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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To cragask1234:  "I think the days of trials are over viking and they hold little value. If you can't judge or rate a players ability in the middle of summer then I feel its very unfair to judge them on a wet soggy pitch when there half fit in the middle of January. There are players worth bringing in which include cathal Doyle,Thomas kinsella ,Jack redmond ,shamey o hagan (forward that can win he's own ball ), cian molly, daragh carley ,Mike Kelly, aj redmond, Kyle firman, diarmuid o leary, diarmuid Doyle, Corey Byrne , cian Byrne, oisin pepper, Ritchie lawlor,,conal clancy, Kyle scallan, eoin whelan. I've heard good things about Oisin Hayes of davidstown but haven't seen him hurl myself or even know what age he is. I feel Darren Byrne has missed the boat, 26 or 27 Is late in the game to go at intercounty .

Lads like Simon roche, daragh kehoe, conor foley should be around the panel also but there all under 20 again.

Get a mngt team sorted and get those lads up to speed physically and develop a cohesive functional game plan during the Walsh Cup,see where we go from there."
Will take years of work til alot of those lads are up to the peak physical condition of the top intercounty lads. Definitely agree that we need a management team that will come up with a cohesive functional game plan that can be modified in game, and also modified to suit the 15 on the pitch.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 03/08/2023 15:28:22    2498896

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Replying To tearintom:  "After Fannings reaction to losing his place id be leaving him where he is personally."
Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly.

wexfan09 (Wexford) - Posts: 32 - 03/08/2023 15:29:13    2498897

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Replying To wexfan09:  "Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly."
In what way?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1435 - 03/08/2023 15:31:03    2498899

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Id love to see stats on how much of an issue the freetaking is compared to other counties, say from midfield in. Chin seems to lose accuracy the further out he goes. I suspect the freetaking issue is a bit overplayed. I'm not gone on the technique of either Chin or ROC to be honest, under pressure that technique seems very shaky. Long distance, you could see how important Byrnes was in the first half of the All Ireland for Limerick. I've never been confident with likes of Paudie Foley or Fanning from way out."
I think we missed 4 frees against Dublin, and they missed one. We lost by 2 points. If we had beaten Dublin maybe we would've beaten Westmeath. Then we would've been in a Leinster final.....

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 03/08/2023 15:31:13    2498900

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Replying To wexfan09:  "Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly."
What actually happened?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 03/08/2023 15:38:01    2498901

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Agreed on Lawlor, I wasn't overly impressed with him. Granted was his first season and our defensive shape was a mess. Made a terrible error v Dublin that cost us a goal at a crucial time. Soft of the KK goals were soft enough too but I'm glossing over last season?

I liked the look of Mahon for the U20s, just looked a bit sharper on his feet. Not sure if Fanning has it in him to give it another go, difficult club season but hardly his fault."
Forget about fanning. Always a liability

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3263 - 03/08/2023 15:46:53    2498905

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In my opinion, Mark Fanning is still the best goalkeeper Wexford have bar none. He should be back in Wexford squad next year.
No offence but you can't concede 15 goals in 3 championship matches. Can't say I remember any memorable saves?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1267 - 03/08/2023 17:01:47    2498917

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Replying To wexfan09:  "Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly."
He was treated appallingly? That is a good one now. Was more than fair.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 03/08/2023 17:26:28    2498924

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Replying To wexfan09:  "Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly."
I heard. Was another reason I was glad to see the back of Egan. Treated Fanning horrendously.

Not convinced on Lawlor either, seems to concede a bagful of goals anytime he gets the nod for Wexford.

There has to be more than two goalkeepers in Wexford though?

