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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't know who was dropped but on the topic of being behind S&C wise.
I heard in our club recently that one of the Galway hurlers put on something like 10kg over the winter (management said he being pushed off the ball too much), and Billy Drennan in Kilkenny did something similar. I am sure this wasn't put on in the local chippy or eating breakfast rolls but if we are behind S&C it doesn't take 2-3 years as is often made out.
If the players aren't fit enough and S&C is still miles off, things are not right.
And yet, qualify in Leinster and all will be forgiven. But go out and get annihilated by Limerick and Cork and morale will be at a low going to Galway.
I just as an outsider with Wexford as my 2nd team don't like what I am seeing from this team."
Higgins, Carty and Clarke should've been doing what they are doing now 4 years ago. Eoin Murphy, Mcguckin, Banville etc 3 years ago. The conveyor belt was broken for a long while that's why there are so many pieces on the production line getting worked at all at the same time. If it hadn't been done this year some of them would never have got looked at and worked on. And we would be in big bother in 2 or 3 years time.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 28/02/2023 14:26:19    2460970

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't know who was dropped but on the topic of being behind S&C wise.
I heard in our club recently that one of the Galway hurlers put on something like 10kg over the winter (management said he being pushed off the ball too much), and Billy Drennan in Kilkenny did something similar. I am sure this wasn't put on in the local chippy or eating breakfast rolls but if we are behind S&C it doesn't take 2-3 years as is often made out.
If the players aren't fit enough and S&C is still miles off, things are not right.
And yet, qualify in Leinster and all will be forgiven. But go out and get annihilated by Limerick and Cork and morale will be at a low going to Galway.
I just as an outsider with Wexford as my 2nd team don't like what I am seeing from this team."
BTW putting 10kg on in a few months is NOT proper S and C work. It takes years to do right.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 28/02/2023 14:28:25    2460972

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't know who was dropped but on the topic of being behind S&C wise.
I heard in our club recently that one of the Galway hurlers put on something like 10kg over the winter (management said he being pushed off the ball too much), and Billy Drennan in Kilkenny did something similar. I am sure this wasn't put on in the local chippy or eating breakfast rolls but if we are behind S&C it doesn't take 2-3 years as is often made out.
If the players aren't fit enough and S&C is still miles off, things are not right.
And yet, qualify in Leinster and all will be forgiven. But go out and get annihilated by Limerick and Cork and morale will be at a low going to Galway.
I just as an outsider with Wexford as my 2nd team don't like what I am seeing from this team."
BTW putting 10kg on in a few months is NOT proper S and C work. It takes years to do right.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 28/02/2023 14:28:35    2460973

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Replying To Viking66:  "BTW putting 10kg on in a few months is NOT proper S and C work. It takes years to do right."
I know it takes years to do it right, but Wexford don't have years in a similar way to Kilkenny not having years if they are to build on last years final.
If Billy Drennan and others can do it, and can go out and score 14 points or whatever he got on Sunday, desperate times desperate measures and that.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1452 - 28/02/2023 16:48:29    2461018

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What team would you go with for Cork lads are we looking at everyone available bar Jippo and Lawlor ? We need a big response from our lads and for lads to start developing partnerships on the field before Salthill

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 28/02/2023 17:22:07    2461027

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I think a lot of lads get lost in the idea that S+C is the be all and end of all. It has massive importance yes, but the fact of the matter is, Wexford have a lot of lads physically too small height and width wise no matter how much bulk lads add to their frame. Clare's half forward line against us for spells at the weekend was David Fitzgerald, Peter Duggan and Cathal Malone. All well over 6 foot. This coupled with 5/6 years of S+C work means they are all monsters of men. We have a huge problem in Wexford with regard to actual height and natural size, and it becomes increasingly evident when we don't have O'Hanlon, Chin and Foley out there. For years O'Hanlon was ridiculed for not being a good enough hurler and a lot of people maintained he should be dropped from the Wexfords team etc but the man is a fantastic athlete who uses his physique (along with his hurling skill) to dominate and compete with oppositions biggest threats (e.g Reid, Canning, Keaney etc). We have no one anywhere near his size and physicality coming in the pipe line to replace him.
Yes some of our lads are a bit behind in terms of other counties in regard to S+C , but a lot of our up and coming young lads, particularly our forwards, are never going to be classed as big men no matter how much bulk they add. Pound for pound there is probably not many stronger lads in Ireland never mind Wexford than Mikie Dwyer, but he is only around 5.9 or so. Our up and coming young forwards, namely C Byrne Dunbar, Pepper, Cian Byrne and Richie lawlor again are all physically small men.
There's a reason Egan had the lads trying to run the ball out from the full back line because he knows if they go long they don't win more than 25% of them.

