing to vote for changes to GAA traditions anthems, nationalist club names, removal of republican and nationalist symbolism and taking the next step forward in the GAA evolution to leave behind it's nationalist origin and move towards a organization where all communitys, creeds and people from all religious and non religious backgrounds feel their local GAA club is a true cross community Hub where they feel welcome and they believe it represents the future of this country not it's past ?

It's big ask for Jarlath to take on this elephant, to acknowledge the GAAs origin but be prepared to cut these ties to the past and take the GAA organisation forward where more people no longer feel that the GAA only represents identitys which they are not."
After partition the artificial unionist majority in the six counties tried in vain to eradicate all aspects of Gaelic culture ,they would have succeeded had it not been for the influence of the GAA.You only have to look at the current carry to see what we are dealing with. When re- unification happens and happen it will the GAA will not be found wanting .

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 351 - 03/03/2023 16:13:39    2461639

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