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Replying To Afinestick: "Fully agree would like to see likes of Kyle Scallan and Ross Banville get a start v Clare. Ian Carty needs more game time too he could well be a championship starter as we are lacking options in the half back line" I think Carthy had his best game for Wexford yet. Got on alot of ball going forwards and made more runs again to get on a lot more if he had been spotted. Played some good ball into the forwards too. Think he will be disappointed with the wides but in general his shooting is usually good. Most importantly he didn't let the ball get behind him which kept some of the pressure off the fullback line, took up good covering positions when Westmeath were attacking, won some dirty ball, was up and down the pitch the entire time he was on it, and kept the men he was marking scoreless from play. It was noticeable also when he got replaced by Jacko that we were missing something for the last 15 minutes of the game in the middle 3rd. At the end of the day we need backs who can defend primarily. Any points they score would be a bonus. On a better day he could've had 5 from play. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 12:38:47 2458053 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I think Carthy had his best game for Wexford yet. Got on alot of ball going forwards and made more runs again to get on a lot more if he had been spotted. Played some good ball into the forwards too. Think he will be disappointed with the wides but in general his shooting is usually good. Most importantly he didn't let the ball get behind him which kept some of the pressure off the fullback line, took up good covering positions when Westmeath were attacking, won some dirty ball, was up and down the pitch the entire time he was on it, and kept the men he was marking scoreless from play. It was noticeable also when he got replaced by Jacko that we were missing something for the last 15 minutes of the game in the middle 3rd. At the end of the day we need backs who can defend primarily. Any points they score would be a bonus. On a better day he could've had 5 from play." On Carty he's so good on the ball and comfortable going forward I wonder could he even be an option for midfield and half forward line, looks to me like a lad who would be comfortable in a few different positions. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/02/2023 12:47:11 2458056 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "Heard the minors were beaten by Kildare on Saturday . Given the schools struggles in Leinster what has gone wrong with underage hurling in the county? I hate to say it but it seems we are slipping again" Yeah the form of the schools this year was worrying, might be a case too that Kildare have a good team this year like Laois and Offaly last year, alot of work been done up there by all accounts but still worrying from our perspective. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/02/2023 12:51:13 2458059 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "Heard the minors were beaten by Kildare on Saturday . Given the schools struggles in Leinster what has gone wrong with underage hurling in the county? I hate to say it but it seems we are slipping again" First up Kildare have around the same number of hurlers we have and have been making massive strides at underage in general over the last 10 years. Alot of their underage club teams are playing Kilkenny clubs underage teams on a regular basis. Secondly would you be a believer that it's the schools rather than the clubs which have a greater influence on young players' development? Or do you think its both? Thirdly I think part of it could be the way parents and pupils select their secondary school these days. Bridgetown, Adamstown and Ramsgrange are far better schools than they were back in the day and buses are harder to get to schools which aren't your local school. Out of interest are our B and C hurling schools doing any better? If so that might be explained by the 3rd point above. If not maybe you are right and we are all doomed!!!!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 12:51:41 2458060 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "On Carty he's so good on the ball and comfortable going forward I wonder could he even be an option for midfield and half forward line, looks to me like a lad who would be comfortable in a few different positions." He's always been a halfback though. I get what Onfor15 was saying a lad can play anywhere these days not just where he plays for his club but Carty won an all star nomination playing centreback for the Wexford u21s. Halfback is a position he's very experienced at and understands well. And I think the current panel is lacking in experienced mobile halfbacks more so than midfielders and half forwards at the minute. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 13:02:00 2458062 Link
Replying To Viking66: "He's always been a halfback though. I get what Onfor15 was saying a lad can play anywhere these days not just where he plays for his club but Carty won an all star nomination playing centreback for the Wexford u21s. Halfback is a position he's very experienced at and understands well. And I think the current panel is lacking in experienced mobile halfbacks more so than midfielders and half forwards at the minute." He played midfield and half forward for the minors in 2015 from my memory, I agree we do need options around half back line just making the point he looks like a lad who would be just as comfortable further up the field which isn't the case with alot of backs. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/02/2023 13:12:38 2458065 Link
