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Replying To slayer:  "To your second paragraph, spot on. Clare had us on the rack after their first goal. Clare fans roaring them on ferociously and they had a second goal chance, saved by NQ. We were on the ropes no doubt. But in the third quarter we won by 1-8 to 0-3. What is fantastic about this Limerick team is that there is always one huge quarter in them if they up it. The ferocity in the tackle, the ball played to Gillane, the shooting from our players. Everything went North in the Limerick-ometer during that 17-18 minutes.

After going 1-19 to 1-14 up Limerick hung on. No shame there. Up against one of the best teams in the championship and huge energy burned up in Q3. No, Clare didn't throw this away, Limerick won it."
I commented on here at that time that the Limerick heads had dropped like I never seen before. The legs seemed to have gone and it wasnt like the Munster final against Tipp were Tipp seemed to nearly have the game won at HT but Limerick were still hurling. I genuinely thought they were gone.
i was wrong and not for the first or last time but I'd say as a Limerick person you must have been worried in those few mins? They just keep answering every question tho

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/06/2023 13:58:00    2486431

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "Great point, one great example of this was how Limerick shaped up when they had the two point lead but as soon as it was pushed back to one you could see Kiely frantically trying to get them to push up the field again to attack again and not to sit. They will adjust and adapt to give themselves every opportunity to win"
Ya thats exactly what I was trying to say. Its no coincidence how they come back or close out games. Theyre so well coached.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/06/2023 13:59:16    2486432

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I commented on here at that time that the Limerick heads had dropped like I never seen before. The legs seemed to have gone and it wasnt like the Munster final against Tipp were Tipp seemed to nearly have the game won at HT but Limerick were still hurling. I genuinely thought they were gone.
i was wrong and not for the first or last time but I'd say as a Limerick person you must have been worried in those few mins? They just keep answering every question tho"
Limerick lost 2 very important defenders with 15 minutes left also. I'm not saying that the lads that came in played poorly but David Fitzgerald didn't get a puck of a ball off Kyle hayes until hannon went off injured. The most satisfying part of Sunday for me was Adam English Cathal o Neill and Colin Coughlin all played big parts in Limerick seeing out the win. 3 lads just out of u20s and they were the ones that were called on.

Cian Lynch is also chomping at the bit I believe but they resisted in what would have been a very tempting change with him. They really want to have him right for croke park. Again I thought kiely got that right.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 14/06/2023 14:31:26    2486441

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The balancing of the books is often a term that is used for referees in their decision making and I think this is what influenced the ref in the final 20 seconds. The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown. The ref was boo'd off the pitch by the Limerick end at half time and possibly would have chatted with his linesmen and umpires and realised he had got a few decisions wrong that favoured Clare. I think he possibly thought that giving a free to Clare at the end would have compounded the situation. The pitch invasion did not help and possibly led to him playing that extra bit of time to justify the steward getting everyone off the pitch. In Liam Gordon's defence for the last 2 potential frees the ball had gone away from Tony Kelly when Peter Casey collided with him so possible he did not see this. For the second incident I think he possibly felt that the Clare player went to ground quite easily and did not attempt to break the tackle.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 14/06/2023 15:33:05    2486461

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Replying To daveboy:  "Limerick lost 2 very important defenders with 15 minutes left also. I'm not saying that the lads that came in played poorly but David Fitzgerald didn't get a puck of a ball off Kyle hayes until hannon went off injured. The most satisfying part of Sunday for me was Adam English Cathal o Neill and Colin Coughlin all played big parts in Limerick seeing out the win. 3 lads just out of u20s and they were the ones that were called on.

