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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I think you should volunteer to get involved in player development seeing as you think your an expert on it," Never claimed to be an expert. Just telling it as I see it. Results don't lie. One underage title in 8 years. Hardly going to make our senior team any better now is it.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Imagine a giving that to a Horeswood man who barely lifted a hurl in his life!!" I hurled, wasn't very good at it but I did. My father hurled for Wexford, as did my uncle's at underage. They told me stuff about how bad management and all that goes with it cost them provincial titles. Now it's has to be a lot better nowadays then back in the 80's. Whatever we're doing is not working. Ye can't say the results at underage have been great over the last 8 years. Just a culture of being mediocre has always been in Wexford hurling.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 27/02/2023 13:55:31
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Replying To Viking66: "Think the time for extreme experimenting and giving lads experience is now over. Based on what I've seen with my own 2 eyes so far this season, and assuming all the regular starters who we haven't seen are fit and in good form, I'd go with the following team provisionally for the championship depending how they fare out against Cork and Limerick-
Fanning
S Reck, Ryan, Donohue
MOH, D Reck, Carty
DOK, Dunbar
Dwyer, Mogie, O Foley
Mac, Chin, Rory
Subs-J Lawlor, K Foley, Mcguckin, R Lawlor, Hearne, Banville, Devitt, Clarke, Higgins, Flood, Conor Foley, not to be brought on unless absolutely necessary as the u20 games aren't 7 games apart from the Senior ones. Dee can drop in well when the halfbacks and Donohue push forward to get scores.
Pretty much the same team as last year except good options off the bench who have now mostly done well in games or parts of games this year and have more experience now on the back of it. Especially James Lawlor, Devitt, K Foley, Mcguckin, Hearne and R Lawlor, if back in time, wouldn't weaken the team too much if they had to come on. They could even be brought on between the 50th and 60th minutes to freshen up the team especially for any player who tires in the middle 8 positions who are going to have to work like dogs if we are going to beat any of the top teams. Clarke, Banville and Higgins all are more experienced now than last year also. Flood is very skilful and has good experience now at this stage and Conor Foley is included for halfback cover, though it would be best to see him play for the u20s and only come on at Senior in an emergency.
That's the team I'd like to see selected against Cork and Limerick if fully fit." Ryan is out of the rest of the league, team I'd go with for Cork if all available.
Fanning
S Reck
O'Hanlon
Devitt
Donohoe
D Reck
Carty
Dee
Dunbar
O Foley
McGovern
McGuckin/Hearne (whoever doesn't start gets a start against Limerick)
Higgins
Chin
R O'C
I'd reward Higgins and Dunbar for being the 2 brightest lights yesterday and leave a couple of established players out whose effort yesterday wasn't anywhere near the expected levels also get minutes into lads who need them.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 13:58:10
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Ryan is out of the rest of the league, team I'd go with for Cork if all available.
Fanning
S Reck
O'Hanlon
Devitt
Donohoe
D Reck
Carty
Dee
Dunbar
O Foley
McGovern
McGuckin/Hearne (whoever doesn't start gets a start against Limerick)
Higgins
Chin
R O'C
I'd reward Higgins and Dunbar for being the 2 brightest lights yesterday and leave a couple of established players out whose effort yesterday wasn't anywhere near the expected levels also get minutes into lads who need them." Just on 1 point 1 or 2 lads I did include their effort yesterday also wasn't at the expected levels so need to up it big time too.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 14:10:49
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Never claimed to be an expert. Just telling it as I see it. Results don't lie. One underage title in 8 years. Hardly going to make our senior team any better now is it." That's fair enough I don't think I've seen 1 person here claim we're standard bearers or anything of the like but you constantly point out problems without giving solutions, also your were like an energiser bunny here after full time yesterday if we had anyway of a competent performance we would have barely heard a word out of you, this lack of balance really irks me too.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 14:16:29
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A lot has been made of of Kyle hayes stroke in the Galway game, what did ye make of clearys slap on Mac Donald. Me personally it was a straight red no where near the ball and a good slap on the back of the head. Wexford park was quiet but I heard the slap from where I was. It wouldn't have made a difference either but Mac didn't even get a free.
I'll come back on the match later I still haven't digested the scandle of it yet
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 370 - 27/02/2023 14:32:07
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I just think yesterday was a perfect storm from a Wexford perspective
1. Management trying to give new guys an opportunity which I agree with, but the problem is so many of our core team aren't available at the moment. Look at how limerick are introducing new players to inter county: they are surrounded by around 10 regulars and that's a perfect environment for them to play in. Plenty of experience to help them settle in.
2. Clare got mauled by limerick 2 weeks ago. Lohan wasn't going to accept another performance like that and went close to full strength as a result and I'd imagine their ears were still ringing from the limerick game so Clare's attitude yesterday shouldn't surprise anyone.
