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Replying To Onfor15: "Look at it logically. In 3/4/5 years time Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, McGovern, Chin, O'Keeffe, McDonald, P Foley, K Foley, S Donohoe, J O'Connor will all be gone or as good as gone. The current group from 20 to 24 do not have players good enough to replace those lads. So unless the current group of 16/17/18/19 year olds produce replacements for them, we could be in for a very lean few years.
All it takes is for us to have a bad season and Offaly (who are on an upward curve) or Westmeath or Laois to catch us one year in Leinster and could very easily find ourselves bottom particularly if Leinster ever goes back to 5 teams." Other lads like Barrett might force their way into the reckoning also.
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Replying To Past hurler: "Direct quote from Egan after the match
"The whole thing for the last four months was about building a panel, to see who we have."
"Some lads put their hands up, have played consistently over the last few weeks; other lads came in today and didn't perform. Unfortunately, the nature of the game is that they mightn't see action for the rest of the year.
"That's the way it has to be."
Doesn't say much for Egan as a manager if that what he was built over the last 4 months.
Could be well out of depth at inter county management I feel." I thought his comments were a disgrace to be honest. Sure the bigger issue of player development in the county might be someone else's responsibility but that's your team and tactics Darragh! Surely given so many absences, the sensible thing to do would have been to start DOK and sit him in as sweeper between the full back line and half back line where there was a crazy amount of space. Donohue has improved a lot but isn't comfortable bringing the ball out from the back and that was the cause of the second goal from memory. I thought Egan threw some inexperienced players 'under the bus' with his comments when maybe he would have been best placed to reflect on his idiotic tactics.
If he really wanted to make a statement that individual performances were not acceptable, he should have started with some experienced players who showed zero leadership. It was clear after 10-15 mins that Jacko for some reason wasn't going to attempt to mark anyone or run for that matter. Maybe he was sulking playing in defence, why not hook him early and let him know who was boss? Cody or Lohan certainly would have. McGovern is a great warrior but was miles off it. Flood didn't win a ball off Conlan playing his first game of year. McDonald usual lack of movement and workrate, just indiscipline. At least the Recks didn't throw it in or Donohue for that matter.
As for the inexperienced players, same thoughts most of you have. We had Davy for 5 years and Egan in his 2nd. So that's 7 years that young players have supposedly seen how a top inter county setup operates. Our lads are miles off it from being able to even physically compete and win their own ball. There's obviously huge problems in the county with regards to player development. Oisin Pepper unavailability was given as one of the reasons we didn't progress at U-20 last year, has he regressed so much he couldn't even get a run yesterday? To be honest I think we are codding ourselves as a county...reliant on Lee Chin's hamstrings to be able to win a ball in our forward line! Rant over !!
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Replying To hunting: "I'll just ask one question, where is gavin Bailey, aiden Nolan. Aj redmond, cian Byrne, and cian molloy?" I thought Molloy from the U-20 team last year looked the most ready to make the step up to senior. Issue there obviously not ability so likely commitment issues. Every county has a few lads who don't commit for whatever reason.
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Replying To Viking66: "Fanning
Reck, MOH, Devitt
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O Foley, Mogie, Mcguckin
Mac, Chin, ROC
J Lawlor, K Foley, Dwyer, Higgins, Hearne, Scallan
Clarke, Niall Murphy, Doran, Flood, Banville." Damien Reck is a brilliant player but not a 6 for me. Need someone to anchor that defence the next day and make the prevention of goals a priority. Maybe swap him with Devitt who has plenty of hurling in him to see how he goes at 6.
Hearne wasn't the worst of them the last day and would give him another go ahead of McGovern or McDonald. Dunbar is a good finisher so would have him close to Chin, think Dunbar is far too loose in midfield for me. Badly missing a physical presence in there like a Cooney or WOD (Limerick). Give ROC a spin out in HF line, he can swap in and out with Chin anyway. Just shows where we are at, reliant on likes of Chin and ROC both coming from fairly serious injuries.
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Replying To Timbertony: "I thought his comments were a disgrace to be honest. Sure the bigger issue of player development in the county might be someone else's responsibility but that's your team and tactics Darragh! Surely given so many absences, the sensible thing to do would have been to start DOK and sit him in as sweeper between the full back line and half back line where there was a crazy amount of space. Donohue has improved a lot but isn't comfortable bringing the ball out from the back and that was the cause of the second goal from memory. I thought Egan threw some inexperienced players 'under the bus' with his comments when maybe he would have been best placed to reflect on his idiotic tactics.