Cian Lynch is also chomping at the bit I believe but they resisted in what would have been a very tempting change with him. They really want to have him right for croke park. Again I thought kiely got that right."
Ya i posted on Davy Fitxz not getting a sniff til Hayes went to 6. I seen in a few places Coughlan done well but we will agree to differ on that one. Personally I thought he was well off the pace... I thought the others were excellent though. I thought Hayes was great at 6 but possibly leaves more space behind him than Hannon does... He does like he will end up at 6 eventually tho from that cameo anyway

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/06/2023 16:13:27    2486468

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Replying To daveboy:  "I think you're bang on. He wanted to blow it on the puckout but the pitch invasion happened. Quilligan was unaware it was a wide and signalled by the umpire hence the reason the ref wanted him to puck it out and not play on. After that he probably felt it was stupid to then blow it and left the last puckout. When byrnes caught that ball that was when he should have blown the whistle but he delayed which to me was his major error. He wasn't giving a free clearly as in his head the match was over. Like dealer its just a feeling i have after being at the match and watching it back.


On a second note I know a lot of pundits have said clare had the winnings of the match in the last few mins because of taylors wide, Fitzgeralds wide and TKs ball dropping short but people forget that Limercick had bad wides in last few minutes also from Cathal o neill, hegarty, Adam English x 2 and WoD at the very end. Clare got a very fortuitous goal also in the match. I'm just not convinced that clare threw it away. Limerick had a 5 point lead in the 2nd half and butchered a few good chances at that time."
Add to this the fact that a Clare back could have been black carded and a penalty given for the Hegarty incident.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 14/06/2023 16:16:07    2486469

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I really don't think there is any agenda, Limerick's discipline was really poor at times against Waterford and this was discussed afterwards, this wasn't the case in any of the 4 subsequent games so hasn't been a talking point since. Cork u20s got the same coverage last week after a few poor incidents in the AI final."
What do you think of the yellow card Gearoid Hegarty got? Did the Clareman or two deserve the same or more? Pundits pretending not to notice in case they upset Croke Park.

aloneitstands (Limerick) - Posts: 74 - 14/06/2023 16:38:44    2486477

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Replying To aloneitstands:  "What do you think of the yellow card Gearoid Hegarty got? Did the Clareman or two deserve the same or more? Pundits pretending not to notice in case they upset Croke Park."
Like alot of other neutrals I taught it was a joke.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 14/06/2023 16:54:26    2486480

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Replying To aloneitstands:  "What do you think of the yellow card Gearoid Hegarty got? Did the Clareman or two deserve the same or more? Pundits pretending not to notice in case they upset Croke Park."
There hasnt been a word about the dive that got Hegarty booked. Arron Fitzgerald, Rory Hayes, Tony Kelly and now Hogan. How has it not been pointed out yet?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 14/06/2023 17:05:51    2486483

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Replying To Dealer:  "My own pet theory is that the ref messed up that last play on his own. I think he decided to give Clare a last play even though time was up BUT he wasn't going to give them a free. They had to get the score from play. I suspect that he made two bad decisions. The first was to not blow up on the puck out and the second was to not give the free. He compromised and put himself in a bad situation.

It's just a theory and I may be totally wrong but it explains what he did to me at least."
Yes. Supposed he gave the free how does that look. Clare tied it up in extra- extra time that there was no reason for and Limerick did not contribute to in any way. From the time the puck out was taken to the obvious free 10 to 15 seconds. What was he at? A mistake he won't make again. Don't get me wrong I would not begrudge Clare success and in fairness to them in general are looking else where in their genuine disappointment. They are still in the championship and anyone who might think they are a pusher over better think again. I don't think anyone will. Up the Banner and the Treaty keep chugging along. Don't write of the West either or the boys In the East. I think I covered everyone.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 14/06/2023 19:18:37    2486506

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Replying To Dealer:  "My own pet theory is that the ref messed up that last play on his own. I think he decided to give Clare a last play even though time was up BUT he wasn't going to give them a free. They had to get the score from play. I suspect that he made two bad decisions. The first was to not blow up on the puck out and the second was to not give the free. He compromised and put himself in a bad situation.

