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Status quo agreed last night. 2 groups of 6 with hurling 1st. Not a surprising result. Probably the best on balance with 12 team tiers. Glad they are introducing League promotion and relegation and semi finals. Hopefully this will make it a little more meaningful.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6179 - 23/11/2022 09:20:46    2448479

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Best of luck to Fethard and Adamstown at the weekend, will be a vey tough ask of both, especially Fethard with Dunshaughlin being a step ahead of most in the grade. It's a game of football though and on home turf Fethard won't lie down easily.

I see the Championship Format is going to remain unchanged, hurling firth then football. In the grand scheme of things is probably best, as hurling is more of a summer sport than football. One must feel for the football only camp though as it is a long year to wait for 5-8 games in a similar amount of weeks. Maybe more this year as replays are coming into effect! God help the over 30's!!!

rossytilidie (Wexford) - Posts: 281 - 23/11/2022 09:20:47    2448480

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To be honest not surprised that the alternative block didnt get through. All players with dual clubs as far as in our own club and speaking to a few others preferred the split season as last year. As far as i can make out, those calling for alternative were the majority of clubs who play just one code, same on twitter this morning, people tweeting are those belonging to a club with just one code, football or hurling.

From a spectator point of view, obviously alternative weekends suit best but when it came down to it, clubs voted what suited them best.

I believe there was only two votes between if hurling or football went first which I thought was interesting.

Its great that the leagues are now promotion-relegation but I could see some dual clubs not entering football teams as once the league is finished, you dont play football again for 9 weeks.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 303 - 23/11/2022 10:18:39    2448489

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The Twitter people are starting to wake up and moan this morning about the championship .. and "why weren't the players consulted" when in fact every club brought it to their members .. put in their proposals and had a chance to vote last night on the motions.

The alternative block motion with football first was narrowly defeated - The split season with football first got no momentum at all and split season with hurling first got big majority.

Is it ideal? .. no .. is there a better solution .. I don't know .. But the split season suits majority of dual clubs as they can fully concentrate on one sport.

The Leagues introducing promotion / relegation was passed but again will it add any value - I do think the leagues are on a geographical phase in 2023 as opposed to playing opposite teams in your championship group.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 92 - 23/11/2022 10:19:57    2448491

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Am a club officer and was at the meeting myself last night. The vote was very tight all right, but a couple of slight inaccuracies in posts above about it went.

The way they worked it was the merged proposal for alternate blocks was the first one put to the floor. Result was 28 for, and 29 against. It was then put a second time, to allow for a recount. Result this time was 28 for, 30 against. Unclear if one vote wasn't counted the first time, or if somebody abstained first and then voted against, but either way, motion was still defeated.

Next up was the Ballyhogue proposal of split season with football first. Received only minimal support.

Kilanerin proposal for a slight variation on the alternate blocks also received only minimal support.

So, as all alternatives were voted down, the status quo remains.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 23/11/2022 10:43:21    2448493

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "To be honest not surprised that the alternative block didnt get through. All players with dual clubs as far as in our own club and speaking to a few others preferred the split season as last year. As far as i can make out, those calling for alternative were the majority of clubs who play just one code, same on twitter this morning, people tweeting are those belonging to a club with just one code, football or hurling.

From a spectator point of view, obviously alternative weekends suit best but when it came down to it, clubs voted what suited them best.

I believe there was only two votes between if hurling or football went first which I thought was interesting.

Its great that the leagues are now promotion-relegation but I could see some dual clubs not entering football teams as once the league is finished, you dont play football again for 9 weeks."
no that is incorrect - the main vote was for the CCC reccommendation on alterntive block .. That is where the two votes difference were to pass the motion or defeat the motion .. Once it was defeated they moved to the other motions .. the second motion was same format as 2022 but football first which was big defeat .. third motion was a small change to the first motion .. alternative blocks up to Q/F and then finish each code but was defeated .. fourth motion was same format as 2022 with hurling first .. majority voted to pass this one

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 92 - 23/11/2022 10:46:32    2448494

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One thing that was approved last night and that I predict will lead to uproar if or when it happens is that championship knock-out games should go to a replay if still level after extra time on the first day, rather than proceeding to penalties.

Clubs were warned this would most likely mean the replay would have to be midweek, with the winners out again in their next game just three or four days after the replay. They still voted in favour of it, on the grounds that it would be better than penalties.