If he really wanted to make a statement that individual performances were not acceptable, he should have started with some experienced players who showed zero leadership. It was clear after 10-15 mins that Jacko for some reason wasn't going to attempt to mark anyone or run for that matter. Maybe he was sulking playing in defence, why not hook him early and let him know who was boss? Cody or Lohan certainly would have. McGovern is a great warrior but was miles off it. Flood didn't win a ball off Conlan playing his first game of year. McDonald usual lack of movement and workrate, just indiscipline. At least the Recks didn't throw it in or Donohue for that matter.
As for the inexperienced players, same thoughts most of you have. We had Davy for 5 years and Egan in his 2nd. So that's 7 years that young players have supposedly seen how a top inter county setup operates. Our lads are miles off it from being able to even physically compete and win their own ball. There's obviously huge problems in the county with regards to player development. Oisin Pepper unavailability was given as one of the reasons we didn't progress at U-20 last year, has he regressed so much he couldn't even get a run yesterday? To be honest I think we are codding ourselves as a county...reliant on Lee Chin's hamstrings to be able to win a ball in our forward line! Rant over !!" That's the problem there in a nutshell in the 2nd half of your last post. The only lads out of the 2018 u21 team that saw any action in the 1st couple of years they were out of that grade were Damien Reck and ROC who were on the Senior panel before 2018. Then Darren Byrne, JOC and Shane Reck in 2019. 5 of that team got nominated for u21 all stars that year FFS.
As regards Saturday there were no tactics as such. It was the same in the League and Walsh Cup last year. People seem to be forgetting, in all the hand wringing about how could this have happened to us, that the same thing happened twice last year 2, only to far stronger Wexford teams on paper. Against Dublin and Waterford.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 01/03/2023 13:47:07
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Replying To Timbertony: "I thought Molloy from the U-20 team last year looked the most ready to make the step up to senior. Issue there obviously not ability so likely commitment issues. Every county has a few lads who don't commit for whatever reason." Apparently he had a minor falling out with someone in management
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 01/03/2023 14:51:32
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Replying To Timbertony: "Damien Reck is a brilliant player but not a 6 for me. Need someone to anchor that defence the next day and make the prevention of goals a priority. Maybe swap him with Devitt who has plenty of hurling in him to see how he goes at 6.
Hearne wasn't the worst of them the last day and would give him another go ahead of McGovern or McDonald. Dunbar is a good finisher so would have him close to Chin, think Dunbar is far too loose in midfield for me. Badly missing a physical presence in there like a Cooney or WOD (Limerick). Give ROC a spin out in HF line, he can swap in and out with Chin anyway. Just shows where we are at, reliant on likes of Chin and ROC both coming from fairly serious injuries." Yes but every team has the their 4 or 5 or 6 best players same as us. Limerick currently have more, as is reflected in the number of AIs they have won. If you take Gleeson and Hutchinson out of Waterfords forwards, or TJ and Cody out of Kilkennys, or Forde and Callinan out of Tipps, TK and SOD out of Clares etc etc.
And at the back Ryan, MOH and Reck are our best 3. We only had Reck the last day. And agreed he is definitely a 6 that likes going forward. That's why the team needs Kevin Foley or Dee playing as a holding midfielder to drop back and cover and/or wingbacks that are mobile enough to cover across. i.e. not Jacko. The shape at the back noticeably improved when Carty came on.
It wasn't just that we were missing 7 or 8 of our championship team Sunday. We were missing all our best players except Damien Reck. And I'd include Dee and Kevin Foley, who does alot of the unseen covering work a midfielder has to do, in that list. I'm also including Mac on that list of our best missing players, he may as well have been in the stand Sunday tbh.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 01/03/2023 15:02:56
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A Gael here was saying Andrew Shore stood up for the players on one of the hurling podcasts, questioning what the game plan was from management.
This is something I felt at the match that the pundits who were talking about poor play from Wexford seem to have missed. Either they saw the 5 minutes on Sunday Game which informed their view or none of the match at all because yes it was a brutal performance, but what did management tell the players regarding a game plan?
Was the game plan to go out and hurl against the wind and leave huge gaps in the full back line for the Clare forwards to run in to? Did they not think that against the wind maybe it might be an idea to not give the likes of Conlon space and time on the ball and given the strength of the wind the first half was a damage limitation exercise? Did it not occur to management at some stage when that 2-9 without reply went in that maybe we needed to shore it up a bit?