As to where we go from here, the likes of chinner, Rory, ohanlon, Oisin foley have to start getting game time. If not it's hard to see how they'll have the match sharpness to thrive in championship.
We need to see a big response from the team akin to Clare yesterday against Limerick and cork. If we don't we'll ship another couple of heavy losses which would do nothing for confidence heading into salthill
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/02/2023 14:57:30
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "That's fair enough I don't think I've seen 1 person here claim we're standard bearers or anything of the like but you constantly point out problems without giving solutions, also your were like an energiser bunny here after full time yesterday if we had anyway of a competent performance we would have barely heard a word out of you, this lack of balance really irks me too." Its a general Wexford supporter thing. the negativity is cat.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 872 - 27/02/2023 14:59:09
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Never claimed to be an expert. Just telling it as I see it. Results don't lie. One underage title in 8 years. Hardly going to make our senior team any better now is it." You don't need 15 great lads to win an underage title together to keep a good senior team going. If you had 2 or 3 great lads every year is enough. Probably not enough to win an underage title though. There are 8 or 10 lads off the 2018 u21 team on the panel now. Including the 2 Recks, ROC, Mikey Dwyer, Joe OC, Ian Carty, Conor Firman, Higgins, Clarke. Still didn't win an underage title and the biggest problem with them this year is that what they have been doing this year they should've been doing in 2019.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 27/02/2023 15:02:40
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "I hurled, wasn't very good at it but I did. My father hurled for Wexford, as did my uncle's at underage. They told me stuff about how bad management and all that goes with it cost them provincial titles. Now it's has to be a lot better nowadays then back in the 80's. Whatever we're doing is not working. Ye can't say the results at underage have been great over the last 8 years. Just a culture of being mediocre has always been in Wexford hurling." Probably since the mid 70s.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 27/02/2023 15:03:14
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Ryan is out of the rest of the league, team I'd go with for Cork if all available.
Fanning
S Reck
O'Hanlon
Devitt
Donohoe
D Reck
Carty
Dee
Dunbar
O Foley
McGovern
McGuckin/Hearne (whoever doesn't start gets a start against Limerick)
Higgins
Chin
R O'C
I'd reward Higgins and Dunbar for being the 2 brightest lights yesterday and leave a couple of established players out whose effort yesterday wasn't anywhere near the expected levels also get minutes into lads who need them." Forgot about Ryan's injury. And yes Macs performance aside from a really well taken goal wasn't great. So I'd be all for the team you have named there. Still would have Dwyer ahead of Mcguckin and Hearne come championship though. Or maybe bring him on for Higgins if Higgins struggles against Cork.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 27/02/2023 15:09:54
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "That's fair enough I don't think I've seen 1 person here claim we're standard bearers or anything of the like but you constantly point out problems without giving solutions, also your were like an energiser bunny here after full time yesterday if we had anyway of a competent performance we would have barely heard a word out of you, this lack of balance really irks me too." That's not fair at all. I've come on here plenty and praised the teams after a good result. One of the first to come on here after the Kilkenny game last year. Praised the effort after the Clare game. What irks me is listening to officials on podcasts and radio telling us everything is fine. It's ether lies or delusion. I've been consistent on this for ages as well. One solution I would have is to scrap this split season at club nonsense. Go back to pre-covid because it worked. Not perfect but I think it worked better than the current system. Is it a coincidence that our football champions have been performing better in their provincial championships while our senior champions at least, have really struggled coming out of the county.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 27/02/2023 15:13:11
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Ryan is out of the rest of the league, team I'd go with for Cork if all available.
Fanning
S Reck
O'Hanlon
Devitt
Donohoe
D Reck
Carty
Dee
Dunbar
O Foley
McGovern
McGuckin/Hearne (whoever doesn't start gets a start against Limerick)
Higgins
Chin
R O'C
I'd reward Higgins and Dunbar for being the 2 brightest lights yesterday and leave a couple of established players out whose effort yesterday wasn't anywhere near the expected levels also get minutes into lads who need them." I'd agree with this 100% . Dunbar was good and Higgins showed some fight. I hate criticising players but I was very disappointed in Mac And Jack O Connor yesterday and should be dropped for the next game . Yesterday was very worrying not so much for this season because we do have some of our best players coming back but looking further down the line the overall quality of players from age 21-28 is poor . The first touch yesterday was awful. I have no problem with being beaten but as a previous poster said we didn't show any sort of intensity or fight yesterday . For the remaining two league games . We need to get some momentum back before heading into championship .
