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I'd be thinking that if they were as bad as the rumours say the press would've got a hold of the stories by now and it would be big news.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15735 - 17/02/2023 08:37:06 2458602 Link 0 |
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Hard to say. I think there's always been serious injuries but I think its def a case that over training maybe some of the issue or training methods also. Its assumed that most intercounty teams have really top class fitness people and physios but I definitely dont think thats the case. I heard one intercounty physio who instructed a player he was fine to continue playing and training for weeks (and said the pain wasnt anything to worry about) and it turned out he had a break in his ankle - club player but a well known physio. Cadell must be very disappointed. This for me was his last real chance of making a proper break through. Bags of ability but hasnt shown it outside of club hurling all that often. Given Craig Morgan is out and we have a new full back, Cathal Barret is probably the last player Tipp wanted to lose. Hopefully he can make the start of the championship but couldnt be optimistic on that at this stage. Only advantage here is that Cahill is now forced to try more players at 2 & 4 and hopefully he can find two good ones. Come championship this year it's likely Tipp will only have Ronan Maher who played in positions 2-9 available to them from last year (albeit Kennedy is but no longer considered a back). Morgan, Cadell and Heffernan all out with ACL injuries and Barrett and Stakelum out with serious injuries, along with the tragic loss of Dillion Quirke. You look at the likes of Arsenal this season and wonder what are they doing right. They play the same 10/11 players every week. In the Wenger era there was always players out for months on end. I stand to be corrected but I dont think we see all that many ACL injuries anymore and these lads play 40-50 games a year. Granted its not like for like in terms of recovery though. Many GAA players now are putting on serious bulk with some only a level below rugby players Is that necessary? We all know the injuries and regular joint operations rugby players get. Having said that Paudie Maher never got injured (until the neck issue) and he was a big man so its hard to know. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/02/2023 09:05:03 2458605 Link 1 |
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The attrition rate is huge. Alex Considine who was excellent for Crokes in club despite only starting occasionally and who has always made an impact when playing for Dublin, only seen out I think two full games, has been cursed with injuries and is out again now for another while. It is no wonder that some fellas are calling it a day at an early age. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3525 - 17/02/2023 09:57:22 2458614 Link 0 |
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Putting on way too much upper body muscle mass in a short space of time and developing a stronger ratio of quad muscle to hamstring muscle has been researched and shown to cause ACL ruptures in field based athletes. GAA players tend to overtrain and not recover properly compared to professional athletes which is understandable. A premier league player is not going to play with a niggle, how many times do you see a premier league player sitting it out because of a 'knock'. A hurler would be laughed at if he said I can't play because of a knock and risk losing his place on the team. An Arsenal player gets paid every week where the plays or not. Premier league players can recover a lot better than amateur gaa players and their training loads and fatigue/injury's are monitored a lot regularly also. Modern day inter county sport is very very demanding on a players body. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 926 - 17/02/2023 10:00:29 2458615 Link 0 |
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Paudie Maher was naturally big to start with
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15735 - 17/02/2023 10:24:14 2458621 Link 0 |
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I've a fair idea what you're referring too, if its something from The Clare Times I wouldn't say its even total jealousy and begrudgery, I've seen stuff from that page before on other topics that is clearly just trying to add fuel to the fire, being totally honest when I 1st became aware of that page I taught it was satire like Waterford Whispers.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/02/2023 10:46:10 2458624 Link 0 |
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It's total garbage and even within clare they have two SM "news" pages that are constantly at odds with each other. This is where these "rumours" get their fuel. This stuff is not worth talking about. There's enough to discuss in what actually is happening on the field and not rubbish circulating by infantile and discredited agenda driven drivel .
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 17/02/2023 11:50:02 2458645 Link 1 |
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Not really. Canning towered over him in the 2006 minor final. Taller and generally a lot bigger. Maher was a beast in the gym by all accounts
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/02/2023 12:41:19 2458659 Link 1 |
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Canning grew earlier. Was a very big chap when he burst on the Senior team as a teenager.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15735 - 17/02/2023 12:56:39 2458665 Link 1 |
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You summed it up there, begrudgery....
