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In either hurling or football, you should only be allowed handpass if you received a kick or hurl pass. Ban all scores in football with the hand, the gammiest score of all is the handpass followed by the punch to the net. Awful looking tat. Its called football for a reason. In hurling, I would only allow the handpass off the hurl. It would encourage teams to move the ball and avoid the contact. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1267 - 02/02/2023 09:57:56 2455905 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "The liberal interpretation of two basic rules of Gaelic football is back for 2023. It's a near certainty that a forward with a sniff of a chance can go 7 or 8 steps past he man marker to get a shot away. And sure why bother striking a hand-pass when a throw is much safer? Last weekend alone (and not an exhaustive list): James Carr 7 or 8 steps for his goal for Mayo- but sure wasn't it a great shot all the same P McBrearty- threw the hand pass to set up his winner, again a super finish O'Sullivan threw Kerry's last point over the bar after about 8 steps- the classic 2-hander Kerry way Shane Walsh took a mere 7 steps to get round the Cork corner back for Meath's opening goal And Clare's winner against Louth was straight from a clean lift off the ground. Would any of the referee's involved have made it out of the car park if they'd applied the law correctly? Sorting out these two would do much to sort out the scourge of packed defences" Very good point Eddie and in hurling throwing the sliotar has been brought to whole new level in recent years without much punishment from what I have seen. tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 02/02/2023 10:15:26 2455911 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "McBrearty clearly handpassed that ball. I agree its creeping into the game but you couldnt get a more obvious handpass than that one." Watch it back at 0.5x speed on YouTube. No strike with the hand and a clear throw. But agree yes it is endemic and the ref would have been castigated for penalising it. This is not to single out Paddy or Donegal, its just a good example of what everyone is at. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1122 - 02/02/2023 11:04:27 2455948 Link
Last Sunday, for Meath's third goal v Cork, the Meath player took 24 steps with one hop of the ball in the middle. The steps rule needs to be enforced or reformed or abolished but the current position is laughable. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2303 - 05/02/2023 12:50:58 2456524 Link
No commentary at all last night on the hurling. I admire Robbie OFlynn as a hurler and wish him all the best in his recovery but several times last night v Limerick he ran 10 steps with the ball. Bit of a joke to be honest Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 05/02/2023 13:29:48 2456533 Link
Replying To tommy k: "Very good point Eddie and in hurling throwing the sliotar has been brought to whole new level in recent years without much punishment from what I have seen." Maybe that Meath player is in need of a LADDER and not STEPS!!! bridgerebel (Galway) - Posts: 44 - 05/02/2023 13:32:28 2456535 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "Your last observation is precisely the problem. Forwards are allowed carry a ball illegally out of the attempted tackle 'to make space for the shot'. What chance has a defender one-on-one as a result? The only sensible remedy is to mass your players in defensive positions within 50m of your goal. The thrown hand pass, while seemingly innocuous, adds to the problem because the pass is easier to control. Less of a contest for possession as a result. Its not a criticism of referees by the way, more an indictment of players, mentors and supporters. We all call for the rules to be applied correctly and consistently, but don't want the steps rule imposed on our star corner forward! As far as overcarrying while not moving, there is provision for the time taken to take 4 steps in the laws of the game. An odd construction of a rule but its there all the same. What to do? I'd make it. 5 steps and strictly max 5 First action must be a solo not a hop 3 seconds stationary- release ball or free kick No open hand for pass. Definite striking action with closed fist and static holding arm. No score from fist out of own hand inside 13m No score from ball in flight from handpass I.e. floated handpass The game seriously needs to create opportunities for defenders to turn the ball over one-on-one or we will be stuck with interminable handfasting for good." Some great ideas here. I reckoned banning the palmed/etc goal direct from a hand-pass would be a good idea, that there had to be a play with the foot somewhere after the last possession by an attacking player (I'd still allow it after, say, a wayward pass from the goalie that gets knocked into the goal by an attacker in mid-air). The steps rule needs either implementing to the letter or changing. Also, when you bounce the ball, when do you start to count the 4 steps again? Or should it just be replaced with a time limit? Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1126 - 06/02/2023 17:16:42 2456885 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "In either hurling or football, you should only be allowed handpass if you received a kick or hurl pass. Ban all scores in football with the hand, the gammiest score of all is the handpass followed by the punch to the net. Awful looking tat. Its called football for a reason. In hurling, I would only allow the handpass off the hurl. It would encourage teams to move the ball and avoid the contact." The amount of throwing in hurling now is sickening. And not a single pundit is calling it out. Instead they are praising lovely one two passes that are throws. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 06/02/2023 19:55:40 2456914 Link
By far the biggest problem in Gaelic football is lack of definition of the tackle.Inter County football is becoming more of a rugby match with all the contact in tackles.It becoming un reffable at the top level. A game of half rules. heyday (Laois) - Posts: 35 - 07/02/2023 10:52:55 2456954 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "The amount of throwing in hurling now is sickening. And not a single pundit is calling it out. Instead they are praising lovely one two passes that are throws." You thank Cork, back in the Nineties, for starting it and Davy Fitz for really driving it on. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4471 - 07/02/2023 11:07:54 2456959 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "The amount of throwing in hurling now is sickening. And not a single pundit is calling it out. Instead they are praising lovely one two passes that are throws." When you have a culture of Refs ignoring 90% of fouls there's no hope of them upsetting the pundits by stopping throwing. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2009 - 07/02/2023 11:14:47 2456962 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "You thank Cork, back in the Nineties, for starting it and Davy Fitz for really driving it on." The GAA did nothing about it then and are still doing nothing. Everyone's at it now and if your team is not throwing the ball then your at a disadvantage and they should be. Thats the reality of it and unless we see it for what it is then the game will deteriorate into an ugly farce. