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Glen have issued a statement that they 'are withdrawing from the appeals process'. Fair play to them. I wonder how many now will consider Kilmacud Crokes title "tainted"? MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 03/02/2023 20:25:21 2456237 Link
Glen have withdrawn their appeal. For many it will mean there was no winner of the 2022 AI senior club football championship. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/02/2023 20:26:47 2456238 Link
If Crokes don't want a replay then they should be banned for 5 years from club All Ireland championship and give the title to Glen, who now deserve it. Looking back at the replay, it's clearly skulduggery that went on - the player knew well be should be off the pitch but stayed on to defend the free kick situation. As soon as it went wide he ran off. Disgraceful and Kilmacud should now be ashamed of themselves. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 03/02/2023 20:47:27 2456240 Link
That's, that then Glen drop their appeal. Right decision all round, whole thing turned into a circus, any replay wouldn't have had any integrity really. Sorry process overall. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/02/2023 20:49:43 2456241 Link
Glen have withdrawn their appeal. points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 239 - 03/02/2023 20:59:30 2456243 Link
Replying To Kickitout: "If Glen had scored a goal in that last play with the 16 men of crokes on the field would there being a replay. Ordered ??? I would assume that there would have be as the rules were still broken ,,," That makes no sense. In that case, Glen would have prevailed despite their opponents acting illegally. Such a score would all the more deserve to be preserved because of the extra difficulty they would have faced in scoring it What you are suggesting here would reward the team breaking the rules. Following your logic, any team that saw it was about to concede a last-minute score which might lose it the match, all it would have to do would be to send a 16th player onto the pitch, and in that way it could always nullify the other team's winning score. Have you never heard of the advantage rule? points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 239 - 03/02/2023 21:09:54 2456244 Link
Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 03/02/2023 21:33:52 2456249 Link
Think glen have proven their point..rules were broken,they lodged an appeal which they won..be interesting to see now how croke park deal with fall out..just short of 2 weeks and president of association hasn't uttered a word.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2215 - 03/02/2023 21:35:20 2456250 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Glen have issued a statement that they 'are withdrawing from the appeals process'. Fair play to them. I wonder how many now will consider Kilmacud Crokes title "tainted"?" I don't consider the title was won by anyone this year. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 04/02/2023 08:08:48 2456254 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Saga over. Glen apparently have withdrawn their appeal for a replay. Common sence has prevailed. Rediculus that a replay was ordered in the first place. Matches and titles should be won on the pitch and not in boardroom" Yes. Shame there was no winner of the AI club football title for 2022 as no team won it fairly on the pitch but I guess that's that now. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 04/02/2023 08:10:39 2456255 Link
Replying To supersub15: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=supersub15: "Cast your minds back to that infamous LSF championship final of 2010, the powers that be put the onous on Meath to offer a replay to Louth, that in itself was to say the least very, very unfair to Meath and not very sporting or fair to Louth, we were promised the sun, moon, and stars that a situation like this would never ever happen again, a disputed score denied Louth Of victory at the final whistle by the narrow'st of margins. The same playing / substitution rules that applied to the Meath V Louth game applied to the Kilmacud v Glen game. The beaten team had a choice, accept defeat or lodge an objection through the appropiate channels. To me nothing has changed since 2010. In fairness to all and sundry there was no replay of the 2010 Leinster senior football final for what ever reason, therefore there should be no replay of the 2022 All Ireland senior club football final for the very same reason. The substituted player should exit the pitch to be checked off at the same point and time as his replacement is making his entry, simple." Meath didn't field 16 players for a 15 a side football game. It was a completely different situation. And BTW now just as at the time I still believe that the game should've been replayed." Viking66 sorry for the lack of clarity in my post, my point being the fall out from the 2010 LSF final is similar to that of the 2022 all Ireland senior club football final, admittedly sub's or substitutions had nothing to do with the 2010 result, however the final result albeit in both games is to say the lest "contentious" and that is saying it lightly. My bottom line is, the handling of the All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry) is no different to the handling of the 2010 LSF final, ie passing the buck. Both teams deserved better imo. PS According to Tom Ryan today he is happy there was no intervention by CP, in other words if a similar situation happens in 5 or 10 years time the end result will be more of the same."]I don't consider Meath to have won the 2010 Leinster title Supersub15, as don't many people I know. I don't consider KC to have won the 2022 AI club football title either as they failed to do so fairly on the pitch. