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Replying To yew_tree: "Not sure about that…whilst I'm not condoning in any way drink driving, there is anger around here lately.
Example Gardai next morning checkpoints, following cats in the countryside with speed checks…yet when your home is broken into or there is a fight in town, they are slow to respond or are nowhere to be seen.
I think priorities need adjusting and fast. Someone mentioned young people are drinking less, in pubs most definitely but not overall. Drugs are also present in every town and village in Ireland which is another major problem." Young people are drinking less. The figures show our overall alcohol consumption is dropping and mostly being driven by younger generations.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 15/12/2022 22:01:29
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Gills is gone for good I think. More money to be made in the Dublin area in closing a pub and selling the site for apartments. Mostly only superpubs will be left in the future." Unfortunately. Small pubs no longer a viable option even in the cities and towns. More souless dumps with the drone of Sky Sports 24/7!
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 16/12/2022 08:57:07
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "It was dreadful kip. Preferable to another apartment block all the same.
All pubs on big days are jammed but some such as Meaghers and Bridge, Gills, Triangle, Hogans and a few others managed to retain a nice atmosphere.
Pity if Gills is gone because it was great spot especially on weekend nights for league when it would be busy but comfortable." Gills was handy for a few before the game, but in all fairness it's a dreadful kip, and I have memories of wading through a few inches of water/beer/**** to get to the toilet. But never mind the demise of GAA pubs, in general the pub is sadly becoming a thing of the past in Ireland, soon the day will come particularly in our cities where you will have to go into town to get a drink. Fast forward 10 - 20 years, and Dublin in particular will be a sea of high rise apartments, and nowhere to go for a drink, bite to eat etc.
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The death of the local pub took its last breath when the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport brought into law the amended drink driving limits in 2018, in fact a few months later another adjustment downwards was made, it literally meant that one glass of wine or one pint of larger not to mention a packet of wine gums could potentially put a driver over the limit.
Employers previously were continuously putting pressure on successive governments to help them "up" productivity ratings, this could be done by addressing absenteeism and lateness along with functionality in the workplace, alcohol related it was suggested.
For years we as drivers were continuously at loggerheads with our motor insurance providers complaining about the ever-increasing annual premiums we were shackled to, we still are by the way, coming up to general election time running TD's would put it to the nation about the savage charges the poor motorist was faced with year / year, the insurance people would come back and defend the charges by saying it was because of drink related road accident claims, and the circle of blame was now up and running. Factors other than drink driving that cause more road accidents are speeding, texting while driving, and searching for a mob. Name / number, along with other substances in the system.
Meanwhile back to 2018, the then Minister (effectively) introduced a zero-tolerance safe level of alcohol consumption, as in zero, there was no plan B at the ready, social living changed forever because of the zero tolerance, for the older folk in particular, Drugs is the scourge of our country, from one end of the year to the next we never hear minister for justice coming on to guarantee us that extra road checks are being rolled out to test drivers for substance driving, no but what might be said is extra road checks might be put in place to measure drink driving.
I don't condone drink driving however there's something about the whole thing that doesn't sit well, some sort of plan B needed badly. In one breath its said people are drinking less, young people in particular, and then its said we have a huge problem with alcohol in this country.
The problem is not too much alcohol being available, rather its too many of the wrong people available to drink it.
Merry Christmas. - Stay Safe.
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Replying To supersub15: "The death of the local pub took its last breath when the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport brought into law the amended drink driving limits in 2018, in fact a few months later another adjustment downwards was made, it literally meant that one glass of wine or one pint of larger not to mention a packet of wine gums could potentially put a driver over the limit.
Employers previously were continuously putting pressure on successive governments to help them "up" productivity ratings, this could be done by addressing absenteeism and lateness along with functionality in the workplace, alcohol related it was suggested.
For years we as drivers were continuously at loggerheads with our motor insurance providers complaining about the ever-increasing annual premiums we were shackled to, we still are by the way, coming up to general election time running TD's would put it to the nation about the savage charges the poor motorist was faced with year / year, the insurance people would come back and defend the charges by saying it was because of drink related road accident claims, and the circle of blame was now up and running. Factors other than drink driving that cause more road accidents are speeding, texting while driving, and searching for a mob. Name / number, along with other substances in the system.
