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Parish Rule Fit For Purpose Anymore??

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There are some very good players " trapped " in clubs that are poorly organised and with no strategy . Is it right for them to play all their life and win zero because of where they live ?
Equally there are some clubs with minimal numbers who will never compete only manage to put out a team to keep the name alive despite zero hope of winning anything either .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 417 - 20/11/2022 21:18:25    2448251

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Replying To OpenStand:  "There are some very good players " trapped " in clubs that are poorly organised and with no strategy . Is it right for them to play all their life and win zero because of where they live ?
Equally there are some clubs with minimal numbers who will never compete only manage to put out a team to keep the name alive despite zero hope of winning anything either ."
Your question is one that goes right to the heart of how the ideals of the GAA are about local communities and pride of place, as well as sporting competition.

On the one hand, you can ask is it right that a top player could be "trapped" in a small and uncompetitive club. On the other hand, would it be right for a small club to be almost guaranteed that they'd lose their best player, just as they finally have someone to pin their hopes on?

If you introduced a "transfer to where you want, so you can play where you want" system, you'd probably end up with a stack of what would essentially be feeder clubs in each county, and a relatively small number of senior clubs hoovering up the best talent from all around them.

Again, it's happening to a certain degree already, as some people try find a way around the rules in order to get a "dodgy" transfer through. But opening it up for all and sundry to move wherever they want and whenever they want, just by filling out a few forms, would be an absolutely fundamental change.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 21/11/2022 09:27:09    2448268

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"Senior clubs hoovering up the best talent", that is happening in Westmeath where there is no parish rule. Here the 'rich' can rob the 'poor' with impunity. In that scenario the smaller clubs will be feeder clubs, similar to what happens across the water in soccer. Is this what we want ?

dbpcmi (Westmeath) - Posts: 64 - 21/11/2022 10:27:40    2448282

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Replying To dbpcmi:  ""Senior clubs hoovering up the best talent", that is happening in Westmeath where there is no parish rule. Here the 'rich' can rob the 'poor' with impunity. In that scenario the smaller clubs will be feeder clubs, similar to what happens across the water in soccer. Is this what we want ?"
I wouldn't want it myself, anyway. But seems others might. Then again, maybe they haven't properly thought through all of the consequences.

What I would consider is a provision for children to play for a club outside of where they live or go to school, if there's a strong family link in that other place. For example, somebody whose family is steeped in their local (rural) club ends up living in their nearest town instead of in their home parish. You could allow their children to play for the "home" club, instead of the club in the town where they're living and presumably going to school.

Or vice versa, if somebody from the town moves out to a country area that they've no other connection with. You could allow their children to play with the town team. Maybe something like that is behind the Tullamore proposal in Offaly....don't know enough about it myself to comment specifically on it. But what I can say is that any such rule would need to be very carefully worded, unless you really don't mind a free-for-all.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 21/11/2022 12:27:25    2448309

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The biggest problem the GAA currently faces is that the parish rule is not properly enforced. Dublin is a disgrace.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2530 - 21/11/2022 13:55:56    2448324

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I wouldn't want it myself, anyway. But seems others might. Then again, maybe they haven't properly thought through all of the consequences.

What I would consider is a provision for children to play for a club outside of where they live or go to school, if there's a strong family link in that other place. For example, somebody whose family is steeped in their local (rural) club ends up living in their nearest town instead of in their home parish. You could allow their children to play for the "home" club, instead of the club in the town where they're living and presumably going to school.

Or vice versa, if somebody from the town moves out to a country area that they've no other connection with. You could allow their children to play with the town team. Maybe something like that is behind the Tullamore proposal in Offaly....don't know enough about it myself to comment specifically on it. But what I can say is that any such rule would need to be very carefully worded, unless you really don't mind a free-for-all."
The problem with the above is that it is very subjective. Who is making the call? Do you need a letter from the school and a parish priest?!!