Replying To Viking66: "First up Kildare have around the same number of hurlers we have and have been making massive strides at underage in general over the last 10 years. Alot of their underage club teams are playing Kilkenny clubs underage teams on a regular basis. Secondly would you be a believer that it's the schools rather than the clubs which have a greater influence on young players' development? Or do you think its both? Thirdly I think part of it could be the way parents and pupils select their secondary school these days. Bridgetown, Adamstown and Ramsgrange are far better schools than they were back in the day and buses are harder to get to schools which aren't your local school. Out of interest are our B and C hurling schools doing any better? If so that might be explained by the 3rd point above. If not maybe you are right and we are all doomed!!!!!" You could be right perhaps the rural schools are becoming more popular for students . I just hope we aren't going back to the days of the noughties where we neglected our underage and it took us years to become competitive again Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 13/02/2023 13:16:19 2458066 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "You could be right perhaps the rural schools are becoming more popular for students . I just hope we aren't going back to the days of the noughties where we neglected our underage and it took us years to become competitive again" I don't think we'll ever go back to the days of neglecting underage in fairness, alot of it comes down to natural ability too, with all the talk of the structures in Limerick and I'm sure there top of the range nothing can legislate for the generation of players that were born between 1994-96 that is the backbone of their current team, I don't think any underage structure can create than but it can facilitate them fulfilling their potential, every county will have strong and weaker under age teams Limerick themselves have had some average minor or u20 teams in the last few years I suppose the main thing is to have everything in place the facilitate the young lads progression. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/02/2023 13:45:54 2458074 Link
With all the money being thrown around Wexford GAA could we not appoint a schools development officer in charge of the development of secondary school hurlers. Work in Peters, Wexford CBS, Enniscorthy, Good Counsel and Gorey Community. Skills development - training sessions that the teachers can also attend and learn from. Add to that the S&C development for underage and it would be money well spent. Im sick of hearing about great work being done in the Kildares and Westmeaths and Offalys of this world as they seem to result in overnight success at some grade while we still seem to at a standstill. Look at the size of the U20s Irish rugby team this weekend - those lads are ready for the step up to the senior team - why do our under age lads look so slight and small? Sort it out Michael Martin - fancy light shows, and ACDC blaring out at Wexford park at a huge cost ( a few hundred thousand maybe? ) for two (meaningless) matches played in January and February was not he best way to spend the funds in my honest opinion Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 13/02/2023 13:59:44 2458082 Link
Replying To Yellow: "With all the money being thrown around Wexford GAA could we not appoint a schools development officer in charge of the development of secondary school hurlers. Work in Peters, Wexford CBS, Enniscorthy, Good Counsel and Gorey Community. Skills development - training sessions that the teachers can also attend and learn from. Add to that the S&C development for underage and it would be money well spent. Im sick of hearing about great work being done in the Kildares and Westmeaths and Offalys of this world as they seem to result in overnight success at some grade while we still seem to at a standstill. Look at the size of the U20s Irish rugby team this weekend - those lads are ready for the step up to the senior team - why do our under age lads look so slight and small? Sort it out Michael Martin - fancy light shows, and ACDC blaring out at Wexford park at a huge cost ( a few hundred thousand maybe? ) for two (meaningless) matches played in January and February was not he best way to spend the funds in my honest opinion" 1. I think there is work being done in the schools in terms of coaching, S&C etc. as far as I know suppose we should strive to have this is all secondary schools across the board. 2. Don't think the improvement in Kildare and Offaly happened overnight, years have hard work has gone in there especially Kildare. 3. Comparing GAA players to rugby players who are probably in a full time set up in provincial academies is just daft. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/02/2023 14:35:59 2458090 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "You could be right perhaps the rural schools are becoming more popular for students . I just hope we aren't going back to the days of the noughties where we neglected our underage and it took us years to become competitive again" Same as. I really hope that's not the case. I don't really know how our intercounty underage set up is organised. At the club we have some managers and mentors who played to a decent standard but the majority of us are very much enthusiastic amateurs who didn't play to any significant level. What we are going to try and do is get some of the better current players involved even if only for an hour here and there to show the lads some of what they know. Noone from any Wexford county set up did any sessions with our u11s last year. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 15:11:19 2458102 Link
