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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Can anybody answer my question re the 2 Glen's players in the small rectangle? SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 26/01/2023 12:09:29 2454375 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "This seemed to only come up after the game, when we saw the view from behind from TG4. I don't think it was apparent at the time. But it is a big ask alright, how can we honestly do TV reviews properly? Think the easiest solution is the best, no player enters the field, until the other leaves a la soccer. And allow 30 seconds properly per sub, not the wishy washy time added on we have now. Even with everything on Sunday, ref didn't allow enough time." I'm on about TV replays for penalties, it's hard to call from a ref with players running at speed. As for subs, no player goes on until the man coming off crosses the line, and have a designated place for on/off. If things are done correctly add on 1 minute per sub. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2011 - 26/01/2023 12:19:27 2454379 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Viking I have no doubt you are right but it is about time the GAA got some brain power to deal with today's situations. When the NHL take action against a player or team there is no options for using legal power to wriggle out and money is in abundance there. Refereeing mistakes are very seldom reversed and appeals mostly unheard of. The risk of a failed appeal carries heavier punishment and this is a deterrent. The odd time a hearing is given the results are not public to be thrashed. Social media can blabber all they want but their opinion does not bother the people who run the show." Agree 100% Canuck Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 26/01/2023 12:30:13 2454381 Link
Replying To Jack L: "What I am stating is that the referee had his hand in the air to signal the substitution. Glen should have waited until substitution which they are obliged to as the referee had his hand in the air. The indication came from sideline official and the substitution was called over PA system. Play should not have continued until player had left the field. As play was continuing the player could not leave the pitch as he was in a defensive position. Once play had stopped ie ball gone wide, the player in question proceeded to leave the pitch. The referee seen him walking off and did not allow resulting kickout to be taken until he had left the pitch. If a score had come of the 45, chances is that it would be disallowed as the referee was not ready for the kick to be taken. As no score resulted from the 45, then he allowed play to continue as as the case with most quickly taken frees." You should never have 16 men on the pitch during play . It's a 15 a side game. If what you are saying is true the ref would've blown the play dead and ordered it retaken, as happens several times a game in every football and hurling game at every level in the country. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 26/01/2023 12:36:21 2454382 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "This seemed to only come up after the game, when we saw the view from behind from TG4. I don't think it was apparent at the time. But it is a big ask alright, how can we honestly do TV reviews properly? Think the easiest solution is the best, no player enters the field, until the other leaves a la soccer. And allow 30 seconds properly per sub, not the wishy washy time added on we have now. Even with everything on Sunday, ref didn't allow enough time." I was at a Walsh Cup hurling game a few weeks back where there were at least 10 substitutions made in the 2nd half yet only 2 minutes added. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 26/01/2023 12:37:53 2454383 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Glen have to take responsibility? For wanting to take a placed ball with the clock running out? They're not in control of the oppositions substitutions, or the officials. Jeez, I've seen some takes, but this one right here..." Yes. Every team will try to take frees as quickly as possible if they see advantage in doing so. If doing so is deemed as being too fast then it is 100% the referees responsibility to blow whistle and call it back. If you are going to blame a team for taking a free quickly and before the ref has deemed appropriate , you may as well call out every team that takes the field. It happens in every game . ZERO blame on Glen on this. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/01/2023 12:43:51 2454386 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I was at a Walsh Cup hurling game a few weeks back where there were at least 10 substitutions made in the 2nd half yet only 2 minutes added." I think you have highlighted the real issue. And it is an issue that would be resolved by allowing additional time per substitution. Lets be honest Kimacud did not make the substitutions because they felt that the new players would add anything to their ability to defend the lead. The substitutions were made for 2 possible reasons. 1. To give 2 more players the privilege of winning their AI medal on the pitch. If so this is admirable. 2. To run down the clock. If the ref had held up the play for 30 seconds or so for Crokes to get their players off then experience tells us that he is unlikely to add the 30 seconds. I'm not sure what the allotted time should be . 1 minute per sub might be excessive i.e. it could be abused the other way if this rule was in place, say, if Glen were to bring on 3 subs in the last few minutes , make the substitutions quickly and buy 3 extra minutes. Maybe simply stop the clock from the second the substitution is flagged until such time as the game resumes? anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/01/2023 13:15:12 2454394 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I was at a Walsh Cup hurling game a few weeks back where there were at least 10 substitutions made in the 2nd half yet only 2 minutes added." As we are finding out now, these things eventually blow up in your face sooner or later. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 26/01/2023 14:21:51 2454407 Link
Do not allow any substitutions in extra time, might cut out some of the messing that goes on with trying to run down the clock in tight games. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 501 - 26/01/2023 14:43:05 2454413 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "I think you have highlighted the real issue. And it is an issue that would be resolved by allowing additional time per substitution. Lets be honest Kimacud did not make the substitutions because they felt that the new players would add anything to their ability to defend the lead. The substitutions were made for 2 possible reasons. 1. To give 2 more players the privilege of winning their AI medal on the pitch. If so this is admirable. 2. To run down the clock. If the ref had held up the play for 30 seconds or so for Crokes to get their players off then experience tells us that he is unlikely to add the 30 seconds. I'm not sure what the allotted time should be . 1 minute per sub might be excessive i.e. it could be abused the other way if this rule was in place, say, if Glen were to bring on 3 subs in the last few minutes , make the substitutions quickly and buy 3 extra minutes. Maybe simply stop the clock from the second the substitution is flagged until such time as the game resumes?" In soccer it's 30 seconds per subs. That to me seems fair if it's done orderly and correctly when there a break in play. Sub should come off same spot as sub goes on ( unless badly injured) . Therefore the linesman know it's 1 for 1. Basic stuff really. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 26/01/2023 14:45:17 2454414 Link
