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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Probably need to see what the panel looks like before forming any expectations to be fair.

If some of the old guard give it one more year we are capable of winning Leinster.

If there's a rebuild which I suspect there will be, it will be year 3 before we see the best of them"
Well done on tempering the expectations! explain how you believe based on past history you would expect the old guard to win Leinster.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1904 - 05/09/2023 03:47:20    2503094

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Replying To zinny:  "Well done on tempering the expectations! explain how you believe based on past history you would expect the old guard to win Leinster."
For next year my expectation would be compete well in the league in every game aiming for at least 2/3 wins leaving us in good shape going into Championship. The minimum aim for championship has to be to beat Carlow, Antrim , Dublin. Our record against Dublin has been shocking. I could be wrong but I think we've only beaten them once since 2007 in championship

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 05/09/2023 09:57:33    2503104

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Replying To Viking66:  "Another problem with 4g pitches for hurling is the sliotar doesn't seem to bounce up at all."
A sliotar would bounce better on a 4G pitch than it would on Oylegate or wherever in the winter months!
I have pucked around on a 4G pitch here a few times over the winter and its not perfect I'll give you that but it is much better than a grassy pitch. Its the same for everybody anyway.
Only issue I have with 4G pitches is injuries, hitting them is sorer than a GAA pitch even at the height of summer.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1790 - 05/09/2023 09:58:55    2503106

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "A sliotar would bounce better on a 4G pitch than it would on Oylegate or wherever in the winter months!
I have pucked around on a 4G pitch here a few times over the winter and its not perfect I'll give you that but it is much better than a grassy pitch. Its the same for everybody anyway.
Only issue I have with 4G pitches is injuries, hitting them is sorer than a GAA pitch even at the height of summer."
Maybe it's because the 4g half pitch is new it's so soft. But it's definitely alot softer than our grass pitches even now after the 2 months of rain.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14165 - 05/09/2023 11:02:18    2503115

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Replying To Afinestick:  "For next year my expectation would be compete well in the league in every game aiming for at least 2/3 wins leaving us in good shape going into Championship. The minimum aim for championship has to be to beat Carlow, Antrim , Dublin. Our record against Dublin has been shocking. I could be wrong but I think we've only beaten them once since 2007 in championship"
Record against Dublin is shocking I think you are right with your statistic. Rossiter flagged up the need to win a couple of League games also.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/there-is-a-challenge-there-but-i-believe-the-players-are-there-to-do-it-keith-rossiter-relishing-wexford-hurling-job/a1766529866.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/keith-rossiter-facing-challenges-if-wexford-are-to-rise-up-again/a1126455396.html

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14165 - 05/09/2023 11:04:21    2503116

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Replying To Viking66:  "Maybe it's because the 4g half pitch is new it's so soft. But it's definitely alot softer than our grass pitches even now after the 2 months of rain."
Rugby has specific standards for their pitches before they can be used for games. The GAA have guidelines, perhaps they should be updated to regulations as well.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1904 - 05/09/2023 14:59:43    2503160

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Replying To zinny:  "Well done on tempering the expectations! explain how you believe based on past history you would expect the old guard to win Leinster."
I didn't say I expect it. I sa they're capable of it.

It's not an expectation so much as an ambition.

We were poor this year, but still two pucks of a ball away from a Leinster final.

If we'd played to our potential, both Dublin and westmeath were winnable games. You could argue harder to lose than to win if we're honest with ourselves but we found a way.

Our record against Galway is poor.

Put record against kilkenny is excellent.

You can afford to lose a game and still make the final and then anything can happen.

This is not an unreasonable ambition with our best team, the right prep and a bit of luck

If we don't believe that, then what is the point?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3239 - 05/09/2023 15:43:31    2503178

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I didn't say I expect it. I sa they're capable of it.

It's not an expectation so much as an ambition.

We were poor this year, but still two pucks of a ball away from a Leinster final.

If we'd played to our potential, both Dublin and westmeath were winnable games. You could argue harder to lose than to win if we're honest with ourselves but we found a way.

Our record against Galway is poor.

Put record against kilkenny is excellent.

You can afford to lose a game and still make the final and then anything can happen.