I don't claim to be Brian Cody and think sweepers are a failure in coaching as I said but at my lowly level of GAA Management if we are hurling against the wind we do tell our half back line to be ready to drop back to help the full back line out once the ball is going over their head in there, but also that the forwards need to double their efforts to stop the ball from coming in.
All the pundits on various radio shows talked about all week was a "fire under these lads" and "big reaction".....what about a bit of accountability for the management team who had either no game plan or none obvious to any of us who shelled out €18 to go see it? Maybe Daire Egan is their bread and butter so they were afraid to be critical of him, but to me he threw the players in under the bus in his interview.
I get that it is the league but at least send a team out prepared for battle with a game plan in mind in front of a big home crowd. That is the least they are entitled to.
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Replying To Timbertony: "Damien Reck is a brilliant player but not a 6 for me. Need someone to anchor that defence the next day and make the prevention of goals a priority. Maybe swap him with Devitt who has plenty of hurling in him to see how he goes at 6.
Hearne wasn't the worst of them the last day and would give him another go ahead of McGovern or McDonald. Dunbar is a good finisher so would have him close to Chin, think Dunbar is far too loose in midfield for me. Badly missing a physical presence in there like a Cooney or WOD (Limerick). Give ROC a spin out in HF line, he can swap in and out with Chin anyway. Just shows where we are at, reliant on likes of Chin and ROC both coming from fairly serious injuries." Devitt is a good solid player but dont think I would move Damien from 6. The one thing that I want to see in Cork is evidence of a game plan that we are trying to work towards.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A Gael here was saying Andrew Shore stood up for the players on one of the hurling podcasts, questioning what the game plan was from management.
This is something I felt at the match that the pundits who were talking about poor play from Wexford seem to have missed. Either they saw the 5 minutes on Sunday Game which informed their view or none of the match at all because yes it was a brutal performance, but what did management tell the players regarding a game plan?
Was the game plan to go out and hurl against the wind and leave huge gaps in the full back line for the Clare forwards to run in to? Did they not think that against the wind maybe it might be an idea to not give the likes of Conlon space and time on the ball and given the strength of the wind the first half was a damage limitation exercise? Did it not occur to management at some stage when that 2-9 without reply went in that maybe we needed to shore it up a bit?
I don't claim to be Brian Cody and think sweepers are a failure in coaching as I said but at my lowly level of GAA Management if we are hurling against the wind we do tell our half back line to be ready to drop back to help the full back line out once the ball is going over their head in there, but also that the forwards need to double their efforts to stop the ball from coming in.
All the pundits on various radio shows talked about all week was a "fire under these lads" and "big reaction".....what about a bit of accountability for the management team who had either no game plan or none obvious to any of us who shelled out €18 to go see it? Maybe Daire Egan is their bread and butter so they were afraid to be critical of him, but to me he threw the players in under the bus in his interview.
I get that it is the league but at least send a team out prepared for battle with a game plan in mind in front of a big home crowd. That is the least they are entitled to." That is one cricitism I have of Egan. Under Davy we had a clear way of playing and everyone knew their role. The only clear instructions I have seen under Egan short pucks to corner backs and they try work it up the field . Also we often retreat to the 45 on our own puck outs particularly last year.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A Gael here was saying Andrew Shore stood up for the players on one of the hurling podcasts, questioning what the game plan was from management.
This is something I felt at the match that the pundits who were talking about poor play from Wexford seem to have missed. Either they saw the 5 minutes on Sunday Game which informed their view or none of the match at all because yes it was a brutal performance, but what did management tell the players regarding a game plan?
Was the game plan to go out and hurl against the wind and leave huge gaps in the full back line for the Clare forwards to run in to? Did they not think that against the wind maybe it might be an idea to not give the likes of Conlon space and time on the ball and given the strength of the wind the first half was a damage limitation exercise? Did it not occur to management at some stage when that 2-9 without reply went in that maybe we needed to shore it up a bit?
I don't claim to be Brian Cody and think sweepers are a failure in coaching as I said but at my lowly level of GAA Management if we are hurling against the wind we do tell our half back line to be ready to drop back to help the full back line out once the ball is going over their head in there, but also that the forwards need to double their efforts to stop the ball from coming in.
All the pundits on various radio shows talked about all week was a "fire under these lads" and "big reaction".....what about a bit of accountability for the management team who had either no game plan or none obvious to any of us who shelled out €18 to go see it? Maybe Daire Egan is their bread and butter so they were afraid to be critical of him, but to me he threw the players in under the bus in his interview.