Meanwhile back to 2018, the then Minister (effectively) introduced a zero-tolerance safe level of alcohol consumption, as in zero, there was no plan B at the ready, social living changed forever because of the zero tolerance, for the older folk in particular, Drugs is the scourge of our country, from one end of the year to the next we never hear minister for justice coming on to guarantee us that extra road checks are being rolled out to test drivers for substance driving, no but what might be said is extra road checks might be put in place to measure drink driving.
I don't condone drink driving however there's something about the whole thing that doesn't sit well, some sort of plan B needed badly. In one breath its said people are drinking less, young people in particular, and then its said we have a huge problem with alcohol in this country.
The problem is not too much alcohol being available, rather its too many of the wrong people available to drink it.
Merry Christmas. - Stay Safe." Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover.
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." And with the mobile phones, social media etc can arrange get together without going to a pub first.
In the old days you'd go to a pub and meet whoever was out and take it from there.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 16/12/2022 15:15:53
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Replying To Rolo2010: "I am living in reality unlike you who keeps shouting at the wind and demanding that Ireland rolls back the last 25 years. I know alcohol is a centre for a lot of people and that's not a good thing. We have huge problems with alcohol in this country." Yes alcohol causes problems. However there are far more use it responsible than abuse it. What's the answer ban it completely ? Probation ? Then move on to the pharmaceutical companies who are killing people promoting and selling legal drugs. Deny the people who need drugs to live. Move on to the automotive industry who build cars that can be driven at 200kph causing death when a simple computer speed control could be added setting a maximum speed on all cars. It is not about rolling back any thing 25 years. It is about what the pet subjects of who wants to control what and above all who has the power to do it and use their money to influence. I am sure the alcohol companies are as good as the rest when it comes to that also. Stats are a game that are constantly manipulated to support the point desired. Is alcohol any greater problem that a dozen others ? Not a promoter of it as I can take it or leave it. Mostly leave it.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/12/2022 15:16:14
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." I understand the point you are trying to make, - Question, what age category do you attach to young people.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 16/12/2022 15:18:05
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." Not sure about the MDMA scene in fairness but would you blame any young one for turning their nose up at the pub when some publicans in Dublin are charging nearly 6eur for a pint of Guinness? I'm finding it hard to justify it myself... god be with the days when 20eur would buy you 5 pints or even 6 depending on the pub.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 16/12/2022 18:52:57
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." Don't know much about it. Are they as dangerous and impaired driving as drunk drivers ? Causing as many deaths ? Or are they flying under cover of notice by the public. Or not the flavour of day yet for statisticians ? Like I said not knowledge or aware of the detailed cause and effect living in my cocoon.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/12/2022 18:56:37
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." Don't know much about it. Are they as dangerous and impaired driving as drunk drivers ? Causing as many deaths ? Or are they flying under cover of notice by the public. Or not the flavour of day yet for statisticians ? Like I said not knowledge or aware of the detailed cause and effect living in my cocoon.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 16/12/2022 19:05:46
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Replying To clare_sparrow: "Rubbish, the death of the pub is because young people prefer to consume MDMA for a fraction of the cost of drink and no hangover." pubs atarted to die in the late 80s /90s when investers and big business started to take over and run the licensed vintners association who kept putting the price up maintain their % profit on their investment , making sure it never dipped below the 33%
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 17/12/2022 10:13:23
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Replying To Square_B: "Not sure about the MDMA scene in fairness but would you blame any young one for turning their nose up at the pub when some publicans in Dublin are charging nearly 6eur for a pint of Guinness? I'm finding it hard to justify it myself... god be with the days when 20eur would buy you 5 pints or even 6 depending on the pub." Nearly 6 euro it's over 6 now for Heineken in Phil ryans and they bump up the price on match day
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 17/12/2022 10:39:31
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# clare_sparrow:
The most recent adjustments to the penalty point system has no doubt led to a national drop off in mid week drinking in pubs along with performance in the work place. In my own view price has little to do with it. Heineken sent out a memo to publicans a couple of weeks ago advising them that they intended to increase the price of larger by 16 cent per pint plus vat on all brands they distribute, the publican would then round it off to suit their own till, they decided to defer the increase for 6 months at the request of the appropriate government department.