This is not an unreasonable ambition with our best team, the right prep and a bit of luck

If we don't believe that, then what is the point?"
I would agree minimum expectation should be third place in Leinster and the ambition of the squad should be to reach a Leinster final at least.

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 05/09/2023 16:13:40    2503188

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I didn't say I expect it. I sa they're capable of it.

It's not an expectation so much as an ambition.

We were poor this year, but still two pucks of a ball away from a Leinster final.

If we'd played to our potential, both Dublin and westmeath were winnable games. You could argue harder to lose than to win if we're honest with ourselves but we found a way.

Our record against Galway is poor.

Put record against kilkenny is excellent.

You can afford to lose a game and still make the final and then anything can happen.

This is not an unreasonable ambition with our best team, the right prep and a bit of luck

If we don't believe that, then what is the point?"
Our problem is lack of consistency are these players going yo get that consistency now their older?

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 05/09/2023 16:23:16    2503193

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Our problem is lack of consistency are these players going yo get that consistency now their older?"
To be fair the players we're discussing were very consistent up to last year.

With a tighter regime this is easily corrected.

I cannot overstate the importance of a good psychologist

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3239 - 05/09/2023 16:44:50    2503195

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair the players we're discussing were very consistent up to last year.

With a tighter regime this is easily corrected.

I cannot overstate the importance of a good psychologist"
Agree Doylerwex. Hopefully we get 1 or 2 new lads put their hand up too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14165 - 05/09/2023 17:49:08    2503202

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Replying To Afinestick:  "For next year my expectation would be compete well in the league in every game aiming for at least 2/3 wins leaving us in good shape going into Championship. The minimum aim for championship has to be to beat Carlow, Antrim , Dublin. Our record against Dublin has been shocking. I could be wrong but I think we've only beaten them once since 2007 in championship"
Beat Dublin by 1 point in 2007
Beat them by 3 points after a replay in 2008
Lost by 2 points in 2009
Lost to them by around 8 points after a replay in 2013
Lost to them by 5 points in 2014
Lost to them by 13 points in 2016
Beat them by 2 points in 2018
Drew with them in 2019
Lost to them by 1 point in 2022
Lost to them by 2 points in 2023

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 361 - 05/09/2023 18:29:33    2503206

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair the players we're discussing were very consistent up to last year.

With a tighter regime this is easily corrected.

I cannot overstate the importance of a good psychologist"
Yes Doyler a psychologist is a must I feel. Remember Niamh Fitzpatrick in 96.
Limerick have said openly that having a psychologist helped them get to where they are now. It will cost a few Bob but it might make all the difference. No guarantees of course but with a strong backroom team ticking all the boxes it may give us the edge in tight games. Some will laugh at the thought of a psychologist but it is used extensibility across professional sport.
So if its good enough for them then surely it's good enough for us.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 06/09/2023 08:33:41    2503229

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You lads think you are better than Dublin but as you can see above, your record tells the real story.
The thing is, Wexford probably have better hurlers than Dublin but Dublin have their number and have for a good few years.
Its very easy to be "Oh we should beat Dublin". But you haven't. Even that 2018 win in Wexford Park, Dublin were the better team that day and were robbed (fair and square, no complaint).
Just pointing out that a team you think you are superior to, the reality is you are not.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1267 - 06/09/2023 11:38:46    2503262

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I get that people in Wexford feel a psychologist is needed, but with all due respect its a different era from the romance of 96.
Limerick are where they are on the back of development squads which were out of this world. Lead by Anthony Daly and Joe McKenna was it?
The psychologist might have got that final 1%, but Wexford (and many other) need the coaching 10% before that 1% becomes a factor. I think coaches being sent around schools, and combined colleges being re-launched, are much more important.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1267 - 06/09/2023 11:41:24    2503263

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "You lads think you are better than Dublin but as you can see above, your record tells the real story.
The thing is, Wexford probably have better hurlers than Dublin but Dublin have their number and have for a good few years.
Its very easy to be "Oh we should beat Dublin". But you haven't. Even that 2018 win in Wexford Park, Dublin were the better team that day and were robbed (fair and square, no complaint).
Just pointing out that a team you think you are superior to, the reality is you are not."
Your absolutely right in the head to head.