Replying To Yellow: "With all the money being thrown around Wexford GAA could we not appoint a schools development officer in charge of the development of secondary school hurlers. Work in Peters, Wexford CBS, Enniscorthy, Good Counsel and Gorey Community. Skills development - training sessions that the teachers can also attend and learn from. Add to that the S&C development for underage and it would be money well spent. Im sick of hearing about great work being done in the Kildares and Westmeaths and Offalys of this world as they seem to result in overnight success at some grade while we still seem to at a standstill. Look at the size of the U20s Irish rugby team this weekend - those lads are ready for the step up to the senior team - why do our under age lads look so slight and small? Sort it out Michael Martin - fancy light shows, and ACDC blaring out at Wexford park at a huge cost ( a few hundred thousand maybe? ) for two (meaningless) matches played in January and February was not he best way to spend the funds in my honest opinion" Firstly those 2 matches made alot of money rather than cost alot of money. Secondly why should there be a hurling development officer just for those 5 schools? And what about a football development officer? Thirdly would it not be better to have decent quality coaches spending time with the various underage teams at all the clubs? And maybe some of the better known current intercounty players could be paid expenses to do the same? Imagine the lift those young lads would get out of Lee, Dee, Mac or some of the footballers like Ben taking just one session with them at u12? It might encourage some of the better younger sportsmen and women, who usually are the ones good at all the sports, to stick with hurling or football rather than soccer, rugby or the myriad of other sports they could take up these days. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 15:22:09 2458106 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Same as. I really hope that's not the case. I don't really know how our intercounty underage set up is organised. At the club we have some managers and mentors who played to a decent standard but the majority of us are very much enthusiastic amateurs who didn't play to any significant level. What we are going to try and do is get some of the better current players involved even if only for an hour here and there to show the lads some of what they know. Noone from any Wexford county set up did any sessions with our u11s last year." And by set up I don't mean the current intercounty teams. I'm talking about whoever the underage coaches are, assuming we have any. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 15:25:30 2458108 Link
Replying To Yellow: "With all the money being thrown around Wexford GAA could we not appoint a schools development officer in charge of the development of secondary school hurlers. Work in Peters, Wexford CBS, Enniscorthy, Good Counsel and Gorey Community. Skills development - training sessions that the teachers can also attend and learn from. Add to that the S&C development for underage and it would be money well spent. Im sick of hearing about great work being done in the Kildares and Westmeaths and Offalys of this world as they seem to result in overnight success at some grade while we still seem to at a standstill. Look at the size of the U20s Irish rugby team this weekend - those lads are ready for the step up to the senior team - why do our under age lads look so slight and small? Sort it out Michael Martin - fancy light shows, and ACDC blaring out at Wexford park at a huge cost ( a few hundred thousand maybe? ) for two (meaningless) matches played in January and February was not he best way to spend the funds in my honest opinion" Light shows are at no cost ACDC is a simple PA system The hurling match v Kilkenny in the Walsh Cup probably brought in about 75,000 to the Wexford Coffers. Why would a teacher in a school have to attend a skills session, some teachers couldnt care less about hurling or football Kildare and Westmeath hurling will get an obvious boost because to be fair they are starting at the bottom of the barrel. There is a full time High Performance Hurling director in Wexford now funded by Wexford GAA with a remit for shcools, squads, club and county. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 13/02/2023 16:25:44 2458131 Link
As I see it we must improve significantly to come anyway close to the big boys in the round Robin series this year. Rory, Mathew, Chin and to a lesser extent Jacko will add strength and experience. Let's hope the injuries clear up and the above-mentioned get some gametime under their belts before the serious business starts in April. A little worried about D Okeeffe. He hasn't hit top form so far but I'm sure he will up his game pretty soon. The wides count is simply unacceptable and I'm sure Darragh is working on that poor aspect of our play.we have a good crop of players now and the new kids are getting plenty of minutes on the pitch, unlike when Davy was here. A win against Clare would boost morale and looking at them and Limerick its very possible but only if we bring our A game. Limerick and Cork are going to be tough assignments with both of them away, but if we can live with them over the two games and not cave in then it will be good preparation for later on. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 541 - 13/02/2023 16:29:16 2458132 Link