I get that it is the league but at least send a team out prepared for battle with a game plan in mind in front of a big home crowd. That is the least they are entitled to." Last Sunday was a collective meltdown players and management bar 2-3 players who battled manfully, we had 3 games last year which could have seriously derailed confidence Dublin Walsh Cup, Waterford League and Westmeath Championship (3 different levels of importance I know), in 2 of the 3 we got a brilliant reaction the following week the other we took a while to regather ourselves, hopefully there will be reaction against Cork regardless of result.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A Gael here was saying Andrew Shore stood up for the players on one of the hurling podcasts, questioning what the game plan was from management.
This is something I felt at the match that the pundits who were talking about poor play from Wexford seem to have missed. Either they saw the 5 minutes on Sunday Game which informed their view or none of the match at all because yes it was a brutal performance, but what did management tell the players regarding a game plan?
Was the game plan to go out and hurl against the wind and leave huge gaps in the full back line for the Clare forwards to run in to? Did they not think that against the wind maybe it might be an idea to not give the likes of Conlon space and time on the ball and given the strength of the wind the first half was a damage limitation exercise? Did it not occur to management at some stage when that 2-9 without reply went in that maybe we needed to shore it up a bit?
I don't claim to be Brian Cody and think sweepers are a failure in coaching as I said but at my lowly level of GAA Management if we are hurling against the wind we do tell our half back line to be ready to drop back to help the full back line out once the ball is going over their head in there, but also that the forwards need to double their efforts to stop the ball from coming in.
All the pundits on various radio shows talked about all week was a "fire under these lads" and "big reaction".....what about a bit of accountability for the management team who had either no game plan or none obvious to any of us who shelled out €18 to go see it? Maybe Daire Egan is their bread and butter so they were afraid to be critical of him, but to me he threw the players in under the bus in his interview.
I get that it is the league but at least send a team out prepared for battle with a game plan in mind in front of a big home crowd. That is the least they are entitled to." In fairness to Egan his one big instruction to the halfback line since the start of the season is not to let the ball pass them. He's been shouting that since Mountrath at every game this year. Where he went wrong at the weekend was selection as far as that goes.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 01/03/2023 17:25:21
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Last Sunday was a collective meltdown players and management bar 2-3 players who battled manfully, we had 3 games last year which could have seriously derailed confidence Dublin Walsh Cup, Waterford League and Westmeath Championship (3 different levels of importance I know), in 2 of the 3 we got a brilliant reaction the following week the other we took a while to regather ourselves, hopefully there will be reaction against Cork regardless of result." That would definitely be the hope.
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The lack of effort from some players is very worrying.
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Replying To hunting: "I'll just ask one question, where is gavin Bailey, aiden Nolan. Aj redmond, cian Byrne, and cian molloy?" Gavin Bailey was informed by Egan a few hours before the Ferns dinner dance that he was off the panel. Then Egan turned up to do the presentation of medals. A tad callous if you ask me. Bailey was worth keeping on the panel too.
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 276 - 01/03/2023 18:39:54
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Replying To Afinestick: "Devitt is a good solid player but dont think I would move Damien from 6. The one thing that I want to see in Cork is evidence of a game plan that we are trying to work towards." Damien Reck got dragged all over the place in the first half last weekend I thought. Left a huge gap at 6 in a non existent HB line/midfield. Felt sorry for FB line as they were sold down the swanny. Think we need someone else there, are they still hoping Foley comes back from bondi beach or wherever he is? Not sure if Devitt would be the answer but Reck definitely isn't. Put him back in the corner with his brother where he is a top class performer.
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Replying To Viking66: "Ah god that's the most negative post I've ever read on this. And that really takes some doing : D" I don't think that post is negative,Why do you think that team playing last Sunday will be good enough to stay in the Liam McCarthy race? 3 years time we won't be too far away from Joe McDonagh.. McDonald,O Hanlon,Chin, Ryan, O Keeffe, McGovern, Foley will be gone give or take 3/4 years. Who/Where players will come out of because we haven't seen them at Underage level yet. Not about running anyone down it's about been realistic…
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes but every team has the their 4 or 5 or 6 best players same as us. Limerick currently have more, as is reflected in the number of AIs they have won. If you take Gleeson and Hutchinson out of Waterfords forwards, or TJ and Cody out of Kilkennys, or Forde and Callinan out of Tipps, TK and SOD out of Clares etc etc.