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 27/02/2023 15:35:02
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "That's not fair at all. I've come on here plenty and praised the teams after a good result. One of the first to come on here after the Kilkenny game last year. Praised the effort after the Clare game. What irks me is listening to officials on podcasts and radio telling us everything is fine. It's ether lies or delusion. I've been consistent on this for ages as well. One solution I would have is to scrap this split season at club nonsense. Go back to pre-covid because it worked. Not perfect but I think it worked better than the current system. Is it a coincidence that our football champions have been performing better in their provincial championships while our senior champions at least, have really struggled coming out of the county." It's not a coincidence. It's logical. But I still think it's the fairest system for dual clubs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 27/02/2023 15:37:29
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Replying To Wexfordgaa: "A lot has been made of of Kyle hayes stroke in the Galway game, what did ye make of clearys slap on Mac Donald. Me personally it was a straight red no where near the ball and a good slap on the back of the head. Wexford park was quiet but I heard the slap from where I was. It wouldn't have made a difference either but Mac didn't even get a free.
I'll come back on the match later I still haven't digested the scandle of it yet" I'd like to see it again before passing judgement, didn't sound good like you said, on Cleary in general he gets away with murder his style of play would have been more suitable at the weekend in the Six Nations rather than National Hurling League. What sums him up is the Munster Final last year where kept Gillane quiet until he got a yellow card and was taken to the cleaners thereafter.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 15:50:19
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Am only now catching up on the pages and pages of hand-wringing after yesterday's result (and yes, it was disastrous), but have to roll my eyes when I see somebody claiming that the split season is partly to blame.
If there was no split season and we still ran things as hurling one week and football the next, then two-thirds of all club hurlers (i.e. anyone who didn't make their county semi-final) still wouldn't have a had a club hurling match since the middle of last September. Only the county finalists would have had a club match since the end of September.
I just don't believe that the fact that most club hurlers were finished by early August last year instead of the middle of September (i.e. a six-week difference, more than five months ago) is making any concrete difference to what's happening at the moment.
On another note, one or two have claimed stuff along the lines of "not even Kilkenny in their prime gave us a tanking like that".
Gives me no pleasure whatsoever to type out the following scoreline, but there's the result of a League match played in Nowlan Park back in 2005:
Kilkenny 3-26, Wexford 0-5.
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "That's not fair at all. I've come on here plenty and praised the teams after a good result. One of the first to come on here after the Kilkenny game last year. Praised the effort after the Clare game. What irks me is listening to officials on podcasts and radio telling us everything is fine. It's ether lies or delusion. I've been consistent on this for ages as well. One solution I would have is to scrap this split season at club nonsense. Go back to pre-covid because it worked. Not perfect but I think it worked better than the current system. Is it a coincidence that our football champions have been performing better in their provincial championships while our senior champions at least, have really struggled coming out of the county." Well I remember reading you losing your mind here after Laois beat us in minor last year and barely a word after really good displays from the u20s in leinster semi final and final a week or 2 later, that's the lack of balance I'm talking about. I agree with you on split season but I would put this at the foot of the clubs, they had the power to change things but voted to keep the status quo, county chairman actually said in an interview last year alternate weekends akin to pre covid was his personal preference.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 15:59:20
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Replying To skillful: "Kildare beat Wexford Celtic Challenge Team...apparently your son is on the team but you don't know this basic information?? Wexford Celtic challenge team is not a development team it's a celtic challenge team, a competition of its own.
Wexford minors played the mighty Limerick today, 1st time they have had almost 1st 15 out & lost by 3pts. For context, Limerick won the Michael Foley Tournament at a canter last summer." Great to hear that Limerick are winning at underage, as well as at senior level. Success does breed success!
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Replying To Viking66: "Forgot about Ryan's injury. And yes Macs performance aside from a really well taken goal wasn't great. So I'd be all for the team you have named there. Still would have Dwyer ahead of Mcguckin and Hearne come championship though. Or maybe bring him on for Higgins if Higgins struggles against Cork." If Richie Lawlor could get back to play a part against Cork or Limerick that would be great but I suspect that's too tight a timeframe.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 27/02/2023 16:01:37
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Am only now catching up on the pages and pages of hand-wringing after yesterday's result (and yes, it was disastrous), but have to roll my eyes when I see somebody claiming that the split season is partly to blame.
If there was no split season and we still ran things as hurling one week and football the next, then two-thirds of all club hurlers (i.e. anyone who didn't make their county semi-final) still wouldn't have a had a club hurling match since the middle of last September. Only the county finalists would have had a club match since the end of September.
I just don't believe that the fact that most club hurlers were finished by early August last year instead of the middle of September (i.e. a six-week difference, more than five months ago) is making any concrete difference to what's happening at the moment.
On another note, one or two have claimed stuff along the lines of "not even Kilkenny in their prime gave us a tanking like that".
Gives me no pleasure whatsoever to type out the following scoreline, but there's the result of a League match played in Nowlan Park back in 2005:
Kilkenny 3-26, Wexford 0-5." Think I posted we lost the 2008 Leinster final by 19 points also..
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 27/02/2023 16:14:22
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