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2320 - 17/02/2023 13:17:16 2458670 Link 0 |
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An absolute legend of a player and a powerhouse, didn't think there was too much between Canning and Maher in terms of size. Limerick used to often stick David Breen on him who was 6 5 and he would have to sole purpose of stopping him gathering possession and driving out.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 434 - 17/02/2023 13:17:43 2458671 Link 1 |
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During the league gaa should have tried to do something about hand pass in hurling. Maybe you can not throw up ball to pass but bounce it off hurley and then pass with hand Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 17/02/2023 16:12:49 2458712 Link 1 |
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I see the hurlers are back as the under bill for the footballers for Saturday week. Perhaps Donoghue wants to have a look at them in Croke Park, but other than that, I don't see the merit in playing in a cavernous arena instead of a packed Parnell Park. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3525 - 17/02/2023 18:13:43 2458732 Link 1 |
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Did you see the video Conor ODonavan did for his proposal? Its worth looking at and explains it well even if I don't agree with it. Last weekend in the Tipp match there were two really good examples of how a hand pass should be done and what should be a free. The camera was zoomed in on Ronan maher at one stage and he handpassed exactly like we were all thought growing up. Obvious daylight between ball and hand which I haven't seen in intercounty in years. A past hurler that's in the news at the min used to perform huge handpasses and always performed them correctly too. Another one Noel "handpassed" to Seamie in what looked like an obvious throw to me. The rule states something along the line that there must be an obvious striking action. I'd love to see a real close up slow mo of these passes by the likes of Noel (and almost all others) to see exactly what's happening. I'd be giving a free against regardless but I'm not convinced of this extra fast striking action that some believe is happening tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/02/2023 08:48:18 2458764 Link 0 |
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At underage I'm talking about. The point was made that Maher was always big. Ya a lot of counties tried that and a lot tried pass on him too. Eddie Brennan got the better of a young Paudie but not many others did. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/02/2023 08:50:47 2458765 Link 0 |
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Yes but regardless of training or even playing sports some lads grow at different rates to others. I was six foot at 13 and never grew another inch after. Probably shrunk now if anything!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15735 - 18/02/2023 10:25:35 2458783 Link 1 |
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I've noticed this year that Limerick are starting to use the short one handed hurley pass a huge amount more than ever before especially coming out with the ball in defense. It looks very risky but there definitely seems to be an emphasis on it this year. I was saying to friends are they trying to get the jump on the rest if this is brought in??They are still hand passing obviously but all countys are doing the quick strike. Cork in PUC the first day out did it throughout the match. Personally I don't have too big a problem with it. There were cases last year where there were clear throws and blown for it and Limerick got correctly blown plenty of times for it. I think it's so difficult to clamp down on the quick strike but refs will blow for throws as they did last year. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 18/02/2023 10:29:32 2458784 Link 0 |
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I'd be inclined to the same view. If the difference between a legitimate handpass executed quickly and a throw is so hard to detect, then either change the rule or stop it interfering with games when some obsessional refs blow it up without anyone on pitch or in crowd or on TV being other than annoyed. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3525 - 18/02/2023 11:20:35 2458798 Link 0 |
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I haven't noticed limerick doing that this year but it's interesting. To me the "brick flick" always seems unnecessary and a far slower action than a handpass tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/02/2023 21:32:23 2458941 Link 0 |
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That's the point. When people are proposing to introduce radical changes - in anything not just sport - they need to ask themselves two questions: 1) Why is the current position there in the first place? ie. what were the good reasons for it; and 2) What are the possible downsides of the change. In relation to the first, the handpass rule is there to speed up the game and avoid players being bottled up, and as above, returning to that is the most likely and obvious outcome of changing it. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3525 - 19/02/2023 09:30:47 2458958 Link 0 |