That's all well and good now, but wait until it happens. You could draw a county semi-final on a Sunday afternoon, have to play the replay on the Wednesday evening, and then line out in a county final the following Sunday. There'd be uproar about how unfair it is and "why are the County Board making clubs do this", with people not realising it's the clubs themselves who have now said they want it that way.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 23/11/2022 10:50:19    2448495

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "One thing that was approved last night and that I predict will lead to uproar if or when it happens is that championship knock-out games should go to a replay if still level after extra time on the first day, rather than proceeding to penalties.

Clubs were warned this would most likely mean the replay would have to be midweek, with the winners out again in their next game just three or four days after the replay. They still voted in favour of it, on the grounds that it would be better than penalties.

That's all well and good now, but wait until it happens. You could draw a county semi-final on a Sunday afternoon, have to play the replay on the Wednesday evening, and then line out in a county final the following Sunday. There'd be uproar about how unfair it is and "why are the County Board making clubs do this", with people not realising it's the clubs themselves who have now said they want it that way."
My taughts exactly on this, remember in 1 of the Sharkys Chipper chats during the year panel were mentioning having break weekends after group stages I was just thinking where are we magically going to get these weekends from. there was 17 weekends in a row of activity this year when you consider some intermediate and junior championship games were on the weekend prior to the senior championship starting midweek and the rest weekend between hurling and football actually had the junior final replay between davidstown and glynn, despite all this the football winners had to play in leinster 7 days after their county finals.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 237 - 23/11/2022 11:13:52    2448496

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Replying To Viking66:  "Status quo agreed last night. 2 groups of 6 with hurling 1st. Not a surprising result. Probably the best on balance with 12 team tiers. Glad they are introducing League promotion and relegation and semi finals. Hopefully this will make it a little more meaningful."
Personally, my preference was alternate weekends of some variety but not to upset with this, football 1st would have been the been the worst option as I could have seen the championship been railroaded with some teams still training for and playing challenge games for hurling during that championship.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 237 - 23/11/2022 11:17:29    2448499

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "no that is incorrect - the main vote was for the CCC reccommendation on alterntive block .. That is where the two votes difference were to pass the motion or defeat the motion .. Once it was defeated they moved to the other motions .. the second motion was same format as 2022 but football first which was big defeat .. third motion was a small change to the first motion .. alternative blocks up to Q/F and then finish each code but was defeated .. fourth motion was same format as 2022 with hurling first .. majority voted to pass this one"
And just to correct another slight inaccuracy here...the proposal for alternative blocks wasn't a recommendation by the CCC. Instead, what the motion said was "that the recommendation to the CCC" be for alternative blocks.

I think the notion that it was the preference of Co. Board management committee and/or CCC stemmed from how management put that proposal together. But they were just doing that to faciliate a merger of seven different (but broadly similar) proposals from seven different clubs, rather than having to vote on all seven of them separately. They weren't actually pushing for it themselves.

Was very noticeable last night that the top table (i.e. management committee) had a free vote on it,, rather than all voting the one way. They were split pretty much down the middle too. I think it was six in favour of blocks and seven in favour of hurling first, but there was just one vote in it there anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 23/11/2022 11:23:15    2448500

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "One thing that was approved last night and that I predict will lead to uproar if or when it happens is that championship knock-out games should go to a replay if still level after extra time on the first day, rather than proceeding to penalties.

Clubs were warned this would most likely mean the replay would have to be midweek, with the winners out again in their next game just three or four days after the replay. They still voted in favour of it, on the grounds that it would be better than penalties.

That's all well and good now, but wait until it happens. You could draw a county semi-final on a Sunday afternoon, have to play the replay on the Wednesday evening, and then line out in a county final the following Sunday. There'd be uproar about how unfair it is and "why are the County Board making clubs do this", with people not realising it's the clubs themselves who have now said they want it that way."
And it most definitely will happen at least once somewhere along the way.

While I agree that the split season is the best system, and what code goes first makes no difference to me, it seems a bit counter-productive to potentially add at least one extra game to a club's schedule with the replay proviso, in what is an already watertight timeframe.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1262 - 23/11/2022 11:40:25    2448504

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Replying To beano:  "And it most definitely will happen at least once somewhere along the way.

While I agree that the split season is the best system, and what code goes first makes no difference to me, it seems a bit counter-productive to potentially add at least one extra game to a club's schedule with the replay proviso, in what is an already watertight timeframe."
And for the record, this wasn't a close vote. It was so one-sided that there wasn't even a need for a count.

Most of the management seemed to stay out of it - I presume to leave the decision to the clubs themselves. And I'd say at least 80% of the clubs voted in favour, maybe more.

