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Replying To Viking66: "Joe Barrett looked good but light during the club championships. Cian Molloy a good prospect too." There will be spot in the half back line available too with Paudie Foley in Australia.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That was particularly impressive.
Egan reached out to them in the summer to get them up to speed.
Ian carty is in alright. His father was telling me.
I'd like to see conal Clancy involved too. He's the complete player if he can tidy up shooting but that's easy enough to coach.
I can't wait for January.
Was talking to Egan a couple of weeks back and he's incredibly honest about where we went wrong last year.
If you take out a tiny bit of indecision with Dublin and westmesth there was a fairly handy leinster there for us.
I expect Galway to be better but a good few old heads.
Dublin should improve but they've lost a couple I don't think they can afford.
I have no idea what to expect from the old enemy, but you don't get bad kilkenny teams as such.
It's last chance saloon for some of our leaders and should be an intriguing year with some good young lads coming through.
Objectively, there's about a 3% chance we can win an all Ireland.
Another provincial title is 50/50 and a realistic target for me and would be great to get considering where we were a decade ago." I'd be reasonably confident coming up against Dublin next year, Crummey is a monumental loss for them, in the game in the Park we 100% lost that game rather than Dublin won it, balance of play we were easily 5-6 points a better team but our inefficiencies around frees (Chin didn't start), missed essentially an open goal and missed penalty gave Dublin the game. In the panel at the moment Chin and Dee are 30, Mogie, Fanning and O'Hanlon are 31 and Morris and Shaun Murphy 32 so can't go on forever. I must say Mogie and O'Hanlon were as good as ever this year and if Chin can get over his hamstring issues is capable of going to his mid 30s like TJ Reid, Eoin Cadogan etc.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That was particularly impressive.
Egan reached out to them in the summer to get them up to speed.
Ian carty is in alright. His father was telling me.
I'd like to see conal Clancy involved too. He's the complete player if he can tidy up shooting but that's easy enough to coach.
I can't wait for January.
Was talking to Egan a couple of weeks back and he's incredibly honest about where we went wrong last year.
If you take out a tiny bit of indecision with Dublin and westmesth there was a fairly handy leinster there for us.
I expect Galway to be better but a good few old heads.
Dublin should improve but they've lost a couple I don't think they can afford.
I have no idea what to expect from the old enemy, but you don't get bad kilkenny teams as such.
It's last chance saloon for some of our leaders and should be an intriguing year with some good young lads coming through.
Objectively, there's about a 3% chance we can win an all Ireland.
Another provincial title is 50/50 and a realistic target for me and would be great to get considering where we were a decade ago." Another provincial title would be excellent. But if not competing well in an AISF would be a good consolation prize. If we compete well from the start you never know what would happen in the following minutes and maybe fortnight.....
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "There will be spot in the half back line available too with Paudie Foley in Australia." If he comes back from his travels fit and rearing to give it his best shot I'd give that spot to Carthy.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I'd be reasonably confident coming up against Dublin next year, Crummey is a monumental loss for them, in the game in the Park we 100% lost that game rather than Dublin won it, balance of play we were easily 5-6 points a better team but our inefficiencies around frees (Chin didn't start), missed essentially an open goal and missed penalty gave Dublin the game. In the panel at the moment Chin and Dee are 30, Mogie, Fanning and O'Hanlon are 31 and Morris and Shaun Murphy 32 so can't go on forever. I must say Mogie and O'Hanlon were as good as ever this year and if Chin can get over his hamstring issues is capable of going to his mid 30s like TJ Reid, Eoin Cadogan etc." Shaun Murphy effectively missed the whole intercounty season last year. I'd say he and Morris would likely be on the bench come championship next year as Paul was this year. I'd like to see Lawlor given a proper go in goal during the Walsh Cup and League. With a view to possibly being a championship starter. Mogie MoH Chin, and Dee maybe too, are nailed on starters if they still influence games like they did this year for county and then club. Mogie was excellent and MoH was the best I've seen him in many years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 09/11/2022 18:05:01
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Paudie Foley is a huge loss but the half-back line is the one place where we seem to have a lot of depth. I personally think Jack O'Connor is best at wing-back but we're lighter in the forwards so he kinda has to play there instead. Connal Flood is an obvious choice to replace Paudie. I like Ian Carty but I usually think it takes time for lads to adapt to Senior Inter-County Hurling; he's 25 now which kind of exemplifies the problems with Davy as manager. Yes, he was a great manager for us but he never blooded in young lads. The things about blooding in young lads in the league is that when you play them, they tend to be raw and are probably one or two years away from being fully able to play at the highest level. But if you don't blood them in at all, then you won't have young players breaking into the starting XV in two year's time!