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 842 - 03/08/2023 22:59:19    2498954

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Replying To Viking66:  "A good list there but some wouldn't commit last year or dropped out. Byrne is only 25 I think not 28. But in any case Tom Phelan has had a great year for Kilkenny after not really playing much before this and he is 28.
Eoin Whelan still has another year at u20 but is an excellent prospect I've seen him play 5 or 6 times this year and he hasn't had a bad game in any of them. Simon Roche is u20 also next year, but Conor Foley isn't I don't think. Think Kehoe is u20 again alright.
Haven't seen Hayes play either but why not look at him the grade of his club should be irrelevant. Pauric and Cristoir Reville are probably Kilmores best players and are only in their early 20s also."
Wouldn't look up my nose at any mid 20s lafs, as I said David Reidy perfect example, dropped off the Limerick panel at 24, works his way back into the squad starts his 1st final at 30.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 04/08/2023 01:05:24    2498956

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Replying To wexfan09:  "Does anyone actually know what went on behind closed doors with Fanning? I think unless you do, you'd be better off keeping opinions to yourselves on that one. He was treated appallingly."
I don't know what went on but looking at it from the outside was it not a case of Egan decided Fanning wasn't his no.1 Goalkeeper anymore.. I have huge time for Fanning but can a manager not choose one player over the other - esp when it is kind of a 50 /50 call - without it being deemed he was treated appallingly??
Or if theres more to it than than maybe enlighten me

TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 04/08/2023 07:45:22    2498962

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Replying To Past hurler:  "I heard. Was another reason I was glad to see the back of Egan. Treated Fanning horrendously.

Not convinced on Lawlor either, seems to concede a bagful of goals anytime he gets the nod for Wexford.

There has to be more than two goalkeepers in Wexford though?"
There are. Thats why I said the new management should be looking at them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 04/08/2023 10:38:26    2498973

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "In my opinion, Mark Fanning is still the best goalkeeper Wexford have bar none. He should be back in Wexford squad next year.
No offence but you can't concede 15 goals in 3 championship matches. Can't say I remember any memorable saves?"
Lawlor definitely made one good save against Antrim when they were coming back on us. But I'm not convinced at all with him, might improve with last year's experience behind him and a better backroom staff.

Fanning was at fault for a number of crucial goals conceded in championship games. He had a shocker really the first season under Egan so was always going to come under pressure last season for his spot.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 04/08/2023 10:44:00    2498977

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "In my opinion, Mark Fanning is still the best goalkeeper Wexford have bar none. He should be back in Wexford squad next year.
No offence but you can't concede 15 goals in 3 championship matches. Can't say I remember any memorable saves?"
Don't mean to be critical or subjective but fanning is probably the weakest keeper that's played Liam mc csrthy in the last decade despit his uncle Tom demseys boring and predictable attempts at bigging him up at every opportunity .Fanning has a long history of constant errors and poor puck outs and simply couldn't accept lawlor was the new number 1. Lawlor has a bigger frame, does the basics better and makes less mistakes,, him coinciding goals was a reflection of the defensive structure or lack of in front of him by previous mngt. Fanning a good servant but he has no future in a wex Jersey. Lawlor hasn't put a foot wrong since he broke into the town and I think we have plenty of other positions that need sorting as priority. We coincide too much too easily and don't score enough consistently at present to really trouble the top 5 or 6 . We have potential and a healthy number of talented players but can we develop them and introduce them into a functional game plan. Getting a mngr team together before the conclusion of our championship would be a help

cragask1234 (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 04/08/2023 10:55:52    2498981

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Lawlor definitely made one good save against Antrim when they were coming back on us. But I'm not convinced at all with him, might improve with last year's experience behind him and a better backroom staff.