There is no real answer as to why this is the case. It perhaps is stemming for underage couches picking development panels and neglecting the big awkward guy at u14/u16 or the big guy who's carrying a few extra pounds in favour of lads who are small and fast. This may be the case as to why we don't produce any lads over 6 foot or with any size, as we are more interested in the guy who is rapid fast at u14 as he tends to score lots of goals etc.

There is a saying, an ounce of breeding is worth a tonne of feeding and I think this could be applied to our underage development panels fairly urgently.

Wally2496 (Wexford) - Posts: 46 - 28/02/2023 18:29:04    2461035

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I know it takes years to do it right, but Wexford don't have years in a similar way to Kilkenny not having years if they are to build on last years final.
If Billy Drennan and others can do it, and can go out and score 14 points or whatever he got on Sunday, desperate times desperate measures and that."
Guarantee you if a lad puts on 10kg in a few months and doesn't put it on right while doing the right exercises especially core ones, and learning the right techniques for running and standing, he will be just as easy knocked over as he was before. Its not just hit the gym and knock back a few creatine shakes. It's not something that happens overnight. Real strength takes years. Helps if you have some natural size to start with like Drennan had. But he would probably have knocked over those 14 points with or without the extra 10kg.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 28/02/2023 18:34:48    2461036

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Replying To Afinestick:  "What team would you go with for Cork lads are we looking at everyone available bar Jippo and Lawlor ? We need a big response from our lads and for lads to start developing partnerships on the field before Salthill"
Fanning
Reck, MOH, Devitt
Donohue, Reck, Carty
DOK, Dunbar
O Foley, Mogie, Mcguckin
Mac, Chin, ROC
J Lawlor, K Foley, Dwyer, Higgins, Hearne, Scallan
Clarke, Niall Murphy, Doran, Flood, Banville.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 28/02/2023 18:43:05    2461037

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I'll just ask one question, where is gavin Bailey, aiden Nolan. Aj redmond, cian Byrne, and cian molloy?

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 28/02/2023 19:31:03    2461054

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Replying To Afinestick:  "What team would you go with for Cork lads are we looking at everyone available bar Jippo and Lawlor ? We need a big response from our lads and for lads to start developing partnerships on the field before Salthill"
Strongest available as we need to get a response Sunday week against Cork. I know its only March and it's only the league nal this but you cannot follow up a hammering like that with another poor performance. It will be only 6 weeks to championship opener as well so we need to start performing and getting the big lads out on the pitch together.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 28/02/2023 20:07:51    2461061

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The team that started v Clare last Sunday.

Would lads here think that team could win the Joe McDonagh cup 2023?

In the Joe McDonagh are Laois, Kerry, Offaly, Kildare and Carlow.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 01/03/2023 07:13:34    2461068

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Replying To Past hurler:  "The team that started v Clare last Sunday.

Would lads here think that team could win the Joe McDonagh cup 2023?

In the Joe McDonagh are Laois, Kerry, Offaly, Kildare and Carlow."
We'll be able to find out the answer to that in a few years when we are in it.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 01/03/2023 09:31:17    2461081

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Replying To Past hurler:  "The team that started v Clare last Sunday.

Would lads here think that team could win the Joe McDonagh cup 2023?

In the Joe McDonagh are Laois, Kerry, Offaly, Kildare and Carlow."
Not if they play like they did last Saturday. Especially some of the lads who started for us in the AISF last year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 01/03/2023 09:36:08    2461083

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Replying To Onfor15:  "We'll be able to find out the answer to that in a few years when we are in it."
Ah god that's the most negative post I've ever read on this. And that really takes some doing : D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 01/03/2023 09:37:02    2461084

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Replying To Viking66:  "Fanning
Reck, MOH, Devitt
Donohue, Reck, Carty
DOK, Dunbar
O Foley, Mogie, Mcguckin
Mac, Chin, ROC
J Lawlor, K Foley, Dwyer, Higgins, Hearne, Scallan
Clarke, Niall Murphy, Doran, Flood, Banville."
Would go with something similar to this . Have Jack O Connor in the subs aswell hopefully he can regain form and has done well previously off the bench. Id probably start Dwyer aswell maybe instead of Mogie and have ROC in the half forward line . I hope Rory has some luck this year on the injury front we really need him and Chin on the field. I hear there was a few lads dropped after Sundays game. Was this planned or is Egan putting his foot down after the performance?