For me, we need to see the following seeing meaningful gametime in the league:
James Lawlor
Cian Molloy
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
Kyle Firman
Then there are others who mightn't be quite as ready as other but could still do with some gametime, such as:
Cian Byrne
Corey Byrne-Dunbar
Oisín Pepper
Darragh Carley
Jack Redmond
Joe Barrett
Conor Foley
Kyle Scallan
Tucker Foley (Still don't understand how he didn't start for the U20s)
If we give the above gametime in the league and develop them, I don't really care if we go that badly as long as we don't get relegated. I think Limerick have shown in the last few years that the league really isn't that important with regards to the Championship anyway.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Paudie Foley is a huge loss but the half-back line is the one place where we seem to have a lot of depth. I personally think Jack O'Connor is best at wing-back but we're lighter in the forwards so he kinda has to play there instead. Connal Flood is an obvious choice to replace Paudie. I like Ian Carty but I usually think it takes time for lads to adapt to Senior Inter-County Hurling; he's 25 now which kind of exemplifies the problems with Davy as manager. Yes, he was a great manager for us but he never blooded in young lads. The things about blooding in young lads in the league is that when you play them, they tend to be raw and are probably one or two years away from being fully able to play at the highest level. But if you don't blood them in at all, then you won't have young players breaking into the starting XV in two year's time!
For me, we need to see the following seeing meaningful gametime in the league:
James Lawlor
Cian Molloy
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
Kyle Firman
Then there are others who mightn't be quite as ready as other but could still do with some gametime, such as:
Cian Byrne
Corey Byrne-Dunbar
Oisín Pepper
Darragh Carley
Jack Redmond
Joe Barrett
Conor Foley
Kyle Scallan
Tucker Foley (Still don't understand how he didn't start for the U20s)
If we give the above gametime in the league and develop them, I don't really care if we go that badly as long as we don't get relegated. I think Limerick have shown in the last few years that the league really isn't that important with regards to the Championship anyway." I'm not sure if Egan trusts Flood in the defence, was told in the Dublin game it was identified that alot of Dublin's play came down his wing, he didn't start in the championship after that, would like to see him get a go in midfield or half forward line even during the league, different level I understand but he was outstanding at centre forward for Cloughbawn in the relegation final even if the result didn't go their way. Finally, I presume you mean Tucker Kinsella rather than Foley.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 09/11/2022 19:09:33
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Paudie Foley is a huge loss but the half-back line is the one place where we seem to have a lot of depth. I personally think Jack O'Connor is best at wing-back but we're lighter in the forwards so he kinda has to play there instead. Connal Flood is an obvious choice to replace Paudie. I like Ian Carty but I usually think it takes time for lads to adapt to Senior Inter-County Hurling; he's 25 now which kind of exemplifies the problems with Davy as manager. Yes, he was a great manager for us but he never blooded in young lads. The things about blooding in young lads in the league is that when you play them, they tend to be raw and are probably one or two years away from being fully able to play at the highest level. But if you don't blood them in at all, then you won't have young players breaking into the starting XV in two year's time!