Replying To Viking66: "First up Kildare have around the same number of hurlers we have and have been making massive strides at underage in general over the last 10 years. Alot of their underage club teams are playing Kilkenny clubs underage teams on a regular basis. Secondly would you be a believer that it's the schools rather than the clubs which have a greater influence on young players' development? Or do you think its both? Thirdly I think part of it could be the way parents and pupils select their secondary school these days. Bridgetown, Adamstown and Ramsgrange are far better schools than they were back in the day and buses are harder to get to schools which aren't your local school. Out of interest are our B and C hurling schools doing any better? If so that might be explained by the 3rd point above. If not maybe you are right and we are all doomed!!!!!" Get rid of development squads and focus on the schools. The bigger schools tend to have their own in house coaches anyway but could always do better. We need to broaden the catchment and schools are the best place to do it. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2028 - 13/02/2023 16:31:16 2458134 Link
Replying To Magpie2: "As I see it we must improve significantly to come anyway close to the big boys in the round Robin series this year. Rory, Mathew, Chin and to a lesser extent Jacko will add strength and experience. Let's hope the injuries clear up and the above-mentioned get some gametime under their belts before the serious business starts in April. A little worried about D Okeeffe. He hasn't hit top form so far but I'm sure he will up his game pretty soon. The wides count is simply unacceptable and I'm sure Darragh is working on that poor aspect of our play.we have a good crop of players now and the new kids are getting plenty of minutes on the pitch, unlike when Davy was here. A win against Clare would boost morale and looking at them and Limerick its very possible but only if we bring our A game. Limerick and Cork are going to be tough assignments with both of them away, but if we can live with them over the two games and not cave in then it will be good preparation for later on." We have Oisin Foley coming back too. I really hope he can build on last year. Fully agree if we can get a win v Clare with 2 very competitive performances against Cork and Limerick we will have had an okay league and blooded a lot of players . The challenge then is keeping everyone fit and injury free come championship which is only 2 months away now Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 13/02/2023 17:49:47 2458151 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Something like the below if all fit I would like to see start against Clare. Lawlor S Reck Ryan N Murphy Scallan O'Hanlon if up to speed, if not 1 of D Reck or Donohoe Carty Flood McGuckin Jacko Liam Og Hearne Banville Conor Mc Byrne Dunbar Would be great if Rory was in contention to play a part, given he's only about 10 mins in total in the last 7-8 months hard to see him been in a position to start." Hopefully Shane Reck will be fit. Almost certain Ryan won't be. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16693 - 13/02/2023 18:12:33 2458153 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I don't think we'll ever go back to the days of neglecting underage in fairness, alot of it comes down to natural ability too, with all the talk of the structures in Limerick and I'm sure there top of the range nothing can legislate for the generation of players that were born between 1994-96 that is the backbone of their current team, I don't think any underage structure can create than but it can facilitate them fulfilling their potential, every county will have strong and weaker under age teams Limerick themselves have had some average minor or u20 teams in the last few years I suppose the main thing is to have everything in place the facilitate the young lads progression." Yes TF, well put. This team is built around U21 Munster winning Champs 2011, Hannon, Dowling and Mulcahy, 2015 Finn, Mile Casey, English, Byrnes, Hegarty, DDO, Tom Morrissey and P Ryan and 2017, Hayes, Peter Casey, Gulland and of course Cian Lynch. William O'D never played U21 as he was in America for those Summers. Donal Og is inclined to say Limerick 'stole a March on everyone else' in terms of special tuition, S7C etc, but that is only old Cork nonsense. The fact is as Mick Mackey said about his team of the thirties/early forties 'a great crop of players just came along all at once' . That is what happened again in Limerick, even it was eighty years later. Counties like LK, WX, Clare Galway, Offaly etc will never produce great teams that often, the numbers are just not there. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4518 - 13/02/2023 19:46:50 2458164 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "Light shows are at no cost ACDC is a simple PA system The hurling match v Kilkenny in the Walsh Cup probably brought in about 75,000 to the Wexford Coffers. Why would a teacher in a school have to attend a skills session, some teachers couldnt care less about hurling or football Kildare and Westmeath hurling will get an obvious boost because to be fair they are starting at the bottom of the barrel. There is a full time High Performance Hurling director in Wexford now funded by Wexford GAA with a remit for shcools, squads, club and county." Light shows cost nothing? You can't have light shows without floodlights Floodlights are totally redundant come championship - I am sure they cost a fortune to put up and will result in a fairly hefty ESB bill for Wexford park too I just think that money could have been invested in player development Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 13/02/2023 20:06:34 2458167 Link