The CCCC will examine every detail to find some flaw that will that will get them off the hook by throwing the objection out. The problem is people are looking at the rules of play as in Official Rules of Game Part 2 (Playing Rules). The Official Rules of Game Part 1 (Constitution & Rules of GAA) are the real "rules" - here are the roles of officials, the procedural tedious minute of who is on what commeittee and how discipline is adminisitered. This Book of the Black Arts has the answers to everything including the meaning of life. If the objective is to have the game replayed they will find it, if the objective is to let result stand they will find it. I look forward to their findings, a decisive timely one would be very helpful. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 26/01/2023 15:04:03 2454419 Link
Replying To letsgetgoing: "Do not allow any substitutions in extra time, might cut out some of the messing that goes on with trying to run down the clock in tight games." I have heard this suggested before but that isn't feasible. It would be great but almost impossible to manage when you have games with 5 or 6 minutes extra and a player injured. Of course most subs are for time wasting but you have to have a scenario where a team can bring on a sub for a player who is injured or out on their feet. Proving that they are genuine injuries etc. is another minefield. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 26/01/2023 15:07:50 2454421 Link
Blaming the refs is a joke. The flouting of the rules in completely and utterly the responsibility of the management of Kilmacud. They are the bossmen and should have a firm grasp of who is on the pitch. WunderBar (Galway) - Posts: 290 - 26/01/2023 15:27:32 2454422 Link
Replying To WunderBar: "Blaming the refs is a joke. The flouting of the rules in completely and utterly the responsibility of the management of Kilmacud. They are the bossmen and should have a firm grasp of who is on the pitch." Thank God, some common sense. The whole thing is such a shambles at this point, I would just null and void the whole competition. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 26/01/2023 15:37:51 2454427 Link
An absolute failure of officials in my eyes, the protocols are there, the road needs to be raised for play to stop and resume, the referee is receipt of the slips from the player and has to confirm before he resumes play. This I think ye GAA are culpable overall. Both teams are entitled to a gripe about the circumstances. But to be honest Crokes won the game, they were the better team overall on the day despite the brain fart, so I think If Glen forced a replay it smacks a bit of desperation. Equally if I was Crokes I'd refuse to play and give the cup back, theyd remain the sporting champions even if Glen had a bit of tin and the title wouldn't be respected. Would also highlight the absolute farce the comparison has become because of this and it deserves to be highlighted. Totally lost interest in this now, it's not sport anymore, good job it's The Dubs time…. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/01/2023 16:37:29 2454433 Link
Replying To Breffni1969: "In soccer it's 30 seconds per subs. That to me seems fair if it's done orderly and correctly when there a break in play. Sub should come off same spot as sub goes on ( unless badly injured) . Therefore the linesman know it's 1 for 1. Basic stuff really." Good point there Breffni. Subs should enter play in one location, where possible, and when player replaced has left the field. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1740 - 26/01/2023 16:38:55 2454435 Link
Replying To realdub: "Are we allowed ask what happened to Kingdomboy1? I think it's only fair that we know why his name doesn't even appear on the list. Is everything alright with him or was he ejected?" Hi Realdub.Hope alls well with you.Alot of Kerry posters left here on mass when they changed the format but Kingdomboy and I remained.We all joined a Kerry forum too and Kboy was posting away coming into the championship and all of a sudden disappeared.I sincerely hope he is ok but we don't know.A few on the Kerry forum have made enquiries but no luck,Thats the sad thing about a forum in that people could be sick or worse and no one knows.Anyway that's all I know on the matter. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 26/01/2023 16:41:29 2454436 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "An absolute failure of officials in my eyes, the protocols are there, the road needs to be raised for play to stop and resume, the referee is receipt of the slips from the player and has to confirm before he resumes play. This I think ye GAA are culpable overall. Both teams are entitled to a gripe about the circumstances. But to be honest Crokes won the game, they were the better team overall on the day despite the brain fart, so I think If Glen forced a replay it smacks a bit of desperation. Equally if I was Crokes I'd refuse to play and give the cup back, theyd remain the sporting champions even if Glen had a bit of tin and the title wouldn't be respected. Would also highlight the absolute farce the comparison has become because of this and it deserves to be highlighted. Totally lost interest in this now, it's not sport anymore, good job it's The Dubs time…." I watched the game and would disagree they were the better team overall on the day even though I was supporting them. They took their chances better but never really seemed well on top. I thought it was an even enough game and Crokes were lucky Glen butchered those 2 goal chances. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 26/01/2023 16:53:18 2454441 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "I'm on about TV replays for penalties, it's hard to call from a ref with players running at speed. As for subs, no player goes on until the man coming off crosses the line, and have a designated place for on/off. If things are done correctly add on 1 minute per sub." I could be wrong but I was told a while back that refs in the gaa are supposed to add on 20 seconds per sub.If that is actually the case then putting on subs in the last minute to waste time is actually doing the opposite if the ref implements the rule properly. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 26/01/2023 16:54:31 2454442 Link
Replying To MillerX: "Years ago a member of the Kilmacud Crokes management was involved here in Meath with St Peter's Dunboyne when Navan O'Mahonys used an extra sub in a Senior Semifinal. O'Mahonys won the game. St Peter's objected and were awarded the game. Karma on its way it would appear, or are some clubs more important than others? The GAA is now facing an acid test on fairness and I suspect they will bottle it. They had better not." Awarded the game? Wow. Not even a replay? I wonder why they went that far... But using too many substitutions is definitely a management error. It's not difficult to see an award of the game being decided. Got any links to stories about it? Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 26/01/2023 17:06:33 2454447 Link