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Replying To zinny:  "I would go for giving the winning team two home games in the Championship.
I don't buy into your country story either. The county panels are fairly well spread over clubs. The league should be used by the clubs to develop players when their stars are away. If excuses are constantly made for clubs like you are doing, nothing will change and clubs won't take the league seriously. That will have a knock effect of the development of players. Time for clubs to stop the whinging and get on with it."
As I suggested in a previous post giving the winners of the league the gate money from their opening round of the championship would be far better than home advantage. IE if Castletown win the league the gate money from their first round championship match should be given all to them. Could be a handy 2-3000 euro for a club

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 08/03/2023 14:22:15    2462775

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "You didn't mention soccer in your earlier post - you just referred to "the biggest social weekend of the year", which I took to mean a night or two out, and the beer that goes with it. And you still seem to be referring to that, with talk of "expecting lads to put their life on hold". Are you really maintaining that club matches shouldn't be fixed for Sunday afternoons at this time of year, in case club players want to go get bladdered on Saturday nights?

As for soccer - yes, it's a factor for some players all right, but you could say the same about any Sunday at this time of year. And call me a dinosaur if you like, but I've never believed and never will believe that GAA fixtures should revolve around what another sport is doing, unless that other sports thing is some massive event of national interest. If somebody chooses to play two sports, then they'll have to make other choices related to that sooner or later.

Finally, biggest St. Patrick's Day parade in the county (Wexford town) is always held in the morning, at something like 10.30 or 11 a.m. Same with Bunclody, and some of the other smaller ones too. It's not all as clearcut as you seem to think."
On your 2nd paragraph I think you should do best for the players involved, if it suits all parties best to play the game on Sunday do, if it doesn't then switch it, not switching games out of pure stubbornness would be very daft and narrow minded in my view, from my personal experience of playing both growing up their are plenty of GAA people involved in soccer clubs and vice versa. Punishing someone for playing 2 sports is silly should do best to facilitate them and reality is in most cases if there's a clash GAA is the priority.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/03/2023 14:22:16    2462776

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Replying To zinny:  "I would go for giving the winning team two home games in the Championship.
I don't buy into your country story either. The county panels are fairly well spread over clubs. The league should be used by the clubs to develop players when their stars are away. If excuses are constantly made for clubs like you are doing, nothing will change and clubs won't take the league seriously. That will have a knock effect of the development of players. Time for clubs to stop the whinging and get on with it."
By the way, I strongly refute that I'm making excuses for clubs, like you allege.

I happen to 100% agree that all clubs should enter the league and take it far more seriously than they do now, as an opportunity to give as much game time as possible to as many players as possible.

But what I am doing is pointing out what would be the inherent unfairness of a system that would result in a disadvantage in the championship for strong clubs who supply large numbers of players to the inter-county scene. And I'll continue to stand over that.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 08/03/2023 14:42:50    2462786

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Just on the soccer point I know the schedule with the lads on my club is play both while county league GAA is on, there is no soccer June,July, August so if the hurling championship is on last weekend of June to mid August like last there is no clash, during football championship they focus solely on GAA even though soccer season has started and return to soccer after the football commitments are finished, so in that example it's only really county league games where leeway is required around fixtures

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/03/2023 15:00:42    2462792

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "As I suggested in a previous post giving the winners of the league the gate money from their opening round of the championship would be far better than home advantage. IE if Castletown win the league the gate money from their first round championship match should be given all to them. Could be a handy 2-3000 euro for a club"
That's a good suggestion, getting a reward that doesn't punish others I think is the way to go.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/03/2023 15:19:43    2462800

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "As I suggested in a previous post giving the winners of the league the gate money from their opening round of the championship would be far better than home advantage. IE if Castletown win the league the gate money from their first round championship match should be given all to them. Could be a handy 2-3000 euro for a club"
Back to the thing of generally speaking, players not really caring about general clubs funds, so long as their own needs are looked after - which they generally are anyway, thanks to the fundraising efforts of others. Are they really going to bust an extra gut for the league for a one in twelve chance of other club members not having to sell as many tickets at some other time of year?