And at the back Ryan, MOH and Reck are our best 3. We only had Reck the last day. And agreed he is definitely a 6 that likes going forward. That's why the team needs Kevin Foley or Dee playing as a holding midfielder to drop back and cover and/or wingbacks that are mobile enough to cover across. i.e. not Jacko. The shape at the back noticeably improved when Carty came on.
It wasn't just that we were missing 7 or 8 of our championship team Sunday. We were missing all our best players except Damien Reck. And I'd include Dee and Kevin Foley, who does alot of the unseen covering work a midfielder has to do, in that list. I'm also including Mac on that list of our best missing players, he may as well have been in the stand Sunday tbh." "The shape at the back improved when Carty came on" Ah C'mon FFS, there is long winded drivel on here, is he a clubman of yours or something? 6 backs from start to finish were destroyed, end of story. McGovern legs are catching up, as is O Keeffe. Jack O C was put in every position you think of, no fault of his. Players didn't know what or where they were to be, everyone pointing including Egan, Gameplane very confusing,thinking back to Dublin/Galway games last year. Wexford teams are getting smaller and will be further in next few years. Any one new coming into panel they are way too small, nice little hurlers but.will not be able to cope. Pepper,Dunbar,Byrne,Foley, won't be growing
Banville, Dwyer, Higgins,Hearne, won't be growing much either
There is no big men coming, have seen a lot of minor and u20 in last 3 years but we will be bullied everyday we go out, that's been realistic. We might win a game or 2 this year but we are regressing. Biggest loss out of Wexford GAA was S& C man Dara Kissane, Covid was blamed….was making strides but was ousted. Would prefer players than lights anyway..
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Last Sunday was a collective meltdown players and management bar 2-3 players who battled manfully, we had 3 games last year which could have seriously derailed confidence Dublin Walsh Cup, Waterford League and Westmeath Championship (3 different levels of importance I know), in 2 of the 3 we got a brilliant reaction the following week the other we took a while to regather ourselves, hopefully there will be reaction against Cork regardless of result." We still ended up third in Leinster and another QF defeat to Clare so surely a disappointing year or is that the level of our ambition? More hard luck stories, injuries, goalkeeper mistakes etc but I think we should be seriously questioning where we are really at. It's hardly down to lack of investment either in facilities, senior inter county setups, the works really. Can't blame football either as that has been ran down let's be honest to prioritise hurling in the last 7-10 years. Can't blame all that on likes of Fitzgerald or Egan either.
To be honest I think our core group of players peaked in 2019 where we left an AI final appearance v KK behind us. Get the main guys back fully fit and still capable of the odd very good performance (like v KK last year) matched with awful ones like Westmeath and Waterford.
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Replying To Tox73: ""The shape at the back improved when Carty came on" Ah C'mon FFS, there is long winded drivel on here, is he a clubman of yours or something? 6 backs from start to finish were destroyed, end of story. McGovern legs are catching up, as is O Keeffe. Jack O C was put in every position you think of, no fault of his. Players didn't know what or where they were to be, everyone pointing including Egan, Gameplane very confusing,thinking back to Dublin/Galway games last year. Wexford teams are getting smaller and will be further in next few years. Any one new coming into panel they are way too small, nice little hurlers but.will not be able to cope. Pepper,Dunbar,Byrne,Foley, won't be growing
Banville, Dwyer, Higgins,Hearne, won't be growing much either
There is no big men coming, have seen a lot of minor and u20 in last 3 years but we will be bullied everyday we go out, that's been realistic. We might win a game or 2 this year but we are regressing. Biggest loss out of Wexford GAA was S& C man Dara Kissane, Covid was blamed….was making strides but was ousted. Would prefer players than lights anyway.." Kinsella and Clancy are reasonably tall. Jack Redmond and Conor Foley aren't short either. Schokman is a tall lad also. Agreed we don't have a Hayes or Hegarty coming as far as I know. And agreed a lad won't grow any taller than he is by the time he's in his late teens. But if you look at some of the better players around at the minute they aren't neccessarily all tall, though all are strong. The 2 Caseys, Lynch, Finn from Limerick, SOD and Reidy from Clare, Cathal Barrett and Bonnar Maher from Tipp, Jamie Barron and Dessie Hutchinson from Waterford, Mark Coleman and Patrick Horgan from Cork, to name but a few are all under 6ft tall. Conor Whelan is only the bare 6ft. It's strength that is more the problem for alot of our younger lads.
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