It's just a theory and I may be totally wrong but it explains what he did to me at least."
Yes. Supposed he gave the free how does that look. Clare tied it up in extra- extra time that there was no reason for and Limerick did not contribute to in any way. From the time the puck out was taken to the obvious free 10 to 15 seconds. What was he at? A mistake he won't make again. Don't get me wrong I would not begrudge Clare success and in fairness to them in general are looking else where in their genuine disappointment. They are still in the championship and anyone who might think they are a pusher over better think again. I don't think anyone will. Up the Banner and the Treaty keep chugging along. Don't write of the West either or the boys In the East. I think I covered everyone.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 14/06/2023 19:38:02    2486515

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Like alot of other neutrals I taught it was a joke."
I wish players would stop doing this. I don't care if it is Waterford, Clare, Limerick and everyone else. It is a blight on our games. Very easily fix. Bring in an unsportsman like booking (yellow). Even if one or two are subjective players will think twice before risking it. After all the GAA made throwing the ball a pet call and now seems off the books, they can make this the flavour of the day also.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 14/06/2023 19:50:59    2486523

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Replying To journeyman:  "The balancing of the books is often a term that is used for referees in their decision making and I think this is what influenced the ref in the final 20 seconds. The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown. The ref was boo'd off the pitch by the Limerick end at half time and possibly would have chatted with his linesmen and umpires and realised he had got a few decisions wrong that favoured Clare. I think he possibly thought that giving a free to Clare at the end would have compounded the situation. The pitch invasion did not help and possibly led to him playing that extra bit of time to justify the steward getting everyone off the pitch. In Liam Gordon's defence for the last 2 potential frees the ball had gone away from Tony Kelly when Peter Casey collided with him so possible he did not see this. For the second incident I think he possibly felt that the Clare player went to ground quite easily and did not attempt to break the tackle."
"The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown."
Why should the whistle have been blown?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 14/06/2023 22:22:59    2486544

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Replying To countyman2022:  "There hasnt been a word about the dive that got Hegarty booked. Arron Fitzgerald, Rory Hayes, Tony Kelly and now Hogan. How has it not been pointed out yet?"
Not what got him booked and you know full well what got him booked. It was harmless but no dive got him booked.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/06/2023 10:20:18    2486588

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown."
Why should the whistle have been blown?"
4 minutes injury time went up on the board so once the 4 mins had past the ref should have blown.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 15/06/2023 10:56:41    2486601

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Replying To journeyman:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown."
Why should the whistle have been blown?"
4 minutes injury time went up on the board so once the 4 mins had past the ref should have blown."
4 mins means at least 4 mins, ref is entitled to play on further if he wants and add in possible stoppages during injury time too.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 15/06/2023 11:23:22    2486613

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ya i posted on Davy Fitxz not getting a sniff til Hayes went to 6. I seen in a few places Coughlan done well but we will agree to differ on that one. Personally I thought he was well off the pace... I thought the others were excellent though. I thought Hayes was great at 6 but possibly leaves more space behind him than Hannon does... He does like he will end up at 6 eventually tho from that cameo anyway"
Anyone who saw Kyle Hayes play in the 2017 U21 All Ireland final will know what he can do there. He is the most likely successor to Hannon in that position but we will then need someone to step up and make the wing back spot theirs.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 15/06/2023 12:06:43    2486625

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Anyway the match is over now.....on to the All Ireland series...

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 15/06/2023 12:10:29    2486629

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Not what got him booked and you know full well what got him booked. It was harmless but no dive got him booked."
What got him booked? Please watch it back and explain to me and when you do could you also explain to me how two qualified medical personal were required.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 15/06/2023 12:42:29    2486638

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "
Replying To journeyman:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""The time was at 74.10 when WOD hit the last wide so on that puck out the whistle should have been blown."
Why should the whistle have been blown?"
4 minutes injury time went up on the board so once the 4 mins had past the ref should have blown."
4 mins means at least 4 mins, ref is entitled to play on further if he wants and add in possible stoppages during injury time too."]There was no stoppages in injury time.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 15/06/2023 12:43:43    2486639

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