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 07/02/2023 13:30:47 2457029 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "The GAA did nothing about it then and are still doing nothing. Everyone's at it now and if your team is not throwing the ball then your at a disadvantage and they should be. Thats the reality of it and unless we see it for what it is then the game will deteriorate into an ugly farce." Is it as big a problem as is made out? Don't see too many players complaining and only time there is crowd reaction is when ref pulls someone up on it. Some refs are obsessive about it and I cannot say it adds to the game. Seeing as mentioning refs and rules, Garryowen McMahon had great game in reffing Cork/Dublin woemn yesterday, Whistle in pocket mostly and no complaints from anyone on the field or off it other than a touch and go penalty decision that actually involved a player touching the ball and not the woman, BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3245 - 07/02/2023 13:59:30 2457050 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Is it as big a problem as is made out? Don't see too many players complaining and only time there is crowd reaction is when ref pulls someone up on it. Some refs are obsessive about it and I cannot say it adds to the game. Seeing as mentioning refs and rules, Garryowen McMahon had great game in reffing Cork/Dublin woemn yesterday, Whistle in pocket mostly and no complaints from anyone on the field or off it other than a touch and go penalty decision that actually involved a player touching the ball and not the woman," Im referring to hurling and lot of people with no voice are not happy. In any case Im not in favour of ignoring rules just because it somehow makes for a better spectacle. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 07/02/2023 14:50:12 2457071 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "Im referring to hurling and lot of people with no voice are not happy. In any case Im not in favour of ignoring rules just because it somehow makes for a better spectacle." Trying to determine the difference between what is legitimately considered to be a hand pass and a throw is pretty difficult to tell, or even execute, would you not agree? Although I can see where teams exploit that by not bothering to pretend! Maybe it is the rule that requires changing? Although the alternative of having no hand pass at all would just lead to players being bottled up even more so than happens now and we'd have an unholy mess. Think most people prefer it as it is. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3245 - 07/02/2023 15:15:10 2457077 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Trying to determine the difference between what is legitimately considered to be a hand pass and a throw is pretty difficult to tell, or even execute, would you not agree? Although I can see where teams exploit that by not bothering to pretend! Maybe it is the rule that requires changing? Although the alternative of having no hand pass at all would just lead to players being bottled up even more so than happens now and we'd have an unholy mess. Think most people prefer it as it is." Yes I agree. In that case the hurling hanpass is nothing more than a throw if we cant tell the difference. There are other variations of the handpass that are legal and skillful. Conor o Donovan of Tipperary made a recent proposal to change the rule but it was voted down marginally before making it to congress. What Conor needs is more support if anything worthwhile is to happen. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 07/02/2023 16:28:42 2457110 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Trying to determine the difference between what is legitimately considered to be a hand pass and a throw is pretty difficult to tell, or even execute, would you not agree? Although I can see where teams exploit that by not bothering to pretend! Maybe it is the rule that requires changing? Although the alternative of having no hand pass at all would just lead to players being bottled up even more so than happens now and we'd have an unholy mess. Think most people prefer it as it is." "Rules" in hurling!!!! Guidelines more like so the Ref can occasionally stop play to get a little rest. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2009 - 07/02/2023 16:45:51 2457115 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "Yes I agree. In that case the hurling hanpass is nothing more than a throw if we cant tell the difference. There are other variations of the handpass that are legal and skillful. Conor o Donovan of Tipperary made a recent proposal to change the rule but it was voted down marginally before making it to congress. What Conor needs is more support if anything worthwhile is to happen." I don't see how that would work to be honest. Handpassing the ball with the other hand than the one that threw it up used to be the rule (I think but not 100%) and that led to wholesale dropping of the stick which is now a foul. Older people like myself will remember the great Tony Doran who was a master not only of the hand pass but the hand passed goal. His stick often ten feet behind him! Besides it surely only replaces one throw for another! Or alternatively he suggested that the ball be hopped on stick first then handpassed. Sounds pretty complicated to me and both alternatives be easily smothered by opponents. Which is why the current rule is there in the first place. It's a bit like picking the ball off the ground in football. If player and ball is moving then no one really cares. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3245 - 07/02/2023 19:02:13 2457139 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "Im referring to hurling and lot of people with no voice are not happy. In any case Im not in favour of ignoring rules just because it somehow makes for a better spectacle." One minute you are giving about out handpassing ruining the game and the next minute you are admitting it makes for a 'better spectacle'. You are all over the place. The only thing that was ruining hurling was that one team had huge victories for a few years, but that is phasing out now. What was so wrong with several games last year. The Munster Final and most of the games in Munster were fine games as was the Galway/Wexford, both the KK/Galway games, the WM/Wex clash and the KK/WX game was an absolute classic. Outside of the Provincial series only the Clare/Kilkenny fell below expectations. There is nothing wrong with hurling and as everyone knows the Final would have filled Croke Park twice if the space was there. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4471 - 07/02/2023 19:53:29 2457146 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "In either hurling or football, you should only be allowed handpass if you received a kick or hurl pass. Ban all scores in football with the hand, the gammiest score of all is the handpass followed by the punch to the net. Awful looking tat. Its called football for a reason. In hurling, I would only allow the handpass off the hurl. It would encourage teams to move the ball and avoid the contact." Have you ever seen the handpass goal scored by Eamon Cregan in the 1980 All Ireland Final. One of the classiest ever seen in Croke Park. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4471 - 07/02/2023 19:56:47 2457148 Link