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I really have no interest in the All-Stars despite having a great respect for the Limerick players and indeed the other players. It again shows the meaningless of the national league and why it needs to be scraped. I am not saying Waterford or Cork should have anyone selected but it says something about the second supposedly important competition. The Joe McDonagh and other cups. It is a flawed useless process. If this is the goal call it the provincial and McCarthy cup All-Star and quit the charade. Incidentally I felt the same about it when we had players selected. More harm than good because it can go to some of their heads. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2899 - 29/10/2022 15:07:44 2445872 Link
Replying To Shocs07: "Ya still interesting to see who gets the nod. Don't know much about the football but the hurling all stars were pretty fair. Its strange how Kilkenny only got one more than Clare even though they walloped them. Saying that, all 3 Clare lads were well deserved with a case for Ryan Taylor's inclusion too. On paper serious All star team" Thought Ryan Taylor was excellent in the MF and after a slow start really came good against us also. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 29/10/2022 16:07:56 2445883 Link
Replying To MayoDan: "Whether playing in the full back line is Keegan's best position is a separate argument. I think you need to rewatch that goal. Comer got the ball and tried to take Keegan on but turned back because he couldn't! Comer then played a hand pass over in front of the goal. Mayo should have cut the pass out but didn't. Comer only got one point from play that day off Keegan. Keegan also scored a point himself. In fairness Comer did good work around the middle third winning ball and starting attacks, but you can't say he skinned Keegan!" Re watched the goal. Fair point point Keegan actually turned him back. Not much more he could do really. Class hand pass by Comer for Heaney though. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 29/10/2022 16:45:53 2445887 Link
Joseph Cooney should've got an all star, he's been desperately unlucky not to get at least one down the last 5/6 years. Great hurler, was outstanding all year. Excellent at 6 against Cork and Limerick too when he went back there. Don't understand how he doesn't have one. Scored an outrageous amount of scores this year too. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 29/10/2022 18:32:54 2445897 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I really have no interest in the All-Stars despite having a great respect for the Limerick players and indeed the other players. It again shows the meaningless of the national league and why it needs to be scraped. I am not saying Waterford or Cork should have anyone selected but it says something about the second supposedly important competition. The Joe McDonagh and other cups. It is a flawed useless process. If this is the goal call it the provincial and McCarthy cup All-Star and quit the charade. Incidentally I felt the same about it when we had players selected. More harm than good because it can go to some of their heads." Where does it say it has anything to do with the league? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 29/10/2022 20:09:28 2445907 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Where does it say it has anything to do with the league?" I really dont know what you are trying to say. Or am I missing something ? Was the All stars set up stating exclude recognition of performances in the leagues. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2899 - 29/10/2022 21:04:24 2445912 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I really dont know what you are trying to say. Or am I missing something ? Was the All stars set up stating exclude recognition of performances in the leagues." You seem to think that the All Stars take league form into account despite it not suggesting that anywhere. Also you said you don't care about the All Stars so why are you getting upset over them? Had Waterford not won the league would you be as worried? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 29/10/2022 21:51:47 2445919 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Where does it say it has anything to do with the league?" Canuck and One-off, both of you are somewhat correct in your assessment of things All-Star. In the inaugural team in 1971, you had 7 counties represented: the victors Tipp with 4, as did runners-up KK. Cork had 2, even though they never even made the Munster Final. Limerick who did make the final had two also. Then, Galway, Dublin, and Offaly had one representative each. It wasn't as if any of these 3 counties were in the limelight in 1971. I believe that the original intention of the AS was to make it represent the overall state of the best players in the game. However, nowhere from what I've searched anyway, has that intention ever been written down. Hence, your debate. Over time, the AS selection evolved (I rather say 'devolved') into what we have today: only players from the final 4 teams being selected. I'd not be a fan of that. What's a better system, though? For example, there's a Purcell fella who plays around the middle of the field for Laois. From what I see, he's 9 out of 10 every day he togs out. While Clifford and Walsh were both sublime in the AI final (and other games, too), the most enjoyable and best individual display all year came from Ultan Harney against Galway in the Connacht final, imho. That man fought with heart and hand. He carried Roscommon on his back. Yet, neither Purcell nor Harney came anywhere near being nominated. It's a very flawed system. However, like the opposition in parliament, it's easy for me to point out what's wrong, but it's another matter for my providing a fix. I don't really have one! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2107 - 30/10/2022 10:08:20 2445927 Link