Also, no gate money for the opening rounds of the Junior or Junior 'A' championships, so what do you there for the corresponding league divisions?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 08/03/2023 15:37:21    2462811

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "On your 2nd paragraph I think you should do best for the players involved, if it suits all parties best to play the game on Sunday do, if it doesn't then switch it, not switching games out of pure stubbornness would be very daft and narrow minded in my view, from my personal experience of playing both growing up their are plenty of GAA people involved in soccer clubs and vice versa. Punishing someone for playing 2 sports is silly should do best to facilitate them and reality is in most cases if there's a clash GAA is the priority."
If you want to talk stubbornness....

Many of the soccer matches in the lower divisions of the Wexford League are fixed for 1 p.m. or 1.30 p.m. on Sundays. Say the local GAA club has a league match fixed for the same afternoon, and there are some players who want to line out in both.

The GAA club can get their match changed, if the other club agrees. But the soccer club hasn't a hope in hell of changing theirs.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 08/03/2023 15:42:34    2462814

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "If you want to talk stubbornness....

Many of the soccer matches in the lower divisions of the Wexford League are fixed for 1 p.m. or 1.30 p.m. on Sundays. Say the local GAA club has a league match fixed for the same afternoon, and there are some players who want to line out in both.

The GAA club can get their match changed, if the other club agrees. But the soccer club hasn't a hope in hell of changing theirs."
In fairness to the best of my knowledge there's only 3 floodlit adult soccer pitches in Wexford. Ferrycarrig Park, Wexford CBS which is used a bit by clubs nearby and I think there's 1 in Gorey, that rules out evening games until the clocks switch where as there's hurling games tomorrow night, Friday night and Monday night on the fixtures released today. If Sunday is filled by soccer a GAA club with floodlights still has 6 days to schedule their fixture appropriately.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/03/2023 16:04:23    2462824

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "As I suggested in a previous post giving the winners of the league the gate money from their opening round of the championship would be far better than home advantage. IE if Castletown win the league the gate money from their first round championship match should be given all to them. Could be a handy 2-3000 euro for a club"
That's not a bad idea at all actually.

Someone said earlier about splitting the league section into hurling first and football second (or vice versa depending on what's first in the championship) could be workable too. Gives a more defined 'off-season' too.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1455 - 08/03/2023 16:08:59    2462827

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "In fairness to the best of my knowledge there's only 3 floodlit adult soccer pitches in Wexford. Ferrycarrig Park, Wexford CBS which is used a bit by clubs nearby and I think there's 1 in Gorey, that rules out evening games until the clocks switch where as there's hurling games tomorrow night, Friday night and Monday night on the fixtures released today. If Sunday is filled by soccer a GAA club with floodlights still has 6 days to schedule their fixture appropriately."
Yes, but fact remains that any GAA club with a Sunday fixture in the All County Leagues could get their match brought forward to the Saturday afternoon, if the other club agrees, and they regularly do.

Not a single soccer club with a Sunday fixture in the Wexford & District League could do the same.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 08/03/2023 16:55:25    2462844

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "By the way, I strongly refute that I'm making excuses for clubs, like you allege.

I happen to 100% agree that all clubs should enter the league and take it far more seriously than they do now, as an opportunity to give as much game time as possible to as many players as possible.

But what I am doing is pointing out what would be the inherent unfairness of a system that would result in a disadvantage in the championship for strong clubs who supply large numbers of players to the inter-county scene. And I'll continue to stand over that."
Is it not also in a teams best interst to have a competitive league so they get to see their younger players who perhaps played u20 last year in action? I would argue they would gain more from it than anything that they might lose by playing a team at home in the championship - remember I said two home games, so two teams out of 11 would be impacted. If I were Castletown I would take those odds all day.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 10/03/2023 16:55:13    2463260

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I see the recent fashion for games conceded in this years football league has continued unabated anyway.