If there was any fear that by increasing the cost of the pint of larger it would not have been mentioned by Heineken. The price of alcohol, larger in particular has sneaked up in most "busy" pubs since Aug, / Sept. Along with that wine is available at 6 euros a glass in some establishments but that too has sneaked up to 8 euros in selected pubs, in particular restaurants and hotels.
The focus on larger for the price increase is because larger is the most popular drink with young people, "young" people mostly don't even check their change, coins that is.
PS. I thought MDMA was a type of credit card. lol.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 17/12/2022 11:32:06
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Replying To Past hurler: "The modern rural generation of 18 to 30 year olds are not ones for sitting in a rural pub drinking pints anymore.
They are into their coffee, gym, cocktails bars, restaurants and weekends away.
The rural pub just doesn't cut it for them, not fashionable enough.
That's the reality." Nothing to do with fashion. A healthier lifestyle makes you happier, that's all there pretty much is to it.
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Replying To supersub15: "# clare_sparrow:
The most recent adjustments to the penalty point system has no doubt led to a national drop off in mid week drinking in pubs along with performance in the work place. In my own view price has little to do with it. Heineken sent out a memo to publicans a couple of weeks ago advising them that they intended to increase the price of larger by 16 cent per pint plus vat on all brands they distribute, the publican would then round it off to suit their own till, they decided to defer the increase for 6 months at the request of the appropriate government department.
If there was any fear that by increasing the cost of the pint of larger it would not have been mentioned by Heineken. The price of alcohol, larger in particular has sneaked up in most "busy" pubs since Aug, / Sept. Along with that wine is available at 6 euros a glass in some establishments but that too has sneaked up to 8 euros in selected pubs, in particular restaurants and hotels.
The focus on larger for the price increase is because larger is the most popular drink with young people, "young" people mostly don't even check their change, coins that is.
PS. I thought MDMA was a type of credit card. lol." I thought he played midfield for Dublin.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 543 - 17/12/2022 15:44:11
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Replying To midlands: "I thought he played midfield for Dublin." Post of year :-)
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 17/12/2022 16:30:51
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Replying To Canuck: "Yes alcohol causes problems. However there are far more use it responsible than abuse it. What's the answer ban it completely ? Probation ? Then move on to the pharmaceutical companies who are killing people promoting and selling legal drugs. Deny the people who need drugs to live. Move on to the automotive industry who build cars that can be driven at 200kph causing death when a simple computer speed control could be added setting a maximum speed on all cars. It is not about rolling back any thing 25 years. It is about what the pet subjects of who wants to control what and above all who has the power to do it and use their money to influence. I am sure the alcohol companies are as good as the rest when it comes to that also. Stats are a game that are constantly manipulated to support the point desired. Is alcohol any greater problem that a dozen others ? Not a promoter of it as I can take it or leave it. Mostly leave it." Where did I say we should ban alcohol. Quote me. I'll be waiting.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 17/12/2022 17:17:24
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Replying To supersub15: "# clare_sparrow:
The most recent adjustments to the penalty point system has no doubt led to a national drop off in mid week drinking in pubs along with performance in the work place. In my own view price has little to do with it. Heineken sent out a memo to publicans a couple of weeks ago advising them that they intended to increase the price of larger by 16 cent per pint plus vat on all brands they distribute, the publican would then round it off to suit their own till, they decided to defer the increase for 6 months at the request of the appropriate government department.
If there was any fear that by increasing the cost of the pint of larger it would not have been mentioned by Heineken. The price of alcohol, larger in particular has sneaked up in most "busy" pubs since Aug, / Sept. Along with that wine is available at 6 euros a glass in some establishments but that too has sneaked up to 8 euros in selected pubs, in particular restaurants and hotels.
The focus on larger for the price increase is because larger is the most popular drink with young people, "young" people mostly don't even check their change, coins that is.
PS. I thought MDMA was a type of credit card. lol." It's spelt lager.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 17/12/2022 17:18:51
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Replying To midlands: "I thought he played midfield for Dublin." He was dropped, they say it all went to his head.
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