Replying To oneoff: "You seem to think that the All Stars take league form into account despite it not suggesting that anywhere. Also you said you don't care about the All Stars so why are you getting upset over them? Had Waterford not won the league would you be as worried?" The GAA GPA All Stars Awards are awarded to best player in each of the 15 playing positions for that year. The year begins on January 1st. Show me anywhere it says different, or that these awards are for Championships only. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2662 - 30/10/2022 10:23:05 2445929 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "Canuck and One-off, both of you are somewhat correct in your assessment of things All-Star. In the inaugural team in 1971, you had 7 counties represented: the victors Tipp with 4, as did runners-up KK. Cork had 2, even though they never even made the Munster Final. Limerick who did make the final had two also. Then, Galway, Dublin, and Offaly had one representative each. It wasn't as if any of these 3 counties were in the limelight in 1971. I believe that the original intention of the AS was to make it represent the overall state of the best players in the game. However, nowhere from what I've searched anyway, has that intention ever been written down. Hence, your debate. Over time, the AS selection evolved (I rather say 'devolved') into what we have today: only players from the final 4 teams being selected. I'd not be a fan of that. What's a better system, though? For example, there's a Purcell fella who plays around the middle of the field for Laois. From what I see, he's 9 out of 10 every day he togs out. While Clifford and Walsh were both sublime in the AI final (and other games, too), the most enjoyable and best individual display all year came from Ultan Harney against Galway in the Connacht final, imho. That man fought with heart and hand. He carried Roscommon on his back. Yet, neither Purcell nor Harney came anywhere near being nominated. It's a very flawed system. However, like the opposition in parliament, it's easy for me to point out what's wrong, but it's another matter for my providing a fix. I don't really have one!" There was I think an unwritten rule wherr the league winners had to get at least one All-Star. Not sure when that stopped. Since the awards started things have changed hugely with more games etc yet the All-Stars haven't. Limiting it to just 15 and having players win one in a position they'd never actually played in is something that needs to be changed. Having more than 15 is probably needed as players who have had a good year will be rewarded for it. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 30/10/2022 10:42:08 2445931 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "The GAA GPA All Stars Awards are awarded to best player in each of the 15 playing positions for that year. The year begins on January 1st. Show me anywhere it says different, or that these awards are for Championships only." Shows anywhere it says different? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 30/10/2022 11:09:03 2445935 Link
Joe Cooney was a glaring omission from a Galway viewpoint. Clare getting 3, after soiling themselves v Kk, would be my big questionmark. Looking at Sheedy and Dalo 'in the parlour' at the all-stars, the munster final '22 HYPE won't die away anytime soon. Hegarty and Kelly memory of the year was going from the bus to the dressingrooms that day!!!!! Any wonder the hype surrounding this game escalated way out of reality, and remarkably hasn't been historically reassessed after Clare's 'no show' at the all-ireland semi final. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3906 - 30/10/2022 11:12:50 2445936 Link
Tony Kelly was a no show in quarter and semi finals. Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 30/10/2022 13:10:35 2445944 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Joe Cooney was a glaring omission from a Galway viewpoint. Clare getting 3, after soiling themselves v Kk, would be my big questionmark. Looking at Sheedy and Dalo 'in the parlour' at the all-stars, the munster final '22 HYPE won't die away anytime soon. Hegarty and Kelly memory of the year was going from the bus to the dressingrooms that day!!!!! Any wonder the hype surrounding this game escalated way out of reality, and remarkably hasn't been historically reassessed after Clare's 'no show' at the all-ireland semi final." He deserved it more than O'Donnell but media have a love in for the Clareman updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 30/10/2022 13:18:00 2445945 Link