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 04/02/2023 08:13:09 2456256 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "When it comes down to an issue involving Dublin GAA, do you really believe there are unbiased neutral posters, if it was Glen that had the extra man and they won the game the "neutral" posters that are calling for a replay now would be saying no replay." I don't think that's true. I can't speak for anyone else but if it was the other way around there should have been a replay also. Then again I'm not strictly neutral as I was supporting Crokes in the game. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 04/02/2023 08:15:19 2456257 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow." Well put… Ulsterman.. Kilmacud broke the rules on the day ( unwittingly ) but the GAA were prepared to turn a blind eye to it…Fair play to Glen for going out on a limb to prove how poorly the GAA look after their business… Glen had no gripe with Crokes at all and have emerged from this with their heads held high…. As for the GAA … Shame on them ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 04/02/2023 08:52:53 2456265 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Glen have withdrawn their appeal. For many it will mean there was no winner of the 2022 AI senior club football championship." The "many" you mention wouldn't give Dublin or K.C any credit under any circumstances so really from Kilmacud's point of view they are irrelevant sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 678 - 04/02/2023 08:55:42 2456266 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Glen have issued a statement that they 'are withdrawing from the appeals process'. Fair play to them. I wonder how many now will consider Kilmacud Crokes title "tainted"?" You may wonder but Kilmacud won't. You only need to read the posts here from "neutrals" they wouldn't give Crokes any credit no matter what happened so Crokes are hardly worried about their tainted biased views sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 678 - 04/02/2023 09:03:17 2456267 Link
Larry McCarthy and the Director general Tom Ryan showed poor leadership. Ryan uttered a few words during the week about if you change one game you have to make exceptions for all games to Junior F in Kerry. Silly point. An All Ireland final live on TV should have been with mentioning. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 04/02/2023 09:07:35 2456270 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done Glen. Made a point and kept their dignity and self respect in a wave of partitionist, anti-Northern bigotry from other so called Gaels. This was the right move by withdrawing their appeal. Kilmacud won the game on the pitch but rules were broken. They forced Croke Park to make a decision that should have done over a week ago. Many Glen players weren't happy at making Kilmacud play again, the game was won by the Leinster Champions but the Derry team has been vindicated. Take a bow." I agree that Glen made their point and were right to do so. However, you might be over-egging the 'wave of partionist' stuff just a bit. A quick read through this thread will show you that the vast majority have supported Glen on this issue. If any club has gotten abuse on here, it has been Kilmacud. Likewise in most media. Off the Ball for example, were very strong in their arguments for Glen to get a replay and suggested that Kilmacud had pulled a fast one. You seem to be type of person who'll look for the one or two dissenting voices from a group and paint it as the majority view. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 04/02/2023 09:10:11 2456272 Link
Replying To CTGAA10: "Think glen have proven their point..rules were broken,they lodged an appeal which they won..be interesting to see now how croke park deal with fall out..just short of 2 weeks and president of association hasn't uttered a word.." The silence is deafening from our high ranking and well paid officials. As you have pointed out glen have made their point, they deserved better treatment from GAA hq and the officials. I don't think crokes have come out of this well either could have held their hands up, would have gained a massive amount of respect if they had. I doubt if they care. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 04/02/2023 09:32:30 2456276 Link
The rules were broken whether its was officials fault ,Kilmacud's fault or both.Glen made the appeal and their point.Fair play to Glen for letting it go now and we can all move on.Its never easy losing an All Ireland and then too deal with this after must have been tough on them.Also it wasn't easy on Kilmacud players winning it then all that followed will there wont there be a replay?They were the better team on the day and good luck to them enjoy.As for the GAA they should hang their heads in shame.The way they went about their business was insulting to say the least to both teams and really to every Gaa member in the country.Hopefully they will learn from this and make quicker decisions in the future if something like this happens again.I wont hold my breath though. Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 256 - 04/02/2023 10:11:54 2456282 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Glen have issued a statement that they 'are withdrawing from the appeals process'. Fair play to them. I wonder how many now will consider Kilmacud Crokes title "tainted"?" Of course it's tainted. They broke a very fundamental rule. I have always admired Crokes for promoting Gaelic Games over many years in South Dublin, but I'm disappointed with their handling of this issue. Personally, I don't believe they intentionally tried to gain an advantage with the 16th man. Maybe they were so spooked by the memory of last year's final that they were a bit panicky in the closing stages. Nevertheless, once the CCCC had correctly decided that the game be replayed Crokes should have accepted that decision gracefully. Instead, there were (unconfirmed) reports that they would refuse to replay the game, which put pressure on all parties. By the way, does anyone know what grounds their counter-appeal was based on? I cannot imagine that they had any valid reasons for an appeal. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 04/02/2023 10:35:02 2456291 Link