I think the reason people feel this way is because of each of our performances against munster opposition.

Wexford are more consistent than Dublin over the course of a season in my opinion

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3239 - 06/09/2023 12:57:32    2503283

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I get that people in Wexford feel a psychologist is needed, but with all due respect its a different era from the romance of 96.
Limerick are where they are on the back of development squads which were out of this world. Lead by Anthony Daly and Joe McKenna was it?
The psychologist might have got that final 1%, but Wexford (and many other) need the coaching 10% before that 1% becomes a factor. I think coaches being sent around schools, and combined colleges being re-launched, are much more important."
100% - lads seem to think that a 4G pitch and a psychologist are the answers to all our problems.

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 06/09/2023 13:05:20    2503286

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I get that people in Wexford feel a psychologist is needed, but with all due respect its a different era from the romance of 96.
Limerick are where they are on the back of development squads which were out of this world. Lead by Anthony Daly and Joe McKenna was it?
The psychologist might have got that final 1%, but Wexford (and many other) need the coaching 10% before that 1% becomes a factor. I think coaches being sent around schools, and combined colleges being re-launched, are much more important."
I disagree. It's not about romance. Listen to cían lynch speech. He thanked John Kiely, then their sport psychologist second.

Our players are already well coached. They are standout performers at fitzgibbon level.

When a person is not entirely focused they do foolish things and make poor decisions without commitment

Limerick are well coached but the don't think about what to do with the ball in real time, they just do it. This is not physical, it is mental.

Compare that to Liam Ryan, Oisín pepper or even dok again Dublin the last 2 years not being able to decide whether to take a shot or not. If we had a good sports psychologist both of those results could have changed based on these seemingly unimportant decisions.

The margins are that fine.

We could be looking back on two Leinster finals instead of facing Joe mac and having the big media witch hunt.

What niamh Fitzpatrick did set the standard for the game going forward.

She turned talented losers into champions by changing the attitudes of the leaders within the group.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3239 - 06/09/2023 13:06:25    2503288

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I disagree. It's not about romance. Listen to cían lynch speech. He thanked John Kiely, then their sport psychologist second.

Our players are already well coached. They are standout performers at fitzgibbon level.

When a person is not entirely focused they do foolish things and make poor decisions without commitment

Limerick are well coached but the don't think about what to do with the ball in real time, they just do it. This is not physical, it is mental.

Compare that to Liam Ryan, Oisín pepper or even dok again Dublin the last 2 years not being able to decide whether to take a shot or not. If we had a good sports psychologist both of those results could have changed based on these seemingly unimportant decisions.

The margins are that fine.

We could be looking back on two Leinster finals instead of facing Joe mac and having the big media witch hunt.

What niamh Fitzpatrick did set the standard for the game going forward.

She turned talented losers into champions by changing the attitudes of the leaders within the group."
Spot on Doyler. A psychologist Might be the missing link. A winning formula consists of management, coaching, commitment, belief, never give up attitude,focus focus focus, being in the right mental frame
of mind.
A psychologist could give us a few extra percentage points needed to get us over the line.
It may also help in getting over the munster hoodoo which has haunted us for years. Of course it may also work against weaker teams. Meaning not throwing away a 17 point lead.
Isn't a psychologist worth a try? It could work.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 06/09/2023 14:01:51    2503305

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Spot on Doyler. A psychologist Might be the missing link. A winning formula consists of management, coaching, commitment, belief, never give up attitude,focus focus focus, being in the right mental frame
of mind.
A psychologist could give us a few extra percentage points needed to get us over the line.
It may also help in getting over the munster hoodoo which has haunted us for years. Of course it may also work against weaker teams. Meaning not throwing away a 17 point lead.
Isn't a psychologist worth a try? It could work."
That's true.

What almost happened with antrim and did happen with westmeath could have been solved with a bit of mental discipline rather than lose focus and get carried away with ourselves which is precisely what happened.

We obviously need to continue to produce players and coach them on a specific style or plan, but a fundamental part of delivering on the plan is to remove the noise that causes distraction and makes any type of performer more prone to error.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3239 - 06/09/2023 14:54:39    2503318

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