Replying To oneoff: "You seem to think that the All Stars take league form into account despite it not suggesting that anywhere. Also you said you don't care about the All Stars so why are you getting upset over them? Had Waterford not won the league would you be as worried?" Number one I am not a bit upset or worried and definitlely not because Waterford did not get anyone named. In fact if I was using the critera now used but not stated offically, none would be merited. Neither is it about those players who are selected but of the ones not considered anymore. My opinion and everyone is entitled to an alternative one, is about the merit of the system that is used to select. Let me educuate you a little bit about how it used to work by giving you one of many examples. When the league was 1A and 1B JIm Greene of Waterford won an All-Star playing in 1B. He was the leading scorer in all divisions that year and I assume it was in recognition of that. I also imagin it was because the championship was knockout at the time. Fair enough but why not call it the McCarthy Cup All-Stars. Pick players for positions they played in or were named in a certain number of times. Not moving the deck chairs around to make space for someone to fit in. The system is as crocked as a dogs hind leg. I did respect the All Stars one time when it was an honour to be named the best full back or full forward in the game no matter what division or championship you played in. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2899 - 30/10/2022 13:51:24 2445947 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Joe Cooney was a glaring omission from a Galway viewpoint. Clare getting 3, after soiling themselves v Kk, would be my big questionmark. Looking at Sheedy and Dalo 'in the parlour' at the all-stars, the munster final '22 HYPE won't die away anytime soon. Hegarty and Kelly memory of the year was going from the bus to the dressingrooms that day!!!!! Any wonder the hype surrounding this game escalated way out of reality, and remarkably hasn't been historically reassessed after Clare's 'no show' at the all-ireland semi final." No. Joe Cooney did not do enough this year to merit an AS. Neither did Fintan Burke, even though he put in a massive 70+ minutes against Hegarty; the only man to handle Hegarty in hurling this year (that's championship hurling, the only type that counts). The right Galway man got an AS, Padraig Mannion, fully deserved. Conor Whelan had a case, but just wasn't there when it had to count versus Limerick. I really like how he plays, though, No Pope, you're wrong, simple as that! But I love how you parade your fallibility in front of us all. Keep posting! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2107 - 30/10/2022 15:25:42 2445953 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Number one I am not a bit upset or worried and definitlely not because Waterford did not get anyone named. In fact if I was using the critera now used but not stated offically, none would be merited. Neither is it about those players who are selected but of the ones not considered anymore. My opinion and everyone is entitled to an alternative one, is about the merit of the system that is used to select. Let me educuate you a little bit about how it used to work by giving you one of many examples. When the league was 1A and 1B JIm Greene of Waterford won an All-Star playing in 1B. He was the leading scorer in all divisions that year and I assume it was in recognition of that. I also imagin it was because the championship was knockout at the time. Fair enough but why not call it the McCarthy Cup All-Stars. Pick players for positions they played in or were named in a certain number of times. Not moving the deck chairs around to make space for someone to fit in. The system is as crocked as a dogs hind leg. I did respect the All Stars one time when it was an honour to be named the best full back or full forward in the game no matter what division or championship you played in." Jim Greene won an All Star in 1982 when Waterford qualified for the Munster final. This is another one of these things people seem to be hung up on. What difference would it make if the name was changed? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 30/10/2022 17:39:53 2445976 Link
Replying To Newyorkkat: "Tony Kelly was a no show in quarter and semi finals." Ya you'd imagine you have to show up for all games to get an All star. Have to say the Munster final was great but there was alot of hurling after that too. Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 30/10/2022 18:28:59 2445984 Link
Replying To updwell: "He deserved it more than O'Donnell but media have a love in for the Clareman" The media do play a big part in who gets picked. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1485 - 30/10/2022 18:52:47 2445989 Link
Replying To Shocs07: "Ya you'd imagine you have to show up for all games to get an All star. Have to say the Munster final was great but there was alot of hurling after that too." Agree. Clare were awful in the only knockout hurling games they played. The hurling that matters most and defines your season more when everything is on the line. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 285 - 31/10/2022 08:51:59 2446022 Link