Fanning was at fault for a number of crucial goals conceded in championship games. He had a shocker really the first season under Egan so was always going to come under pressure last season for his spot."
Actually taught Fanning improved in Davy's tenure but after the draw in Mullingar last year where we gave away 2 awful goals his confidence never seemed to recover. Lawlor did OK this year but wouldn't be fully sold yet.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 04/08/2023 11:18:26    2498990

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Replying To cragask1234:  "Don't mean to be critical or subjective but fanning is probably the weakest keeper that's played Liam mc csrthy in the last decade despit his uncle Tom demseys boring and predictable attempts at bigging him up at every opportunity .Fanning has a long history of constant errors and poor puck outs and simply couldn't accept lawlor was the new number 1. Lawlor has a bigger frame, does the basics better and makes less mistakes,, him coinciding goals was a reflection of the defensive structure or lack of in front of him by previous mngt. Fanning a good servant but he has no future in a wex Jersey. Lawlor hasn't put a foot wrong since he broke into the town and I think we have plenty of other positions that need sorting as priority. We coincide too much too easily and don't score enough consistently at present to really trouble the top 5 or 6 . We have potential and a healthy number of talented players but can we develop them and introduce them into a functional game plan. Getting a mngr team together before the conclusion of our championship would be a help"
Agree 100%

I'm grateful for his leinster final penalty, which makes up for the dozen he's missed.

He misses the long range frees more often than not, and is just too prone to errors if we have any ambition.

Lawlor was good against antrim and kilkenny.

He's got time on his side and can't really be blamed for some of the defensive horror shows we've seen this year

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3263 - 04/08/2023 12:12:42    2499001

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Replying To cragask1234:  "Don't mean to be critical or subjective but fanning is probably the weakest keeper that's played Liam mc csrthy in the last decade despit his uncle Tom demseys boring and predictable attempts at bigging him up at every opportunity .Fanning has a long history of constant errors and poor puck outs and simply couldn't accept lawlor was the new number 1. Lawlor has a bigger frame, does the basics better and makes less mistakes,, him coinciding goals was a reflection of the defensive structure or lack of in front of him by previous mngt. Fanning a good servant but he has no future in a wex Jersey. Lawlor hasn't put a foot wrong since he broke into the town and I think we have plenty of other positions that need sorting as priority. We coincide too much too easily and don't score enough consistently at present to really trouble the top 5 or 6 . We have potential and a healthy number of talented players but can we develop them and introduce them into a functional game plan. Getting a mngr team together before the conclusion of our championship would be a help"
Wouldnt like to see you being critical after that first sentence! Anyway the 2024 panel has lots of issues to address on the evidence of the last couple of seasons, goalkeeper being one.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 04/08/2023 12:28:11    2499007

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Actually taught Fanning improved in Davy's tenure but after the draw in Mullingar last year where we gave away 2 awful goals his confidence never seemed to recover. Lawlor did OK this year but wouldn't be fully sold yet."
And the mistake against KK where only for Matthew and Damien there would have been a match winning goal for KK. And the dropped ball against Clare. And the missed penalties against Galway and Dublin. Basically every game.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 04/08/2023 12:31:18    2499010

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And the mistake against KK where only for Matthew and Damien there would have been a match winning goal for KK. And the dropped ball against Clare. And the missed penalties against Galway and Dublin. Basically every game."
The mistakes against KK and Clare happened after the Mullingar game which is the exact point I'm making.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 04/08/2023 12:48:53    2499019

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Agree 100%

I'm grateful for his leinster final penalty, which makes up for the dozen he's missed.

He misses the long range frees more often than not, and is just too prone to errors if we have any ambition.

Lawlor was good against antrim and kilkenny.

He's got time on his side and can't really be blamed for some of the defensive horror shows we've seen this year"
Biggest worry I'd have about Lawlor is his short and medium puckouts. Fanning wasn't great at them either. With the height and size of our Intercounty squad, coupled with the way successful teams play these days mixing the puckouts up, I think this is more important than actual shot stopping. Against Clare in the League several of their goals resulted directly or indirectly from poor short and medium puckouts. Its a worry I'd have about Mahon also, having watched him play for club and county. He seems to take too long and often a wingback or midfielder who was open wasn't by the time he actually pucked the ball out. Lawlor was the same. Carty, Devitt and Donohue were often open during the Walsh Cup and early League games but Lawlor and Fanning ended up pucking it long down on top of lads who were never going to win a contested aerial ball.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14235 - 04/08/2023 12:56:56    2499021

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