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 138 - 21/11/2022 14:29:16    2448326

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Replying To liam500:  "The problem with the above is that it is very subjective. Who is making the call? Do you need a letter from the school and a parish priest?!!"
Not subjective at all if it's worded properly and confined to the circumstances I suggest. A parent who can produce evidence that he/she was a member of a club for X number of years, and/or is still a member of that club, could have their child become a member of that club too.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 21/11/2022 15:08:45    2448331

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Not subjective at all if it's worded properly and confined to the circumstances I suggest. A parent who can produce evidence that he/she was a member of a club for X number of years, and/or is still a member of that club, could have their child become a member of that club too."
Seems logical enough

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6179 - 21/11/2022 15:23:25    2448336

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Replying To icehonesty:  "The biggest problem the GAA currently faces is that the parish rule is not properly enforced. Dublin is a disgrace."
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There is no 'parish rule' in Dublin.

You bring your child to whatever club you want. Works very well for us as a 'parish rule' wouldn't work at all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13519 - 21/11/2022 21:24:25    2448376

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GAA clubs were founded on the Parishs that the Catholic Church created, these parishs in that world are now moving to clusters of 3/4 parishs together. Many GAA underage set ups are amalgamating along similar lines already.
Maybe its a Cluster rule we need instead of the Parish rule going forward to create sustainable clubs .

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 22/11/2022 08:42:26    2448381

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Replying To hurler32:  "GAA clubs were founded on the Parishs that the Catholic Church created, these parishs in that world are now moving to clusters of 3/4 parishs together. Many GAA underage set ups are amalgamating along similar lines already.
Maybe its a Cluster rule we need instead of the Parish rule going forward to create sustainable clubs ."
Parish based was fine in a horse and trap era when people seldom travelled more than a few miles from home.
In these more mobile and more urbanised and secularised days its becoming a historical anachronistic feature.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 512 - 22/11/2022 12:04:29    2448402

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Replying To hurler32:  "GAA clubs were founded on the Parishs that the Catholic Church created, these parishs in that world are now moving to clusters of 3/4 parishs together. Many GAA underage set ups are amalgamating along similar lines already.
Maybe its a Cluster rule we need instead of the Parish rule going forward to create sustainable clubs ."
A cluster rule - not a bad shout. Thats a bit like how Kerry arrange their Senior Championship. It works for them - could it work in other counties too?

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 216 - 22/11/2022 12:36:29    2448406

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Replying To OpenStand:  "There are some very good players " trapped " in clubs that are poorly organised and with no strategy . Is it right for them to play all their life and win zero because of where they live ?
Equally there are some clubs with minimal numbers who will never compete only manage to put out a team to keep the name alive despite zero hope of winning anything either ."
I hear you but there is the flip side of that. The little club who nurtured the kid and brought him through to the table with their resources. Maybe the reason they are struggling is because the big club has a policy of poaching. I have heard of building sites etc. on offer if you move. At the end of the day it is difficult to take away the right of the player to play where he wishes. He is not getting paid. Or not in most instances but who knows when someone else wants him. Like I said before the vast majority are extremely loyal to their parish and club. I was from a junior club that at least six would have made it to any senior team but to this day as old men they have no regrets if you ask them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2319 - 22/11/2022 14:48:15    2448433

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The Cahalanes in Cork play senior hurling for the Barr's in Cork city,their local club,and senior football for Castlehaven in West Cork,their Dad's club.

In Cork it's legal to play for your father's club even if you reside in another parish.

Thing is,the Barr's play senior football too.

And I honestly believe that if the Cahalanes played senior football with the Barr's last season they'd have won the AI Club SFC 'cos the Barr's weren't far off Kilcoo in the AI Club semifinal.

Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 74 - 25/11/2022 12:59:28    2448692

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Replying To Moyle:  "The Cahalanes in Cork play senior hurling for the Barr's in Cork city,their local club,and senior football for Castlehaven in West Cork,their Dad's club.

In Cork it's legal to play for your father's club even if you reside in another parish.

Thing is,the Barr's play senior football too.

And I honestly believe that if the Cahalanes played senior football with the Barr's last season they'd have won the AI Club SFC 'cos the Barr's weren't far off Kilcoo in the AI Club semifinal."
That whole thing is ironic, as the Barrs, the Glen and the Rockies poached everything from neighbouring smaller clubs in Cork for decades.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3808 - 25/11/2022 21:43:03    2448739

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