As I said, strong chance that people in some club affected by it next year will be complaining about how "unfair" it is, not realising they're more than likely one of the clubs who voted for it in the first place....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 23/11/2022 12:46:30    2448512

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "My taughts exactly on this, remember in 1 of the Sharkys Chipper chats during the year panel were mentioning having break weekends after group stages I was just thinking where are we magically going to get these weekends from. there was 17 weekends in a row of activity this year when you consider some intermediate and junior championship games were on the weekend prior to the senior championship starting midweek and the rest weekend between hurling and football actually had the junior final replay between davidstown and glynn, despite all this the football winners had to play in leinster 7 days after their county finals."
Just to add to this if we had beaten Clare in Thurles that would have been another 2 weekends shaved off the club championship window.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 237 - 23/11/2022 12:48:17    2448513

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Replying To beano:  "And it most definitely will happen at least once somewhere along the way.

While I agree that the split season is the best system, and what code goes first makes no difference to me, it seems a bit counter-productive to potentially add at least one extra game to a club's schedule with the replay proviso, in what is an already watertight timeframe."
Yes was very surprised that this got through - but look the alternative was penalties .. I honestly think I would prefer as a player to get a reply on a Tue/Wed night than have to go to penalties.

There was a very small mention of the the Age proposal that will go to Convention .. It is a tricky one and I think it will be very evenly split .. The issue isn't really the age thing returning to U12-U18 but the decoupling of U18 from Adult. Lots of the smaller clubs worried that it will affect their numbers.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 92 - 23/11/2022 12:53:30    2448514

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Hopefully by the sounds of above including replays that the Leinster Club championship can be pushed back a few weeks

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 303 - 23/11/2022 13:35:30    2448521

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Replying To rossytilidie:  "Best of luck to Fethard and Adamstown at the weekend, will be a vey tough ask of both, especially Fethard with Dunshaughlin being a step ahead of most in the grade. It's a game of football though and on home turf Fethard won't lie down easily.

I see the Championship Format is going to remain unchanged, hurling firth then football. In the grand scheme of things is probably best, as hurling is more of a summer sport than football. One must feel for the football only camp though as it is a long year to wait for 5-8 games in a similar amount of weeks. Maybe more this year as replays are coming into effect! God help the over 30's!!!"
"Hurling is more of a summer sport than football"

A phrase that really gets under my skin. By no means am I disagreeing that it isn't a faster game than football in general and yes, it's objectively more enjoyable to play and watch when the weather is good but what field sport isn't better during the summer when the weather is at its finest?

cheeseballlyons (Wexford) - Posts: 3 - 23/11/2022 13:58:45    2448527

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Just to add to this if we had beaten Clare in Thurles that would have been another 2 weekends shaved off the club championship window."
This is true, and often overlooked.

Same thing will apply next year. And if by some chance Wexford happen to make an All-Ireland hurling final (and surely we all hope they do!), then we'd potentially be left with as little as 12 weeks to play 16 rounds of club championships.

But look on the bright side....at least lads would be used to playing at the weekend, midweek, and then the weekend again, before heading into one of those replays we were talking about....! :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1225 - 23/11/2022 14:37:04    2448533

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "This is true, and often overlooked.

Same thing will apply next year. And if by some chance Wexford happen to make an All-Ireland hurling final (and surely we all hope they do!), then we'd potentially be left with as little as 12 weeks to play 16 rounds of club championships.

But look on the bright side....at least lads would be used to playing at the weekend, midweek, and then the weekend again, before heading into one of those replays we were talking about....! :)"
I'd say if we got to an AI Final, and especially if we won it, all the players I know who are still playing would gladly play 3 times a week!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6179 - 23/11/2022 14:52:13    2448534

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Hopefully by the sounds of above including replays that the Leinster Club championship can be pushed back a few weeks"
Putting Leinster's start date back to the first weekend of November would make so much more sense......

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1262 - 23/11/2022 17:25:51    2448552

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "One thing that was approved last night and that I predict will lead to uproar if or when it happens is that championship knock-out games should go to a replay if still level after extra time on the first day, rather than proceeding to penalties.

Clubs were warned this would most likely mean the replay would have to be midweek, with the winners out again in their next game just three or four days after the replay. They still voted in favour of it, on the grounds that it would be better than penalties.

That's all well and good now, but wait until it happens. You could draw a county semi-final on a Sunday afternoon, have to play the replay on the Wednesday evening, and then line out in a county final the following Sunday. There'd be uproar about how unfair it is and "why are the County Board making clubs do this", with people not realising it's the clubs themselves who have now said they want it that way."
This is a decision powered by money at the gates for replays.
A lunacy decision. Whoever on CCC came up with this should be brought in front of the CCC and handed a 96 week ban.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1536 - 24/11/2022 11:24:59    2448590

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