For me, we need to see the following seeing meaningful gametime in the league:
James Lawlor
Cian Molloy
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
Kyle Firman
Then there are others who mightn't be quite as ready as other but could still do with some gametime, such as:
Cian Byrne
Corey Byrne-Dunbar
Oisín Pepper
Darragh Carley
Jack Redmond
Joe Barrett
Conor Foley
Kyle Scallan
Tucker Foley (Still don't understand how he didn't start for the U20s)
If we give the above gametime in the league and develop them, I don't really care if we go that badly as long as we don't get relegated. I think Limerick have shown in the last few years that the league really isn't that important with regards to the Championship anyway." Just following up on this i don't know if the stupid rule about players playing u20 and Senior championship will still be there next year but Conor Foley,Darragh Carley,Corey Byrne Dunbar, Cian Byrne, Jack Redmond and Oisin Pepper will still be u20 next year, add in Luke Murphy a year younger than them who was outstanding for the Harriers this year, agree on the last couple of sentences but supporters need to realise this too, remember people losing their minds earlier this year after we got hammered by Dublin in the Walsh cup.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 09/11/2022 21:18:48
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I'm not sure if Egan trusts Flood in the defence, was told in the Dublin game it was identified that alot of Dublin's play came down his wing, he didn't start in the championship after that, would like to see him get a go in midfield or half forward line even during the league, different level I understand but he was outstanding at centre forward for Cloughbawn in the relegation final even if the result didn't go their way. Finally, I presume you mean Tucker Kinsella rather than Foley." Yeah, I do mean Tucker Kinsella instead of Tucker Foley, silly mistake on my part!
In Connal Flood's defence, I don't think it's out of the question that he'll improve defensively. After all, last year was the first time he started Championship games for Wexford, could well be a case of him just needing time to adjust to the demands of the game at Championship level.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 239 - 09/11/2022 21:38:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Paudie Foley is a huge loss but the half-back line is the one place where we seem to have a lot of depth. I personally think Jack O'Connor is best at wing-back but we're lighter in the forwards so he kinda has to play there instead. Connal Flood is an obvious choice to replace Paudie. I like Ian Carty but I usually think it takes time for lads to adapt to Senior Inter-County Hurling; he's 25 now which kind of exemplifies the problems with Davy as manager. Yes, he was a great manager for us but he never blooded in young lads. The things about blooding in young lads in the league is that when you play them, they tend to be raw and are probably one or two years away from being fully able to play at the highest level. But if you don't blood them in at all, then you won't have young players breaking into the starting XV in two year's time!
For me, we need to see the following seeing meaningful gametime in the league:
James Lawlor
Cian Molloy
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
Kyle Firman
Then there are others who mightn't be quite as ready as other but could still do with some gametime, such as:
Cian Byrne
Corey Byrne-Dunbar
Oisín Pepper
Darragh Carley
Jack Redmond
Joe Barrett
Conor Foley
Kyle Scallan
Tucker Foley (Still don't understand how he didn't start for the U20s)
If we give the above gametime in the league and develop them, I don't really care if we go that badly as long as we don't get relegated. I think Limerick have shown in the last few years that the league really isn't that important with regards to the Championship anyway." My bad forgot Cian Byrne. Think he would be ahead of Carley as regards ready for Senior.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 10/11/2022 07:01:02
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I'm not sure if Egan trusts Flood in the defence, was told in the Dublin game it was identified that alot of Dublin's play came down his wing, he didn't start in the championship after that, would like to see him get a go in midfield or half forward line even during the league, different level I understand but he was outstanding at centre forward for Cloughbawn in the relegation final even if the result didn't go their way. Finally, I presume you mean Tucker Kinsella rather than Foley." Flood was a forward underage too. Don't think he has the natural instincts to be a defender. Maybe better at wing forward looking ahead.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 10/11/2022 07:02:44
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Just following up on this i don't know if the stupid rule about players playing u20 and Senior championship will still be there next year but Conor Foley,Darragh Carley,Corey Byrne Dunbar, Cian Byrne, Jack Redmond and Oisin Pepper will still be u20 next year, add in Luke Murphy a year younger than them who was outstanding for the Harriers this year, agree on the last couple of sentences but supporters need to realise this too, remember people losing their minds earlier this year after we got hammered by Dublin in the Walsh cup." It might be back to u21 next year too. Or will that be brought in for 2024 if approved? Are you there Pikeman?!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 10/11/2022 08:01:01