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 01/03/2023 09:56:31    2461092

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Replying To Viking66:  "Ah god that's the most negative post I've ever read on this. And that really takes some doing : D"
Look at it logically. In 3/4/5 years time Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, McGovern, Chin, O'Keeffe, McDonald, P Foley, K Foley, S Donohoe, J O'Connor will all be gone or as good as gone. The current group from 20 to 24 do not have players good enough to replace those lads. So unless the current group of 16/17/18/19 year olds produce replacements for them, we could be in for a very lean few years.

All it takes is for us to have a bad season and Offaly (who are on an upward curve) or Westmeath or Laois to catch us one year in Leinster and could very easily find ourselves bottom particularly if Leinster ever goes back to 5 teams.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 01/03/2023 10:07:23    2461101

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Strangely enough we didn't get anyone on the GAA TOTW this week!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 01/03/2023 10:11:22    2461102

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Would go with something similar to this . Have Jack O Connor in the subs aswell hopefully he can regain form and has done well previously off the bench. Id probably start Dwyer aswell maybe instead of Mogie and have ROC in the half forward line . I hope Rory has some luck this year on the injury front we really need him and Chin on the field. I hear there was a few lads dropped after Sundays game. Was this planned or is Egan putting his foot down after the performance?"
He made it sound like it was as a result of the performance in his post match interview though I suspect it was planned.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 01/03/2023 10:22:13    2461109

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Look at it logically. In 3/4/5 years time Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, McGovern, Chin, O'Keeffe, McDonald, P Foley, K Foley, S Donohoe, J O'Connor will all be gone or as good as gone. The current group from 20 to 24 do not have players good enough to replace those lads. So unless the current group of 16/17/18/19 year olds produce replacements for them, we could be in for a very lean few years.

All it takes is for us to have a bad season and Offaly (who are on an upward curve) or Westmeath or Laois to catch us one year in Leinster and could very easily find ourselves bottom particularly if Leinster ever goes back to 5 teams."
You also posted the below about the footballers after a poor result which tells me everything about your mindset, clearly you get a kick out of knocking people when there down.

'We should play an annual challenge match against Kilkenny for charity or something instead of entering these competitions.'

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 01/03/2023 10:38:09    2461115

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Look at it logically. In 3/4/5 years time Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, McGovern, Chin, O'Keeffe, McDonald, P Foley, K Foley, S Donohoe, J O'Connor will all be gone or as good as gone. The current group from 20 to 24 do not have players good enough to replace those lads. So unless the current group of 16/17/18/19 year olds produce replacements for them, we could be in for a very lean few years.

All it takes is for us to have a bad season and Offaly (who are on an upward curve) or Westmeath or Laois to catch us one year in Leinster and could very easily find ourselves bottom particularly if Leinster ever goes back to 5 teams."
Mac, Ryan, Foley, Donohue could be around the 5 years. In the shorter term Chin, Mogie, Dee and Matt might not be around after 3 years.
Mcguckin, Hearne and Dunbar if they stay improving at the rate they are could replace Dee and Mogie in the next year or 2. Of the 2018 u21 team ROC, Dwyer, the 2 Recks, Carty, Higgins, Joe OC, Clarke, Lawlor all have looked like they have the potential to be long term starters for the next 6 or 7 years if they keep motivated and improving and getting the chance to play so they can stay motivated and improve. R Lawlor, Scallan, Doran, Clancy and Kinsella haven't done too badly for their 1st real serious year in the set up either. All of the above will get physically stronger as each year goes by with proper S and C. Would be great if AJ would make the full commitment and Cian Molloy too. Billy Dunne from Oulart would be a great addition also if he'd commit. Kyle Firman and Cathal Doyle are electric forwards too so hopefully we will see more of them next year as well.
Out of this year's u20s who are in their last year at the grade Conor Foley, Pepper, Byrne Dunbar, Redmond, O Hagan, Twalmey, Schokman look great prospects if they keep at it and management keep working with them.
All of the above are behind other counties lads their age because of the abject lack of proper S and C programs they had from u13/4 to minor though. It will take time for them to catch up.
It's not all doom and gloom but it will take a huge effort from the lads themselves and the management team. And will no doubt involve more painful days like Sunday for us supporters in the next year or so especially.
In fairness to Egan this is why he's doing what he's done this year. Short term pain for hopefully longer term gain. He's not just thinking about his personal CV which is encouraging. Fair play to him.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 01/03/2023 10:44:12    2461118

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