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Replying To foreveryoung:  "What level do Mitchells play at now actually? They're a club that I haven't heard anything about in a while. I used to drink in Eugene Creigh's pub in Boherbue well over 30 years ago. I used to hear of the halyicon days of The Mitchells back then."
I gre up Forever hearing about the great Mitchels teams but in truth in my lifetime they have been an average club .In my era they did get to one counry final but they were beaten by Laune Rangers around 1989 or thereabouts.Its been a long time since a Mitchels player was a regular with Kerry.Anthony Gleeson in the 90s probabky the last to my recollection.Mitchels have great facilities but the glory days are long gone.Now of course during Mitchels heyday the club Na Gaeil did nt exist!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3549 - 07/12/2023 10:14:17    2515829

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Obviously Fossa are extremely reliant on the Cliffords, but they were a whisker away from reaching the top 8 in Kerry. They've been on some journey. In their current form, they're knocking in the door.
We can pick holes in every club, I can do the same in Galway. The basic issue is that having only 8 senior clubs in a strong footballing county, seems disproportionately low. I believe Kerry has around 70 football clubs, which is more than Galway or Mayo. Having only 8 of these in senior is quite lopsided.
I've made the point before that it leads to a few of the divisional teams becoming extremely strong, as they have the pick of teams ranked 9th and below.
This makes it very difficult for actual clubs like Dingle at the moment to win a county championship.
Having at least 12 senior clubs will reduce the advantage of a few divisional teams and give the clubs a fairer chance."
You keep saying this yet Milltown lost in Munster. So surely that disproves the myth of Kerry clubs having this great advantage? Or do you have an excuse for that as well?

I asked before what's stopping any other county from having divisional teams?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1345 - 07/12/2023 11:29:43    2515843

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "East Kerry are strong because of the Cliffords and Roche. No other county players on there. Mid Kerry have Breen and nobody else of county calibre. Templenoe have more county players on their team as does Dingle, but not the Cliffords.
Seem to be making a case to lessen the competition to allow club teams to win. Noone complained when Crokes, Stacks and Strand Road ruled the roost."
Nor did anyone have any issues with East Kerry when they sent most of the 2010s as one of the weaker teams in the championship.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1345 - 07/12/2023 11:31:00    2515844

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "What level do Mitchells play at now actually? They're a club that I haven't heard anything about in a while. I used to drink in Eugene Creigh's pub in Boherbue well over 30 years ago. I used to hear of the halyicon days of The Mitchells back then."
Intermediate for a long time now. At one point in the 2010s looked like they might win it but were recently in a relegation play off.

Had great plans when they moved out of town but it hasn't worked out for them at all.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1345 - 07/12/2023 11:32:39    2515845

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Replying To oneoff:  "You keep saying this yet Milltown lost in Munster. So surely that disproves the myth of Kerry clubs having this great advantage? Or do you have an excuse for that as well?

I asked before what's stopping any other county from having divisional teams?"
You're arguing a point that I'm not even making. I think the divisional system is brilliant. It should never be gotten rid of. If other counties can replicate it, then more power to them.
My point is that having only 8 senior clubs leads to two main issues:
1. Some divisional teams become even stronger, to the point where it's very difficult for actual clubs to compete. We've seen this in recent years.
2. The Kerry intermediate winners have an advantage provincially and nationally, as the 9th ranked team in their county. This is less of an issue than the first one in my opinion though. Milltown losing this year, doesn't disprove it at all. A look at the overall record is pretty clear.

A point was made in a previous post that people weren't complaining previously. What they didn't mention is that there used more senior clubs in Kerry previously. There were a minimum of 11 clubs up until 2016, so it was less of an issue. It was reduced to 8 from then on which has made it more difficult for clubs.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1928 - 07/12/2023 15:20:30    2515875

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Replying To oneoff:  "Nor did anyone have any issues with East Kerry when they sent most of the 2010s as one of the weaker teams in the championship."
Posters are avoiding the point that Kerry junior and intermediate winning teams do well lately on the backs of tree or four gifted players and a group of dedicated support players.
It is almost as if a rule should be passed that if a team has a few outstanding players then that team should be put in the senior division.
I ask again which twelve teams should be in the senior division, which four club teams (Inter or Junior) would you promote? (No cop out saying County Board issue.)

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 736 - 07/12/2023 16:30:54    2515889

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Posters are avoiding the point that Kerry junior and intermediate winning teams do well lately on the backs of tree or four gifted players and a group of dedicated support players.
It is almost as if a rule should be passed that if a team has a few outstanding players then that team should be put in the senior division.
I ask again which twelve teams should be in the senior division, which four club teams (Inter or Junior) would you promote? (No cop out saying County Board issue.)"
I already named the additional 4. It would naturally have to be the top 4 current Intermediate clubs. Why on earth would a Junior team be promoted to Senior?
Your argument seems to be that they're backboned by a handful of top players. Sure that's almost every senior club in the country. That's club football. In Galway most senior clubs would have a very small number of current or past county panel players. The strongest clubs like Maigh Cuilinn, Corofin and Mountbellew would have a few more.
It was Croke Park that forced Kerry to reduce from 11 to 8 senior clubs, as they wanted counties limited to a 16 team championship. However, Kerry should be allowed a different limit, given that 8 of the spots are assigned to divisional teams.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1928 - 07/12/2023 17:25:11    2515894

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