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Replying To Viking66: "It might be back to u21 next year too. Or will that be brought in for 2024 if approved? Are you there Pikeman?!!!!" I'm here all right, but can't answer that one. There's something going on at national level about underage grades and whether minor should be set at U17, U18, or it being left to each county to decide for themselves. Whatever's decided there will have a knock-on effect for U19/20/21, and for now, it's anybody's guess what might happen.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'm here all right, but can't answer that one. There's something going on at national level about underage grades and whether minor should be set at U17, U18, or it being left to each county to decide for themselves. Whatever's decided there will have a knock-on effect for U19/20/21, and for now, it's anybody's guess what might happen." Just wondering do people have strong views on this? I'm not sure as each age grade scenario had different positives and negatives, I must say I'm totally against the idea of u18s not being allowed play adult which I think is the county board preference.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 10/11/2022 13:14:33
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Just to clarify I'm against the idea of moving from u17s not allowed play adult to u18s not allowed play adult.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 10/11/2022 13:15:32
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I'm here all right, but can't answer that one. There's something going on at national level about underage grades and whether minor should be set at U17, U18, or it being left to each county to decide for themselves. Whatever's decided there will have a knock-on effect for U19/20/21, and for now, it's anybody's guess what might happen." Thanks Pikeman! Good coverage of the u19s in the People Paper. How were the divisions decided? Is there promotion and relegation? Seems alot of clubs haven't entered at all.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/wexford-gaa-results-and-fixtures-42127538.html
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/hotshot-whitty-steals-the-show-as-taghmon-camross-prove-too-strong-for-gusserane-42125739.html
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/cummins-runs-riot-in-big-bannow-ballymitty-victory-42125707.html
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I posted that on the wrong thread being as its u19 football.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Just wondering do people have strong views on this? I'm not sure as each age grade scenario had different positives and negatives, I must say I'm totally against the idea of u18s not being allowed play adult which I think is the county board preference." And I'm totally in favour of it, because I believe it's absolutely essential to allow both U18 and adult championships to be run properly. Otherwise we'd be back to the bad old days of minor championships being held up because a relatively small number of minor players (in the grand scale of things) are also lining out at adult level, or even adult championships being held up because minor championships are at a certain stage.
But I'll give you the opportunity to change my mind, by answering this - when or how would you actually play the minor championships, if minor players are allowed to play adult grades too?
Bear these things in mind:
- Can't play minor club championships during March/April/early May, because that's when the county minor teams are in action.
- Can't play it during late May/June on account of the Leaving Cert.
- July through to October is taken up with the adult championships.
So what would you do? Play minor games midweek between July and October?
Bear in mind that minor championships generally involve up to five or six group games in hurling and the same in football. So you'd be horsing these young lads with at least 10 or 12 matches in between the adult matches they're also playing. Not to mention the impact it would have on their training with minor & adult teams. And also bear in mind how some are uneasy even with the U19 Hurling being played midweek this year during the adult hurling, even though U19 only involved three (at most) group games.
You'd probably have to drastically reduce the number of games in the minor championships, which would hardly be fair to the vast majority of minor players who don't also play at adult level.
So, after all that.....what would you do?
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Replying To Viking66: "Thanks Pikeman! Good coverage of the u19s in the People Paper. How were the divisions decided? Is there promotion and relegation? Seems alot of clubs haven't entered at all.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/wexford-gaa-results-and-fixtures-42127538.html
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/hotshot-whitty-steals-the-show-as-taghmon-camross-prove-too-strong-for-gusserane-42125739.html
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/cummins-runs-riot-in-big-bannow-ballymitty-victory-42125707.html" Teams would have been graded by recommendations of the CCC. They would have looked at the U17 competitions of two years ago to get an idea of who should go where, and there's generally an opportunity for clubs to speak up at a County Board meeting if they feel they haven't been graded fairly.
As regards promotion/relegation....I don't think that's ever applied in U19/20/21 in the same way it applies at adult level. There's definitely no relegation playoffs anyway. And even winning Div. 2 (for example) wouldn't necessarily mean you'd be promoted to Div. 1 the following year, because most of your winning players might be going overage, and you might have a weaker group coming along behind them. So again, grading the following year would be based on the relevant results from the younger age group in an earlier year.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2243 - 10/11/2022 14:38:22
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