Im presuming Fethard have oficially pulled out at this stage (2nd senior club to do so who dont see the value of playing football this time of the year when championship doesnt start for 6 months)

Coupled with postponed games its not exactly great reading for Wexford club football.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 21/03/2023 10:14:27    2465414

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Replying To tearintom:  "I see the recent fashion for games conceded in this years football league has continued unabated anyway.

Im presuming Fethard have oficially pulled out at this stage (2nd senior club to do so who dont see the value of playing football this time of the year when championship doesnt start for 6 months)

Coupled with postponed games its not exactly great reading for Wexford club football."
Fethard have given walkovers in hurling too, I presumed it was to do with maybe them going back training late after their season going into early January. Think they've lads going travelling too.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/03/2023 10:41:45    2465420

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Very bad weekend for Wexford town football teams, st martins beat the Mary's easy, Vols well beaten too, SARS and Josephs had to give walkovers,

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 21/03/2023 12:48:23    2465465

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Very bad weekend for Wexford town football teams, st martins beat the Mary's easy, Vols well beaten too, SARS and Josephs had to give walkovers,"
Sars juniors gave walkover, there seniors played annes

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 219 - 22/03/2023 08:28:53    2465655

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Replying To lefty:  "Sars juniors gave walkover, there seniors played annes"
Ya sorry my mistake

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 22/03/2023 17:31:33    2465886

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Very little interest in football league by most teams can't blame them when nothing championship competitive for nearly 6months .
Very few back training or putting any effort in . Lads with co teams adult and u20 not available . Leaving cert students and college exams lads not putting themselves forward for their clubs. It ll only get worse maybe bunclody had the right idea after all

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 23/03/2023 19:52:07    2466110

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Here's one to consider. Bearing in mind that the Hurling League doesn't appear to be having the same issues, might it be the case that's what happening now mirrors what may well happen if the championships do sometime go back to a one week hurling, one week football basis?

i.e. majority of players are more committed and more interested in hurling, and that remains their focus even in weeks when there's a football match on?

In championship time, this manifests itself by them continuing to train mainly for hurling, even in weeks of a football match. In league time, it's even worse, as they don't commit to football at all.

As I said, just throwing it out there for consideration.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 24/03/2023 11:24:11    2466185

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Here's one to consider. Bearing in mind that the Hurling League doesn't appear to be having the same issues, might it be the case that's what happening now mirrors what may well happen if the championships do sometime go back to a one week hurling, one week football basis?

i.e. majority of players are more committed and more interested in hurling, and that remains their focus even in weeks when there's a football match on?

In championship time, this manifests itself by them continuing to train mainly for hurling, even in weeks of a football match. In league time, it's even worse, as they don't commit to football at all.

As I said, just throwing it out there for consideration....."
Nail. Head. Pikeman

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13867 - 24/03/2023 12:23:05    2466219

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Here's one to consider. Bearing in mind that the Hurling League doesn't appear to be having the same issues, might it be the case that's what happening now mirrors what may well happen if the championships do sometime go back to a one week hurling, one week football basis?

i.e. majority of players are more committed and more interested in hurling, and that remains their focus even in weeks when there's a football match on?

In championship time, this manifests itself by them continuing to train mainly for hurling, even in weeks of a football match. In league time, it's even worse, as they don't commit to football at all.

As I said, just throwing it out there for consideration....."
Eh no.

Only in wexford could we put a 6 month gap between football league and football championship compared to c 2months for hurling and reach your conclusion above!

Put in a club calendar structure where Clubs have now decided to only play football for 6 weeks of the eyar and decide it would be worse if we tried something else that practically every other county does.

Ive spoken to 4 different club chairmen whos club decided to not play league football for the first time ever and all 4 cited the gap between league and championship, 3 actually said depending on how the hurling goes they may also pull out of championship.

But hey, its only football after all.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 24/03/2023 12:37:58    2466229

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